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How to Log in and Post and Avoid Anonymity

June 11 2012 at 1:49 PM
Donnie Cruz  (Login Donnie.Cruz)
ConcernedMembersMadison
from IP address 99.177.249.211

There's a post regarding "Madison's new (instrumental) 'vision'" pending approval. If approved now, it will show "Anonymous" as the author. (As you know, it is always awkward to be communicating with an "unknown" writer.)

Would you please resubmit your message with your "handle" or "pen name" or "stage name"? Or, you may respond below with the requested information, and we'll be glad to append your authorship to a very significant post.

Thanks!

ConcernedMembers


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"MCC-Torn" has responded since; and the thread "Madison's New (Instrumental 'Vision'" now reflects its authorship. Using "MCC-Torn" clearly indicates how the author truly feels about how far the Madison congregation has gone, ever so subtly and gradually, from "minor" changes to the ultimate -- a departure from the New Testament teachings of Christ and the apostles to being "carried about with divers and strange doctrines" (Heb. 13:9) and "Navigating the Winds of Change" (by change agent Lynn Anderson).


    
This message has been edited by Donnie.Cruz from IP address 99.177.249.211 on Jul 4, 2012 5:00 PM


 
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Anonymous
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Re: Madison's New (Instrumental) "Vision"

June 12 2012, 4:58 PM 

Stage name is ok? Like that of "B?"

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Madison's New (Instrumental) "Vision"

June 12 2012, 6:10 PM 

Hello, Annie Mouse!!! happy.gif

Your name is preferred -- the poster is bold and unashamed and not thin-skinned.

As you have found out, if the NAME is left blank, the forum editor automatically substitutes the word "Anonymous." But "Hello, Anonymous" is not a good way to address the poster, is it? It is so tempting to address "Anonymous" as "Annie Mouse." happy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gif

But if privacy is being protected for a reason, another option would be the LOGIN UserID -- one that the same poster uses consistently when posting other messages. I would limit it to 15 characters -- the reason being that the exact 50-character "handle" would display in the "Author" column. And that would not be scrolling-friendly. I would not advise anyone this authorship: "Member of the St. Francis National Evangelical Spiritual Baptist Faith Church."

Examples of IDs [other than real names] of posters whom we can address and with whom we can communicate:

-- MCC Member
-- Former MCC Member
-- MCC Informer
-- MCC Reporter
-- John's Info
-- Shocker
-- MCC Change
-- Pro-MCC Change
-- Anti-MCC Change
-- MCC Historian
-- etc., etc., etc.

At some point, this thread will be removed once the post has been approved. Or, this thread may be renamed to reflect its purpose, i.e., to encourage authorship of approved messages.

 
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Anonymous
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Re: Madison's New (Instrumental) "Vision"

June 12 2012, 10:29 PM 

annie mouse....I like that....got any more?

 
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B
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Re: Madison's New (Instrumental) "Vision"

June 12 2012, 11:01 PM 

Try "A Ninny Moose."

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Madison's New (Instrumental) "Vision"

June 12 2012, 11:05 PM 

I/we do too.

Problem is: We all have difficulty differentiating the Annie Mouses -- much worse than all the John Smiths and the John Does combined.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Madison's New (Instrumental) "Vision"

June 13 2012, 4:59 AM 

The new thread "Madison's New (Instrumental) 'Vision'" that is pending approval is "work in progress." It is major, a significant development!!! So, please be patient.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Madison's New (Instrumental) "Vision"

June 13 2012, 5:38 AM 

The author's message comes from the Nashville/Madison address or location.

 
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Racnor
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Why Is This Site So Slow?

June 13 2012, 4:28 PM 

[linked image]

Is it a Network54 issue or just me? happy.gif

 
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MCC-Torn
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Re: How to Log in and Post and Avoid Anonymity

June 28 2012, 8:17 AM 

I apologize for just now replying to this request. I went ahead and made a login like Donnie suggested but probably won't use it much. It is MCC-Torn because I am a Madison member of many years who is torn. I love our history and solid foundation but am sad for the direction we are heading. I have read this site for years without posting anything. But when a huge change like the new Madison vision had been out for a month with no discussion here, I decided to mention it. I thought maybe we were too far gone now for anyone to still care.

 
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Ken Sublet
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Re: How to Log in and Post and Avoid Anonymity

June 28 2012, 12:01 PM 

What date did they discuss the vision?

 
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Ken Sublet
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Re: How to Log in and Post and Avoid Anonymity

June 28 2012, 12:47 PM 

I found it and listened: I was really amazed when they claimed that the elders "asked God to CAST A VISION for this church."

 
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B
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Seeking a "Vision"

June 28 2012, 1:09 PM 

And God supposedly "responded" by telling the elders to GO BEYOND what He commanded in the New Testament about vocal music and ADD instruments.

To "ask God to cast a vision for [a] church" is about like the scribes and Pharisees who demanded a sign from Jesus. Asking a "vision" from God is the same as asking a "sign" from God.

"Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas" (Matt. 12:38-39 KJV).

A church that still needs or wants a "vision/sign" from God doesn't seem to be grounded in the New Testament Scriptures. Such a church apparently wants something worldly and exciting--like instruments--that will please the masses, keep them entertained, and keep them coming back. If the New Testament Scriptures can't keep the congregants spellbound, it's folly to believe that adding unscriptural instruments will enhance their "faith."



 
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Ken Sublet
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Re: Seeking a "Vision"

June 28 2012, 2:35 PM 

Good comments: I have just stolen it and added it to my first review after listening to their VISION (Hmm: the Egyptians spoke of a visual and oral orgasm"--just like the church lady at vineyard and the New Wineskins.

I will start a thread to get some attention: here is a first look at one of their proof-texts which pokes them in all the bad places.

http://www.piney.com/Buck.Dozier.Instrumental.Music.Madison.Church.Of.Christ.html



 
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Scripture
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Popery

June 28 2012, 6:50 PM 

Elders should have the integrity to admit that they are fallible, rather than claim that their decisions are endorsed in that they suggest that God has given HIS stamp of approval. It's the idea that they prayed and this is clearly what God has told them to do. What an unwarranted assumption! A Godly elder will not suffer a meltdown when he addresses an audience and becomes so supercharged that he brings up the idea that the church members are child-like. This reminds us of tyranny. It is not the kind of church endorsed by D. Lipscomb and the late 19th century leaders who clearly taught that elders (shepherds) were leaders and not kings. That behavior is more likely popery or divine right than about the service-leader about whom Jesus referred.

To disenfranchise the current members of the church, and all those through the years that have contributed to the health and spirituality of the church, is something that no qualified leader would do.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Popery

June 28 2012, 9:19 PM 

Madison's drive into apostasy was momentarily slowed about 12 years ago (a common incubation period) when Tom Haddon let it slip that the para-church group with their own agenda really planned to turn THEIR church into a theater for holy entertainment. The diversion was something like this: "we gonna let them think that they are on a train to Louisville but we gonna switch their car and take them to Huntsville." Why? cause that's what we gonna do. There is no way to redeem such treachery.

Tom Haddon made that boast in the "church in exile" class and someone got a copy of the tape before the others could be destroyed. Concerned members was organized to let members have a voice when the elders (aka Buck Dozier) proposed a covenant where no one would question an elders unless it was a "salvation issue."

The elders claimed before God and the watching world that they had about 5,000 members (300 in jail) and only 50 had left. In fact, their devious plans had them left with about 3300 (300 in jail). After the Musical Worship Team, that dropped as I remember to about 1300 (300 still in jail) and it has never recovered.

Phil Barnes claims that he preaches to 2000 but somehow I doubt. Phil, too, believes that whatever comes into their mind is "The Holy Spirit" speaking to them and telling them to betray their trust. I doubt that history can present a more treacherous and discording event (considering the population).

It took Rick Atchley--one of the original band of discorders--about 12 years of careful groundwork before "a" spirit stopped him in the middle of a sermon and told him it was about time. Their claim of 6400 had dwindled down to about 4500 after the firing of the deacons and hiring ministers--male and female deaconesses. After instruments on Sunday that drastically dropped to about 3,500 members. That has been the pattern and if they needed instruments to GROW they could have doubled by NOT falling into apostasy.

Rick promised that instruments would never be added to the Sunday services but when that spirit spoke to him he responded to his charge of perfidity by claiming "that was then but this is now."

Madison's incubation has probably driven away most of the OWNERS and godly elders and by their pseudo-instrumental "worship team" has finally about warmed up the frogs but not just yet. Slowly, as Jubilee [a Madison co-apostasy) planned to "ignore the older generation and focus on the youth" letting the youth is noteworthy. That treachery would be more redeemable but the people with a NEW VISION have lied about each and every "proof text" hand fed to them by the NACC.

Is that wicked? Certainly, but when people are sent strong delusions their lying wonders are specificially a theatrical religious service. However, being delusional they cannot tell the difference. They will not repent: they cannot repent. There are lots of examples to prove that. The musical idolatry at Mount Sinai was not redeemable and God promised to destroy the guilty and the rest of the nation would be sent into Babylon.

 
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Popery and Domineering Behavior

June 29 2012, 12:54 AM 

1 Peter 5:1-5 examines the scriptural relationship between the "flock of God" and those who "exercise oversight", who are called "elders" and also "shepherds." Elders should be eager and willing to "shepherd" not for raw duty or for monetary gain, nor are they to domineering. Leadership is to be achieved primarily through "example", and this is the soft leadership of leading the way not through regal and compulsive power. Should this perfect leadership be achieved, then "when the chief Shepherd appears, [Christians] will receive the unfading crown of glory." Futhermore, younger are to respect the older, all should have humility toward one another, because "GOD OPPOSES THE PROUD BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE." We are to humble ourselves under the mighty hand of God, who is the real power and authority.

A proper examination of leadership of the Shepherd is a great need in today's church. The shepherd precedes the flock and does not drive them from behind. Coercion is much more unpredictable than example. Honey draws more flies than vinegar. The elders are not our Board of Directors but those with insight about the teachings of Jesus Christ. With all respect, if the pulpit speaker on Sunday morning does not have a vision for the church but simply adopts the directives of the Board, it is a sign of some lack.

Disenfranchisement of church members is a sure way to get a dwindling congregation. Those with experience in church growth know that when church members are "empowered" with duties and obligations, there is likely to be church growth. But if the members feel that they are just the objects of decisions made in a closet, they will have little motivation. Especially, in regard to children, if the mothers feel that their children are the objects of propaganda from the highest levels of the church, there cannot be any spiritual growth.

Misanalysis of the causes of church decline can be fatal to the church. Remedies can turn into disasters. Situations where "shepherds" seem to be fleeing from church members is not a situation that is conducive to productive dialog. When elders feel that they need to flee from the church members, it is time for them to resign. Good churches set up committees to gather consensus, so organization is a great need. Every church member should be honored and listened to.

 
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Re: Popery and Domineering Behavior

June 29 2012, 10:18 AM 

"Good churches set up committees to gather consensus, so organization is a great need."

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Is that Biblical?

 
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Consensus

June 29 2012, 9:32 PM 

Yes, consensus is a great need. The Bible calls it "unity."

 
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Anonymous
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Re: Consensus

June 29 2012, 9:59 PM 

And Jesus made unity depend absolutely upon His Word.

Jesus defined the Father as like the Thought, the breath was the spirit and the Son articulated the Word. Our lips--double-edged-swords--do not (among sane people) ever articulate something contrary to their mind or spirit.

Jesus denied that He spoke on His own and also denied that the Spirit would speak on its own. The Spirit would take the Son's Words and men like Peter "left us a memory" so we would not fall into being a false teacher.

The Unity then which existed between Father and Son is that the Son repeated only what He heard. The unity of church members can only happen when we have a concensus that we will follow the direct command and "use one mind and one mouth to speak that which is written for our learning." Now, that seems pretty easy to understand.

And why would anyone who grasps that God is God and they are not even have a tiny urge to go beyond that which is written.

People who think that they have anything to add to the Word of God simply cannot believe that God is Who He suggests that He is: the eternal Spirit or Mind of the whole universe Who is near us and does not need anyone to CALL HIM into His Temple (us).

The instrumental disunity always comes from one or two dominant "pastors" who has probably hand picked a friendly set of new elders and they are so awe struck that they do not have the APTness or courage to question the dominant leader.

 
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