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Re: Salvation Issue

August 28 2012, 4:55 PM 

To the change agents, "God didn't say not to" is the same as "That is not a salvation issue."

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Job Agrees

August 28 2012, 5:34 PM 

Job may be the oldest record in the Bible: it certainly agrees with the views expressed on clay tablets maybe 2,000 years old when Moses issued the same warning to those SENTENCED into "Babylonianism." The Viper Race certainly knows what they are doing so they are without repentance.

Mark me, and be astonished, and lay your hand upon your mouth Job 21:5 .

Even when I remember I am afraid, and trembling taketh hold on my flesh. Job 21:6

Wherefore do the wicked live, become old, yea, are mighty in power? Job 21:7
Their seed is established in their sight with them, and their offspring before their eyes. Job 21:8
Their houses are safe from fear, neither is the rod of God upon them. Job 21:9
Their bull gendereth, and faileth not; their cow calveth, and casteth not her calf. Job 21:10
They send forth their little ones like a flock, and their children dance. Job 21:11
They take the timbrel and harp, and rejoice at the sound of the organ. Job 21:12
They spend their days in wealth, and in a moment go down to the grave. Job 21:13


Therefore they say unto God, Depart from us; for we desire not the knowledge of thy ways. Job 21:14

What is the Almighty, that we should serve him? and what profit should we have, if we pray unto him? Job 21:15

Job 21:16 Lo, their good is not in their hand: the counsel of the wicked is far from me.
Job 21:17 How oft is the candle of the wicked put out! and how oft cometh their destruction upon them! God distributeth sorrows in his anger.

The Grace-Centered speak gibberish because they PRAY for a baptism of WIND and FIRE.

Job 21:18 They are as stubble before the wind (SPIRIT?), and as chaff that the storm carrieth away.

Job 21:21 For what pleasure hath he in his house after him, when the number of his months is cut off in the midst?
Job 21:22 Shall any teach God knowledge? seeing he judgeth those that are high.

THAT MEANS TO GOD: "SHUT YOUR FACE." That is the same message Jesus warned about the Scribes (song and sermon writers) and hypocrites (speakers, singers and instrument players)." Most recorded history notes that great fiddlers and other performers have to "sell their souls" since history notes that "there is no exception to the fact that Devils are the fathers or Religious music." Cain and Able are no exception to the RULE.

However, they may actually believe their own lies. God doesn't tarry with people who TAMPER.

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Re: Not a Moron; Not a Mormon

August 28 2012, 4:31 PM 

And are about 300 of them still in jail?

Does the MOTHER church also count the numbers from the DAUGHTER campus?

I think they are in a spiral: the rich heir goes to Vegas and immediately looses HALF of what others earned. In desperation, he gambles the OTHER HALF thinking that surely if I sell my soul I can rescue myself.

When you SQUANDER what other people built that is called STEALING and when you LIE about all of the NEW SQUANDERING TRICKS that makes you Chaff.

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The Mother Church and the Daughter Campus

August 29 2012, 4:37 AM 

Here's a sample format of/in the:


WORSHIP GUIDE Madison Church
                                                                        of CHRIST

RECORDS August 5, 2012:
Regular offerings, all campuses = $_______
Sunday School = $_____
Attendance = 1,574
Weekly regular offering budget = $_________
Weekly Sunday School budget = $________

Not sure if "all campuses" applies only to the "regular offerings." Not sure if the attendance monitors account for the "300 in jail."

The name "of Christ" may be ... disappearing?

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Ken Sublettt
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No, dumb turkey: Just DON'T teach the kiddies to handle rattlesnakes

August 28 2012, 4:26 PM 

What he is trying to do is to go beyond just the mere restoration of the pattern on the New Testament church with argument from silence. Silence is a good start, but in itself is not sufficient to prove a practice is not authorized.

He is saying that objections to ecclesiastical change are rooted in the "types" of Mosaic writings that need not be repeated in the future.

First, the change agents more likely to be musicians, actors and merchants, do not GRASP that the FALL in the garden of Eden was caused by the serpent. Scripture does not know that Eve was not WHOLLY SEDUCED as a bride is seduced just before her husband:

2Corinthians 11:1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
2Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

1) snake, serpent 2) with the ancients, the serpent was an emblem of cunning and wisdom. The serpent who deceived Eve was regarded by the Jews as the devil. In the book of Revelation, the serpent is Ophis. Have you noticed the word sOPHISts?

H5175 nâchâsh naw-khawsh' From H5172 ; a snake (from its hiss):serpent.
H5172 nâchash naw-khash' A primitive root; properly to hiss, that is, whisper a (magic) spell; generally to prognosticate: X certainly, divine, enchanter, (use) X enchantment, learn by experience, X indeed, diligently observe.
H5174 nechâsh nekh-awsh' (Chaldee); corresponding to H5154 ; copper:brass
H5154 nechûshâh nechûshâh nekh-oo-shaw', nekh-oo-shaw' Feminine of H5153 ; copper:brass, steel. Compare H5176
H5153 nâchûsh naw-khoosh' Apparently passive participle of H5172 (perhaps in the sense of ringing, that is, bell metal; or from the red color of the throat of a serpent ( H5175 , as denominative) when hissing); coppery, that is, (figuratively) hard:of brass.
H5155 nechylâh nekh-ee-law' Probably denominative from H2485 ; a flute:[plural] Nehiloth.

This reptile, though the attribute of many of the Hindû deities, both benevolent and malignant, belonged more properly to the EVIL SPIRIT, of whom it is a sacred and terrific emblem. The king of the evil dæmons is called, in Hindû mythology, "the king of the serpents." His name is NAGA, and he is the prince of the Nagas, or Naigs. "In which Sanscrit appellation," observes Maurice, "we plainly trace the Hebrew nachash, which is the very word for the particular serpentine tempter, and, in general, for all serpents throughout the Old Testament . The worship of the Serpent, John Deane

The Spirit of Christ called Lucifer who was CAST AS PROFANE (that praise word: halal, chalal) came into the Garden of Eden with wind, string and percussion instruments. Because Eve was WHOLLY SEDUCED under the influence of a MUSICAL ENCHANTER(ESS), BIBLE LITERATE 101AAA would understand that this was WRITTEN FOR OUR EXAMPLE OF LEARNING and would not lie to people like Satan did to Eve and caused the curse upon the whole world.

Sometimes, we adults learn lessons and do not TRY to walk through fire or tempt others to do it because NOT walking through fire is just our TRADITION. Paul said in effect PEOPLE LOVE TO BE FOOLED.

Jesus called the PHARISEES "A Race of Vipers." They had lost their right to the gospel by WRITING their own Scripture and SELLING it to eat up the widow's homes or living. Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES. Christ in Ezekiel called the hypocrites entertainment Preachers, singers and instrument players. These VIPERS John called SORCERERS because they SEDUCED the world as speakers, singers and instrument players: He said that the DOGS (Old style praise howlers) and Sorcerers would be CAST ALIVE into the lake of fire.

Do NOT be a fool and try to TRIP UP the younger generation and thou shalt NOT be case alive into hell as God BEATS you with the sound of wind, string and percussion instruments.

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Re: No, dumb turkey: Just DON'T teach the kiddies to handle rattlesnakes

September 1 2012, 2:59 PM 

There's a church song entitled: "How Long Has It Been Since You Talked with the Lord."

There is a question: "How Much Longer Will It Be When Madison ..."?

Well, the "Praise Team" factor has now invaded the "traditional" group -- one of the two divisions in the church.

The youth groups have now been introduced (slowly but surely) the instrumental music feature.

Perhaps, "long before" instrumental music is flavored by the "traditional" group, this stage of progress must first be accomplished in the contemporary division:

(1) The "Praise Team" [CHOIR] may be on stage facing the congregants ...

(2) ... while someone plays the piano or the leadership employs an outside performer such as the following [a guest at an Oak Hills "community" gathering], an "American Roman Catholic singer-songwriter-guitarist who is founder of a monastic community":

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Did they beat the flesh off Jesus with FLUTES?

August 29 2012, 1:38 PM 

Psalm 41 prophesied that Judas would try to TRIUMPH OVER JesuS. It was only for a moment until he did the right thing and hung himself AFTER Satan entered into him.

Augustine etal agreed

Isn't it WONDERFUL that people MOCK that they cannot read black text on brown paper when THAT is what PAUL promised for those who refuse to be baptized: what shall we say of those who make a business out of denying the Word and claiming that THEY hear the voice when Jesus said that it was a lie.

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