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Madison in prophecy and fulfilment Part THREE

August 21 2012 at 1:51 PM
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Josephus confirms Jude and the Apocalyptic Literature of the Jews:

Of those children by Ada, one was Jabal: he erected tents, and loved the life of a shepherd. But Jubal, who was born of the same mother with him, exercised himself in music; 1 and invented the psaltery and the harp. But Tubal, one of his children by the other wife, exceeded all men in strength, and was very expert and famous in martial performances. He procured what tended to the pleasures of the body by that method; and first of all invented the art of making brass. [Brass defined as the Serpent and magical wind instruments]Lamech was also the father of a daughter, whose name was Naamah. And because he was so skillful in matters of divine revelation, that he knew he was to be punished for Cain's murder of his brother, he made that known to his wives. Nay, even while Adam was alive, it came to pass that the posterity of Cain became exceeding wicked, every one successively dying, one after another, more wicked than the former. They were intolerable in war, and vehement in robberies; and if any one were slow to murder people, yet was he bold in his profligate behavior, in acting unjustly, and doing injuries for gain.

1 From this Jubal, not improbably, came Jobel, the trumpet of jobel or jubilee; that large and loud musical instrument, used in proclaiming the liberty at the year of jubilee.

Schaff wrote:

The Cainites boasted of the descent from Cain the fratricide, and made him their leader. They regarded the God of the Jews and Creator of the world as a positively evil being, whom to resist is virtue. Hence they turned the history of salvation upside down, and honored all the infamous characters of the Old and New Testaments from Cain to Judas as spiritual men and martyrs to truth.

No wonder that such blasphemous travesty of the Bible history, and such predilection for the serpent and his seed was connected with the most unbridled antinomianism, which changed vice into virtue. They thought it a necessary part of "perfect knowledge" to have a complete experience of all sins, including even unnamable vices.

Some have identified the Ophites with the false teachers denounced in the Epistle of Jude as filthy dreamers, who "defile the flesh, and set at naught dominion, and rail at dignities," who "went in the way of Cain, and ran riotously in the error of Balaam for hire, and perished in the gainsaying of Korah," as "wandering stars, for whom the blackness of darkness has been reserved forever." The resemblance is certainly very striking, and those heretics may have been the forerunners of the Ophites of the second century.

Not as Cain, who was OF that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brothers righteous. 1Jn.3:12

Cain: H7013 qayin kah'-yin From H6969 in the original sense of fixity; a lance (as striking fast): spear.

H6969 qun koon A primitive root; to strike a musical note, that is, chant or wail (at a funeral): lament, mourning woman.

Cain is said to have HANDLED musical instruments:

Gen 4:21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.

H8610 taphas taw-fas' A primitive root; to manipulate, that is, seize; chiefly to capture, wield; specifically to overlay; figuratively to use unwarrantably:--catch, handle, (lay, take) hold (on, over), stop, X surely, surprise, take.

Same as Tabret, Tambourine or Topheth: God WILL use wind, string and percussion instruments to drive His enemies into Topheth or Hell.

Cain was OF that wicked one and Paul says that Eve was seduced in a sexual sense. Therefore, as CAINITES they FORCE instruments to worship THEIR father: Jesus said that the Pharisees were SONS OF THE DEVIL because "the speak on their own." As Cainites they are MARKED by stealing other people's property so they can MARKET it for the Inner Circle stealing from the poor to feed the rich.

There is no role and no Dole for Phil Barnes who is recognized as one of the PROGRESSIVES and maybe putting your kin on the DOLE should alert Believers that "there is no role for a Preacher making up his own Scriptures to make them marketable: that's what Jesus said of the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites marked as speakers, singers and instrument players as the MARK that people would hear neither Ezekiel or God.

And Yet by disputing the Word God has sent them STRONG DELUSIONS and they are predestinated to believe their own lies: Lying wonders are MARKED by all of the performing arts and crafts.

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Is there any doubt?

August 21 2012, 4:03 PM 

"I just said that there is no command, example or remote inference of any people engaging in congregational singing WITH or WITHOUT instrumental accompaniment in the Bible or recorded history until Calvin permitted some psalms (only) to be set to a simple meter to be sung in unison (only)."


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Singing in the Congregation

August 30 2012, 7:21 PM 

Racnor said that there is no example of singing in a congregation before Calvin.

"And after singing a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives." Mark 14:26

Why was not this a congregation?

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Re: Singing in the Congregation

August 30 2012, 9:37 PM 

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Madison "something of Biblical proportions" Part Two

August 21 2012, 4:27 PM 

Since Cain (from a musical note) was OF that wicked one and even Eve claimed that SHE had gotten a man from God and Paul says that Eve was wholly seduced as a new bride is taken just before her husband. Christ says that Lucifer (Zoe, serpent) was cast as PROFANE (a music term) out of heaven and into the garden of Eden: He calls him/her/it a "singing and harp playing prostitute."

Of that Wicked One--a Musical Enchanter(ess) or singing and harp playing prostitute (claimed to be a male):

It is remarkable that the verb nachash always means to enchant, fascinate, bewitch; or of one having and using occult knowledge. See Gen. 30:27; 44:5, 15. Lev. 19:26. Deut. 18:10. 1Kings 20:33. 2Kings 17:17; 21:6. 2Chron. 33:6. So also is the noun used in Num. 23:23; 24:1

Musical Worship Teams with or without instruments began by CLAIMING that they could "lead you into the presence of God." They therefore stand in the holy place CLAIMING that they are Jesus Christ Who is the ONLY mediator between man and God. They DO perform as "lusted after fruits" (Rev 18) and are called SORCERERS: Sorcerers and Dogs will be (maybe have been) cast alive into the Lake of fire to be consumed by their own breath.

The Serpent in the garden of Eden was a Nachash or Musical Enchanter(ess)

Nachash (h5172) naw-khash'; a prim. root; prop. to hiss, i. e. whisper a (magic) spell; gen. to prognosticate: - * certainly, divine, enchanter, (use) * enchantment, learn by experience, * indeed, diligently observe.

Nachash "snake, serpent" with nshk "bite" provides a link between two verses in Amos speaking of the impossibility of escape Amos 5:19 and 9:3 - nachash often either carries overtones of the serpent in Eden (Gen 3) or of the mythology of Canaanite cultures (Is 27:1).

As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him. Amos 5:19

Nashak (h5391) naw-shak'; a prim. root; to strike with a sting (as a serpent); fig., to oppress with interest on a loan: - bite, lend upon usury.

"The spirits were thought to speak in murmurings or piping sounds (Isa 8:19), which could be imitated by the medium (witch or ventriloquist)...Most spiritual and popular was the interpretation of dreams.

It also was the case that mediums intentionally would convert themselves into a semi-waking trance. In this way the suitable mediums attained to a certain kind of clarvoyance, found among various peoples.

This approaches the condition of an ecstatically aroused pseudo-prophet.. In Greece, too, oracles were pronounced by the Phythian prophetess who by vapors and the like was aroused to a practice of the mantic art. (Int Std Bible Ency, p. 2466)

Paul warned that everyone speaking and singing out of their OWN spirit would look to the unbelievers just like these MAD WOMEN practicing the Mantic art.

Chapter XI.-How Great are the Benefits Conferred on Man Through the Advent of

Contemplate a little, if agreeable to you, the divine beneficence. The first man, when in Paradise, sported free, because he was the child of God; but when he succumbed to pleasure (for the serpent allegorically signifies pleasure crawling on its belly, earthly wickedness nourished for fuel to the flames), was as a child seduced by lusts, and grew old in disobedience; and by disobeying his Father, dishonoured God.

Such was the influence of pleasure. Man, that had been free by reason of simplicity, was found fettered to sins. The Lord then wished to release him from his bonds, and clothing Himself with flesh-O divine mystery!-vanquished the serpent, and enslaved the tyrant death; and, most marvellous of all, man that had been deceived by pleasure, and bound fast by corruption, had his hands unloosed, and was set free.

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Madison Part Three: Warning about FALLEN ANGELS

August 30 2012, 11:59 AM 

Preachers are not trained as Bible Students but often chosen because of their charisma (smile) and devotion to turning "Madison into a theater for holy entertaiment" as they claimed at the time. Never be surprised at a slow train to nepotism: This is what God promised Israel when the ELDERS fired God and demanded a Senior Pastor so they could worship like the nations. (Goyin or Babylonian)

All ancient Hebrews and Church fathers understood that Moses wrote an INVERTED form of the Babylonian myths. This was to warn those who had fallen into nusical idolatry with no redemption to protect very few from falling into the same Canaanite Baalism. Madison used to sing their children into Canaan Land.

"For only Og the king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Tobalkin ; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbah of the Ammonites? Nine cubits [i.e. about 13 feet / 4 meters] was its length, and four cubits its breadth, according to the common cubit." (Deuteronomy 3:11 RSV)

7497. rapha, raw-faw´; or raphah, raw-faw´; from 7495 in the sense of invigorating; a giant:giant, Rapha, Rephaim(-s). See also 1051.

Of the Transmission of the Art of Playing the Harp, that is to say of Music and Singing and Dancing. Yobal made reed instruments, and harps, and flutes, and whistles,and the devils went and dwelt inside them. When men blew into the pipes, the devils sang inside them, and sent out sounds from inside them. (Note: the "familiar spirit" of the Witch of Endor was an old "lifeless instrument" made of an old water or wineskin).

Yobal (Jubal). (Note: Jubilee or "a blast of trumpets" is from Jubal which means "to lead with triumph or pomp.") and Tobalkin (Tubal-Cain), the two brethren, the sons of Lamech, the blind man, who killed Cain, invented and made all kinds of instruments (or metal weapons) of music.

Cain, meaning a musical note, was "gotten from the Lord" meaning without Adam: Judas was OF that wicked one and he failed to musically triump over Jesus with his wind instrument and the JUDAS BAG. This triumph over or Vocal AND instrumental rejoicing including high sounding rhetoric--the meaning of a hypocrite--was outlawed from the Church in the Wilderness by Christ the Rock.

It is a mark of the WISE (Sophists: rhetoricians, singers, instrument players) from Who God HIDES Himself and the WORLD (Kosmos) for which Jesus will NOT even pray. Both the WISE and the WORLD mark the natural world under principalities and powers in high places (pulpits) and are doomed to obey their father who speaks on his own.

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Tobalkin (blacksmith taught brass or bell metal used to claim that the GODS were making that ringing sound: the meaning of SERPENT) made cymbals, and sistra, and tambourines (or drums). And lasciviousness and fornication increased among the children of Cain, and they had nothing to occupy them except fornication--now they had no obligation [to pay] tribute, and they had neither prince nor governor--and eating, and drinking, and lasciviousness, and drunkenness,and dancing and singing to instruments of music, and the wanton SPORTINGS of the devils,

(Israel: "rose up to play" and so did David in moving the ark from God's tabernacle to his)

The Anakim lived in the south, near Hebron. They were defeated by the Israelites under Joshua. "tall as the Anakim" (Deuteronomy 2:21 RSV) "And Joshua came at that time, and wiped out the Anakim from the hill country, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab, and from all the hill country of Judah, and from all the hill country of Israel; Joshua utterly destroyed them with their cities." (Joshua 11:21 RSV)

Thus the names Hagar (Mount Sinai, Jerusalem, Sodom), Kiib, Agubeni, Raabeni and Rauben (Reuben) are names of Arab tribes. These tribes Genesis describes as persons, not as tribes. Arba (the same name as the district Raab-en) was a Great Man among the (Sun-worshipping) Anakim.Joshua, Tit. 15; xxi. 21. The Hebrew Religion stepped out from the noblest side of the Dionysus- worship, influenced, no doubt, to some extent by Persian and Babylonian ideas, but still retaining the Phoenician impress. The name of the Phoenician Highest God is Bal, Bol, Bui, Sadak, Suduk, Adonz. THE MYSTERIES OE ADONI BY S. F. DUNLAP

Adonis is Tammuz Christ in Spirit warned about in Ezekiel 8

(g) Azael, however, far from repenting, still offers women ornaments and many-colored robes with which to lead men astray.

For this reason, on the Day of Atonement, Israel's sins are heaped on the annual scapegoat; it is then thrown over a cliff to Azazel - as some call Azael.

See Nadab and Abihu.

After they rushed into the Holy places and burned incense it was a STRANGE ritual and STRANGE fire. The word indicates that they repeated one of their ancient pagan rituals.

After this God caused moses to institute the DAY OF ATONEMENT to atone even for the Tabernacle. The scapegoat was sent away. It was a sacrifice to Azael or the devil to forever teach the folly of Nadab and Abihu.

There was no need for a Day of Atonement until Nadab and Abihu brought on the sacrifice of a goat to the devil.

In the modern celebrations of Jubilee (Child of Madison) a fundamental element is to define the scapegoat and attempt to "send him away" while the keynoter climbs to the top of the mountain. Catholics claim that the Jubilee has as its fundamental meaning, the Atonement for sin.

The sacrifice of the Goats (capella latin) were to the demons and the burning was accompanied with MADISON'S proof authority but Christ in the prophets said that God had NOT commanded sacrifices or burnt offerings. When God ABANDONS you to the use of "machines for doing hard work" you know that the COMMAND is terminal.

John in Revelation called the performance speakers, singers, instrument players and craftsmen (Theater builder and stage managers) as SORCERERS. He said that they HAD DECEIVED THE WHOLE WORLD. Not knowing, not caring or PARTICIPATING, the instrumental churches ARE those fallen angels against whom we CANNOT WRESTLE meaning with Plucking Musical Instruments.

Judas did not know that his Judas Bag (for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments) and the SOP (the Psallo concept) was the MARK for Satan to COME INTO him and cause Him to destroy himself because he was a failed instrument of Satan or "Lucifer, the singing and harp playing prostitute."

I think the BUDGET demands INSTRUMENTS as the motive for the first sowing of discord.

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Re: Madison in prophecy and fulfilment Part THREE

August 30 2012, 9:44 PM 

I have posted the Matthew 26 version where you can click on the links and become a DISCIPLE rather than worrying about doing music when you are INVITED to come rest and learn of Jesus.

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