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Separated Remarks about Musical Harmony or Melody.

August 31 2012 at 6:00 PM
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I gladly concede the point that almost no liberal or conservative clergy will ever believe that God did not command INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC AS WORSHIP under the Law, and that since were are under another LAW, we are still commanded to perform MUSICAL WORSHIP without the Levite's Instruments. That's the way it has always been and will always be.

That is in the face that Scripture is filled with the command to SPEAK the Word of God (what you do with a patriarchal god) and there is not a single command, example or inference of congregational singing with or without instruments. Well! I take that back:

"When the Hebrews were in Egypt - living as Egyptians, worshipping the Golden Calf of Horus, etc. - they also worshipped Horus's "twin," Set, whence comes Satan. Where Horus is the Golden Sun in the Age of Taurus the Bull, Set represents the Serpent of the Night, i.e., the night-time sky. The battle between Horus/Jesus and Set/Satan represents the struggle between day and night for supremacy.

"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).

Exodus 32:18 And he said, It is not the voice of them that shout for mastery, neither is it the voice of them that cry for being overcome: but the noise of them that sing do I hear.

"As Herodotus reports, women sang the praises of Osiris while liknesses of the gods were born about and, during the festival of Diana at Bubastis,Women's singing was a vital part of all pagan worship. In times women became priestly singers of the gods in the temple.

The role of the Levites, their dress, their "soothsaying with instruments and the titles of their songs singing in FALSETTO is MALES obligated to be worship leaders but PERFORMING THE ROLE OF WOMEN.

"The trained musicians which eventually appear around the time of David and Solomon mark a distinctive change in the history of Jewish music. Before this time much of the music was made by women." (Zondervan Pict., Music p. 313).

"Before the establishment of the kingdom under Saul, it was the women who, as in every young civilization, played a major part in the performance of music. Such figures as Miriam, Deborah, Jephtha's daughter, and the women hailing the young hero David have become almost archetypes of female musicians. Characteristic of all these cases is the familiar picture of a female chorus, dancing and singing, accompanied by frenzied drum-beating. This is the scene known to the entire Near East, and not even the severe rule of Islam could wholly suppress this age-old practice." (Int Dict of the Bible, Music, p. 457).

"Women and girls from the different ranks of society were proud to enter the service of the gods as singers and musicians. The understanding of this service was universal: these singers constituted the 'harem of the gods'." "The Catholic Johannes Quasten in Pagan and Christian Music tells it like it is)

"Philodemus considered it paradoxical that music should be regarded as veneration of the gods while musicians were paid for performing this so-called veneration. Again, Philodemus held as self deceptive the view that music mediated religious ecstasy.

He saw the entire condition induced by the noise of cymbals and tambourines [tabering with one's hands or upon one's breast]
as a disturbance of the spirit.
He found it significant that, on the whole,
only women and effeminate men fell into this folly.

Accordingly, nothing of value could be attributed to music;
it was no more than a slave of the sensation of pleasure,
which satisfied much in the same way that food and drink did.

Of those the Spirit OF Christ identified as hypocrites: rhetoricians, singers and instrument players. As Ezekiel noted the singers and players were symbols of NOTHING AT ALL:

Jameson Fawcett Brown notes: Vulgate translates, "They turn thy words into a song of their mouths." heart goeth after covetousness--the grand rival to the love of God; therefore called "idolatry," and therefore associated with impure carnal love, as both alike transfer the heart's affection from the Creator to the creature.

No one with a straight face can deny that singing is MOUSE BAIT without which no one would dedicate their giving to the "lord" and having it spent on making School of Christ into a "Spectacle of Entertainment" which is the trap of the Purpose Driven Cult which plagues MOST religious OBSERVATIONS to which Jesus said "the kingdom of God will not come."

How about giving Jesus one hour out of the 168: Jesus claimed and claims "could you not tarry with me for one hour?" If you can see it, smell it, feel it or hear it, it is NOT the Kingdom of Christ which will be OUTSIDE the camp.

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Re: Separated Remarks about Musical Harmony or Melody.

August 31 2012, 6:27 PM 

The Church of Christ was not and CAN NOT be an institution with a huge budget, staff and National Planning for the time and money of the members of the tribe. That's fine: MANY are called or invited but FEW (almost none) are chosen which means added to the ekklesia. I repeat that Scripture and lots of ancient and modern understanding is that the KOSMOS is filled with spirit beings and God ordained Jesus to seek and save the LOST. I believe that means "Lost Spirits" or strangers and soujourners.

The mandate for preachers or evangelists to preach the gospel:

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

apodekhomai 2. accept as a teacher, follow, X.Mem.4.1.1,etc.; a. tina sumboulon Pl.Prt.323c.

Xemophon, Memorabilia 4.1.2Socrates was so useful in all circumstances and in all ways, that any observer gifted with ordinary perception can see that nothing was more useful than the companionship of Socrates, and time spent with him in any place and in any circumstances. The very recollection of him in absence brought no small good to his constant companions and followers

Ekklesa was to LEARN and carry away the Word of Christ: why would people treate Socrates with more respect than Jesus? Songs and sermons do not INTEND for you to take away "that which is written for our learning."

Church derived from Circe and god derived from Gad the god of fortune is OF the World Order and Jesus doesn't even pray for them. He refused to preach to the masses only in Parables: those who are the Lost Sheep WILL hear the voice and obey with no ENHANCEMENTS of fabricating POWER SERMONS and SONGS.

Evangelists are ANNOUNCERS and not salesmen who need a Phd in Rhetoric or Music or Drama which are the HYPOCRITIC arts and crafts. The PROOF is that it will be impossible for them to read the word SPEAK without seeing it in black and white as SING.

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August 31 2012, 6:57 PM 

Repeating the meaning of RECEIVE the Word or becoming a Disciple of Christ by Baptism:

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

apodekhomai 2. accept as a teacher, follow, X.Mem.4.1.1,etc.; a. tina sumboulon Pl.Prt.323c.

Xemophon, Memorabilia 4.1.2 Socrates was so useful in all circumstances and in all ways, that any observer gifted with ordinary perception can see that nothing was more useful than the companionship of Socrates, and time spent with him in any place and in any circumstances. The very recollection of him in absence brought no small good to his constant companions and followers


Eph. 5:26WEB That he might sanctify and cleanse it
.....with the washing of water
.....[INTO] the word, (In Verbo, En, Eis)
.....Into Converto , epistles of a writer, to be occupied in, Into
.....Philo-sophos Love of educatioon, an academy Philo-mathes or Philo-Logos

.....OPPOSITE to of Sophistes A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, musicians
.....Parapaion Khelon (play the harp, Hieron Melon (Melody in a religious shrine).
.....A quibbler, cheate, one who gave lessons FOR MONEY.
.....Fides (not faithful to the community) but Fides (faithful to Apollon)

Discourse, conversation, Oral by word of mouth urnio plura verbo quam Scriptur mandata dedimus, In eccl. Lat. as a translation of logos,

LOGOS Opposite PATHOS (personal experiences), Opposite folly, Opposite reasoning, deliberation,
Epagoge bringing in AIDS, alurement, enticement, incantations, oppositeof human reasoning, leading into captivity

Example [364c] any misdeed of a man or his ancestors, and that if a man wishes to harm an enemy, at slight cost he will be enabled to injure just and unjust alike, since they are masters of spells and enchantments1 that constrain the gods to serve their end.And for all these sayings they cite the poets as witnesses, with regard
to the ease and plentifulness of vice, quoting: Evil-doing in plenty a man shall find for the seeking;

1 In Laws 933 D both are used of the victim with epdais, which primarily applies to the god. Cf. Lucan, Phars. vi. 492 and 527.

Epode song sung unto or over, hence, enchantment, spell, charm, pharmaka (sorcery Rev 18:23) THE BURDEN JESUS DIED TO STOP.

Isa 44:17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image:
.....he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it,
.....and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

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Anything that enhances or replaces the Word is excluded: common decency

August 31 2012, 10:53 PM 

Anything written by a mortal is a myth or fable or some form which is DIFFERENT FROM RECORDED HISTORY. I can't be the judge but it seems to me that most modern songs will turn you into women and even a single song leader attempts to do some theatrics: Gesturing with the hand is such an effort which DEMANDS that you give heed (that worship word) to him, his voice and his gestures.

Your LEFT (masculine, rational or spiritual hemisphere CANNOT judge and memorize which you right (feminine)hemisphere simply sucks up whatever is being taught: you may deny it and that is part of the fool the fools task.

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