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Donnie Cruz
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ConcernedMembersMadison
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Re: Former 'Worship Leader' Revisits (and Notices[?] a BIG Surprise!)

June 21 2016, 2:17 AM 

Ken,

What is the apostate Jeff Walling doing these days? Was he not with the Providence Road church for some years, a congregation once known for its strong alignment with the Restoration Movement? Now the congregation (http://www.prcoc.org/ ) has one of its site's pages proudly stating this -- thanks to Jeff Walling!!!

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Worship Services

We have two worship services on Sunday mornings:

Traditional Acapella - 8:30
Contemporary Instrumental - 11:00

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Ken, please inform us below. Thanks!

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Former 'Worship Leader' Revisits (and Notices[?] a BIG Surprise!)

June 21 2016, 2:51 AM 

Scripture,

During the upheaval in 2001, there was an attempt to keep our young. But it was all based on culture-driven changes lacking in/WITHOUT the effort to "maintain our historical identity." In effect we have lost many of our young; we have also lost our "historical identity."

Great point!!!

 
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Ken Sublett
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Jeff Walling

June 21 2016, 11:54 AM 

Mike Cope is now in charge of the Pepperdine Lectureships. He is also COHORTING (smile) to DEPROGRAM all of they young conservative preachers. Jeff Walling was also USED by the North Boulevard Church UNDER David Young who Cast Visions and asks old people to sell their valuables so they can begin PLANTING 60,000 DAUGHTER churches: there will even be a North Boulevard Church of Christ Tulsa branch. They sent people to India to learn how he can become the METROPOLITAN or better.

Mike has hired Jeff Walling to be one of his Main Man (?)

http://www.piney.com/Jeff.Walling.Youth.Leadership.Initiative.html

The Christian Church Denomination and the Christian Standard USES Jeff Walling and Rick Atchley to learn the SECRETS of TRANSISTIONING peaceable churches of Christ into instrumental. Jeff refuses to reveal all of his secrets but we have uncovered him.

http://www.piney.com/NACC.Transitioning.Jeff.Walling.to.Instrumental.html

http://www.piney.com/Jeff.Walling.and.The.Christian.Church.Today.html

Steve Flatt and Rubel Shelly began this when the Christian church let Woodmont use their building during his effort to collect three or four congregations before TRANSISTIONING them.

The NACC seems on its way to a SPLIT and I believe that the Apostate Churches of Christ and Apostate Christian Churches are getting the Bridal gowns in order. The Babylon Mother of Harlots uses "lusted after fruits" (same as in Amos 8) and in Revelation 18 they are ANY religious craftsman (parasites in the Greek language), singers, instrument players all called SORCERERS who will be CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

The Brides speak of the Hieros Gamos under BRIDE and BRIDEGROOM. As well the PIPING sound of the millstone marked the location of the local prostitute: these are the GRINDERS in Solomons parable.

I have more.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Former 'Worship Leader' Revisits (and Notices[?] a BIG Surprise!)

June 18 2016, 10:56 AM 

One of your elders told the Tennessean that they had 5,000 and only lost about 50. That was elder count. I remember when everyone including Steve Flat showed up for COWBOY DAY on their TV program and I knew that the grapes were ready for harvest--Rubel Shelly running made of Steve began the New Wineskins Magazine. The harvest brought by Jubilee (1989) was the OUTING of a plot which began in 1984. That may have been one of the last nails of the double CROSS.

 
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Scripture
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Re: Former 'Worship Leader' Revisits (and Notices[?] a BIG Surprise!)

June 21 2016, 7:29 PM 

It would be interesting to contrast the growth in attendance and decline in membership of the "Progressive Churches" vs the more "Traditional Churches."

Looking around the area, the first problem is too distinguish between the two. Who is Progressive? Who is Traditional? How would you define each term.

The clear break between Madison and the last two derivations (churches formed by those who left) might help us a little. It is not clear that the derivations are doing better, other than taking a few members with them. Time will tell.

Can we classify the Madison church at Gallatin Road and Old Hickory Boulevard as "Traditional"? There are many hybrid churches.

Two churches that can be clearly classified are nearby. In this case the Progressive Church has become less so. The Traditional Church is holding its on in spite of not hiring another suspect preacher. Some changes are loosening even this church. The Progressive Church here has housed some previous members of the Christian church, and there is some peace, but new elders led to the departure of a progressive preacher who was gifted at preaching.

So looking at these two churches, the Traditional church has changed in small ways, whereas the Progressive church has retrenched significantly. The traditional church has descended from 900 attendees to 500+. The Progressive church has slid from 400 to about 180.

I can't see that Progressive churches are getting significant traction for them to make the case that they are attracting new members.

Perhaps some of you from the derivative churches can help us get information on these topics.




 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Former 'Worship Leader' Revisits (and Notices[?] a BIG Surprise!)

June 21 2016, 10:12 PM 

You can fool most of the people most of the time and that is enough to feed you out of the widow's purse long enough to "infiltrate and divert her church." At Madison they boasted about nursing the weeping widows whose whole life had revolved around that church were told that they had to get over it "because it is OUR time."

The older generation was sacrificial and build the house that Acappella tore down with supervision from a few elders. However, the young people mature enough to grasp what terrorist means. Furthermore, they don't have the money and they wouldn't put it in the plate if they had it since they can listen to better music 24/7.

We just have to leave a few memorial stones in the middle of the river so that their names are recorded for history. We have convinced a lot of people that the "tithes" and "laying by in store" is a MADE-OFF Ponzi scheme-scam contradicts Paul who said that it was NOT A COMMANDMENT even for the starving. The only way to stop them is to cut up their credit cards.

From the wilderness onward free will giving with no extortion-pleading has always provided for real needs.

 
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Donnie
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Re: Former 'Worship Leader' Revisits (and Notices[?] a BIG Surprise!)

February 19 2017, 6:15 PM 

Ken,

Readers should give you credit for one of your many talents -- your effective communication skills in delivering messages, such as the one above, with precision and simplicity and directness. I think it's quite impacting to those with short attention span. happy.gif

 
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Donnie
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Re: Former 'Worship Leader' Revisits (and Notices[?] a BIG Surprise!)

February 19 2017, 6:19 PM 

To Scripture or anyone?

Did I hear it correctly when Russ Corley gave praise to "worship leader" Anthony Lancaster for his role in the congregants' responsibility ["as commanded"] to: (1) to hear God's message; (2) to "commune" [via the Lord's Supper] with each other; (3) to "sing praises"? Russ, I think, mentioned something about the new songs, not so much with the beat, but the content? Yeah, right. The "beat" is supposedly what the young people love. But where are they now? Should we say that time will tell as to the impact of singing the contemporary "Christian Rock" music 95% of the "musical worship" time? There was one "old hymn" sung today -- and there was hardly any singing except by the leader and his elite singers. That's sad in that this is only one generation later than when the upheaval occurred.

Did I hear it correctly when one of the elders referred to Russ Corley as the church's "pastor" [of course, not in the sense of being an "elder"]? If I was only hearing voices, ignore this second question.

 
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Scripture
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Re: Former 'Worship Leader' Revisits (and Notices[?] a BIG Surprise!)

February 20 2017, 9:54 AM 

Of course, there are two worship gathering, one traditional which has more of the old songs and beat, and the second worship that of contemporary emphasis. Some appear to consider it a mark of fidelity as to which one you attend. Corley likes to talk about relationship so I would assume that he's more interested in the substance of the songs rather than the beat. The song service is tending toward the performance baseline again, so I guess that there will have to be another split before it goes back to the traditional baseline. Look's like they could eventually learn a lesson. After all, how many churches can have numerous splits and still have hundreds of people. Counting soft splits and hard splits I would count three splits: The soft split were those who left during the Lancaster years, the second split involved those at Northfield, which the elders kept in the church as long as they could, the third split which involves those who like to drink coffee (he, haw, LOL) or the CoffeeHouse split, and now, oh, who knows maybe they could afford another one! This would be the light split [swirling lights of Lancaster], the basement split [from the "radical" class in the basement], and the Coffee split [those who are bring people into the church by drinking coffee with them].

Mr. Corley, though, would like to keep his 900 people so he's interested in the status quo. There appears to be no chance of getting friction traction (i.e. good friction), so a slow downward drift appears to be in the horizon. There are some sycophants who like to follow the leader, so some individuals really appear to need a "pastor", not the least one of the elders, who refers to Mr. Corley as "my pastor."

The church on the "connah" [corner of Old Hickory Blvd and Gallatin Pike] has always come to the rescue for the needy and etc. which people remember. So we do give tribute to the many great and complimentary actions of the Madison Church of Christ through the years.

This is true for Madison, as for all the Churches of Christ, they would do well to forget the Mac Lucados, Rick Atchleys, Pat Boones, Rubel Shelley's and center on the Biblical text itself, and make the worship of Christ their own property. This would be expression of what they have learned from their own centers of life and teaching, and not some import from hundreds and even thousands of miles away.

One of the unfortunate results from the Coffee split is that many of the young people left at that time, and the remaining congregation is greying rapidly. The future church for that matter everywhere is sitting on a foundation of youth, so regardless of how traditional the older set stays, the church of the future will ultimately depend on that younger generation.

 
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Ken Sublett
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1 Corinthians 14 SPEAK outlaws MUSIC

July 30 2016, 7:36 PM 

Over and over and over Scripture CONTRAST Tongues-Instruments-Sound with SPEAK. It also contrasts self-authored songs and sermons which Paul outlaws for men and women with the Word, Logos or the Regulative Principle.

The Word of Logos is used throughout the Greek literature as EXCLUDING rhetoric, singing, playing instruments, acting, personal opinions oracting.

Scripture also is extreme in denouncing SELL anything in the name of God.

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.55.Word.Spirit.html

It is also extreme in showing that the way to RESTORE THE OLD PATHS is NOT to seek your own pleasure OR speak your own words.

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.58.html

Church is a School of Christ commanded to Teach what Jesus commanded to be taught and observed. Peter affirms that includes the Prophets who spoke by the Spirit OF Christ and the Prophecies concerning Messiah. He outlaws further expounding which would repudiate the Holy Spirit OF Christ who defined the kingdom ruled over and taught only by Jesus the Christ in His role as HOLY SPIRIT.
Those who do NOT teach that recorded and preserved memory are marked as false teachers.

The false teachers do not think that they are false teachers because "A" spirit speaks to them or gives them 20/20 VISIONS telling them that we have suddenly slipped into the Post-Biblical and Post-Christian dispensation. They are theologians which word is used specificially of the followers of Apollon-Abbadon who is the leader of the Locusts or Muses.

They extort when Christ commanded US not to pay THEM for the free Water of the Word which is declared COMPETENT. The psychological violence of claiming that they are ANOINTED as--says Shelly--the superior to Moses or Jesus for OUR time. Most of the people will believe them most of the time because all but a LITTLE (mikros) FLOCK are OF the World with a World view. The kosmos is the ecumenical or the kingdom of the Devil.

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Dave
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They Verse Us

February 19 2017, 7:14 PM 

Keep reviving them. The enemy becomes the enemy because they have a plan, just as the righteous do.

 
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Donnie
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Re: They Verse Us

February 19 2017, 8:26 PM 

Be specific and let's discuss.

 
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Scripture
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Re: They Verse Us

February 20 2017, 10:09 AM 

The lesson we might learn from Madison is that Christianity must be internal, rather than external. Scriptures must be ingested and digested to provide the personal barometer for Christian living. It must not depend on the next speaker or celebrity who might appear at the front of the congregation, or the next sensational figure from the Northwest or Southwest [Rick Warren]. "Vatican East" [Nashville] must show its independence of "Vatican West" [Abilene]. Vatican East has an old and glorious past which if we could retrieve just an ounce of that we would be much better off.

The church is vulnerable to Internet immersion. Ideas stream in quickly, and ideas are no longer realized from the local pulpit or the nearest Christian College or brotherhood paper, but from afar. This might be a good time for individuals to pull away from this vortex to develop themselves with a more intimate relationship with the Written Word. Then truly, indeed, can the Holy Spirit dwell within us. This is done by faith coupled with love.


 
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Scripture
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Screens

February 20 2017, 10:19 AM 

Screens free the change agents from the bondage of the past, as they see it.

They can include some idolatry, some superficial songs, exclusion of ancient hymns, even instrumental music without much opposition, and make it where people don't need their song books, or even their Bibles.

After all, "It's really true! I saw it on the screen!"

If instrumental music was an agent foreign to the worship, the screen has it outclassed 100 miles.

How about abolishing all screens from the Churches of Christ. Even the noninstitutional churches are proud of their screens.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Screens

February 20 2017, 11:55 AM 

They are not ignorant but according to Scripture PURPOSE DRIVEN.

"Body Worship" goes along with Paul's warning against CORRUPTING THE WORD: That means selling learning (mostly yours) at retail and also means commerce or adultery.

Worship IN the spirit as PLACE opposed to houses or IN THE FLESH is pretty well cornered by the concept of GIVING ATTENDANCE to the WORD as the way to GIVE ATTENDANCE to God Who delivered the Word or LOGOS as the unique resource.

The BIG SCREEN ia their IDOL because it takes your attention off Jesus and onto trying to read the folly projected from the spirit of the CORRUPTER of the word. It is impossible to give your reverent attention to God who lives.

Pi.N.7.81 Pindar, Nemean Odes 7

The rich man and the poor man alike travel together to the boundary of death. [
20] And I expect that the story of Odysseus came to exceed his experiences, through the sweet songs of Homer
..........[22] since there is a certain solemnity in his lies and winged artfulness,
..........and poetic skill deceives, seducing us with stories,
..........and the heart of the mass of men is blind.
For if [25] they had been able to see the truth, then mighty Aias, in anger over the arms,
..........would never have planted in his chest the smooth sword—
..........Aias, who was the most powerful in battle,


Acts 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham,
..........and whosoever among you FEARETH God,
..........to you is the WORD of this salvation sent.

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers,
..........because they knew him not,
..........nor yet the VOICE of the prophets which are READ every sabbath day,
..........they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
Acts 13:28 And though they found no cause of death in him,
..........yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.
Acts 13:29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him,
..........they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
Acts 13:30 But God raised him from the dead:

Rom. 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom. 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom. 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.


 
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Dave
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SCREAM about the SCREEN

February 20 2017, 12:29 PM 

A SCREEN????
Scripture, you jest, right? You use the 'SCREEN' to project sermons, right? SCRIPTURE, whether it is on a 'SCREEN' or spoken by the one giving the message (without a SCREEN), it is still to be checked for validity by YOU and ME with our bibles. This SCREEN, whether it is used for sermons or worship, is a GOOD tool used in the labor of our Lord.

...and now the screen is evil.

WOW.....it is about the best superlative I can use for now

WOW

 
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Donnie
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Re: SCREAM about the SCREEN

February 20 2017, 2:03 PM 

Dave,

The screen or the projector or "Power Point," etc., is not evil. Neither is a musical instrument (like the sackbut [Daniel 3]).

It's the use, misuse or abuse of such devices.

Dave, you can be an advocate for the King James Version, i.e., to display biblical text from the KJV, rather than from the New International [Per]version.

Do you now use the screen in your congregation as a means to promote Women Leadership (in teaching or preaching God's message) before the congregation of Christian men [including elders and deacons] and women? Pretty slick, isn't it?

Do you now use the screen in your congregation to PLAY a video of musical instruments accompanying a contemporary Christian Rock song. Excuse: just playing it in lieu of congregational singing without actually participating in it. Slick, isn't it?

Do you now use the screen in your congregation to allow non-church-of-Christ speakers to promote their non-scriptural messages and culture-driven agenda about God's truth, Christ and the church that Christ established?

Maybe your congregation is not there yet. But beware!!!

 
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Re: SCREAM about the SCREEN

February 20 2017, 2:11 PM 

No jesting, I am very concerned about the effect of this technology on the worship.

 
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Dave
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Thank You

February 20 2017, 2:14 PM 

Donnie,
Thanks for warning me, and thanks for showing not just me, but everyone.

You have continually warned me, and all others that come to this site, that you are in a parley with God. You have shown, time and time again, that you are against God and His Will.

 
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Donnie
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Re: SCREAM about the SCREEN

February 20 2017, 2:23 PM 

If someone can help me find the comparison and contrast of the lyrics between:

(1) "O Worship the King"

------------ and ---------

(2) "O Worship the Screen"


There's a thread posted in the past concerning this. No. (2) was written by an independent source. (Sorry, just too busy right now to have all my CM materials together on the new computer that Ken S. provided me.)

 
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