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john watson smith
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Respect for the authority of the BIble

October 3 2012, 2:26 PM 


In Psalm 103 we find no less than three times the fear of the Lord in mentioned as a desirable virtue on the part of mankind.

If we fear the Lord we respect the boundaries established by what is authorized. Because we fear the Lord.

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Ken Sublett
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ConcernedMembersMadison
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Re: Respect for the authority of the BIble

October 3 2012, 4:54 PM 

They actually boast about being irreverent: "Our teen gatherings just blast out Rock and Roll" (Rick Atchley.)

This lack of reverence was a sin without redemption at Mount Sinai and the Nadab and Abihu event. Speaking of the trumpets sounds which were judgmental:

Whose voice then SHOOK the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet ONCE MORE I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. Heb 12:26

And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the REMOVING of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken [a trumpet-like word] may remain. Heb 12:27

Wherefore we RECEIVING a KINGDOM which cannot be moved, let us have GRACE,

whereby we may SERVE God acceptably with REVERENCE and godly fear: Heb 12:28


For our God is a consuming fire. Heb 12:29

I am not sure that any level of scholarship lets them the connection between NOT prostrating ourselves spiritually at least and BLASTING the rafters with Rock and Roll--that sex word.

 
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B
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74.179.248.200

Re: Respect for the authority of the BIble

October 3 2012, 5:18 PM 

The change agents and denominationalists would say that if you quote the Psalms, then Psalm 150 says to praise God with musical instruments. Of course, discerning Christians know that the New Testament authorizes only vocal music but not instrumental music. We also know that, just as we cannot serve two masters, we cannot serve two Covenants. Christ fulfilled the Old Covenant and nailed it to His cross (Col. 2:14), so now we must heed the authority of the New Testament and do NOT exceed its directive to use only vocal music.

 
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Racnor
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Re: Respect for the authority of the BIble

October 4 2012, 3:34 PM 

"B", you may want to rethink your ban on the OT. Ken uses Isaiah (somehow) to condemn IM. You may be cutting into his wiggle room. "B" also uses OT to make his point on "add to/take away" command.

I see a glaring double standard here.

I really should be sleeping...zzz happy.gif

 
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B
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Re: Respect for the authority of the BIble

October 4 2012, 7:07 PM 

As I said, the neither-add-to-nor-take-from command is found in both the Old Covenant, which Christ nailed to His cross (Col. 2:14), and it is found in the New Covenant, under which Christians presently serve. Since we are told that we cannot serve two masters simultaneously, we also cannot serve two Covenants simultaneously. Just drop instrumental music from Christian worship and you'll be in compliance with the neither-add-to-nor-take-from command as well as with Eph. 5:19 and Col. 3:16.

Racnor should be using his long "vacation" time to prepare himself to accept and follow the neither-add-to-nor-take from command as part of his Christian life.

 
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Racnor
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Re: Respect for the authority of the BIble

October 4 2012, 8:47 PM 

"B", I am very familiar with these verses.


Rev 22:18-19

18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


 
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B
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Re: Respect for the authority of the BIble

October 5 2012, 12:20 AM 

Now that Racnor is familiar with the neither-add-to-nor-take-from command, he should be willing to comply with it. Or perhaps Racnor thinks that the warning given in Rev. 22:18-19--that we must neither add to nor take from the Word of God--applies only to Revelation. People use that applies-only-to-Revelation excuse to do as they please.

 
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B
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Re: Respect for the authority of the BIble

October 5 2012, 3:30 PM 

Of course, a person may say, "I am very familiar with" this or that passage of Scripture, but that does not guarantee the person believes it or will abide by it. After all, Satan is "very familiar with" everything that is written in the Bible, yet that "familiarity" does not make him a child of God.

 
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Ken Sublett
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ConcernedMembersMadison
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Re: Saying that God did not CONDEMN Instruments is the BIGGEST lie.

October 5 2012, 11:34 AM 

B, I didn't know that you had published a revised version of Revelation with some adds-twos and takes-from.

I have published this several times but it seems hard to grasp: It is NOT adding to what the Spirit OF Christ said in the prophets to DEFINE the words: I seemed to have learned about definitions back before way back even began.

Why is it that at Babble University no one bothers to look at the meanings of words before pronouncing that "God says DUU Instrumental music and DOOO not disobey." So WEES gonna TAK UR Property under the theory of Eminent Domain cuse we gonna save mor soles.

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Now notice that it is a fact that Christ never said: Thou shalt NOT ride brooms and play instruments as WITCHCRAFT to manipulate minds. Go ahead, make God's Day. What He SAID is that IF they do that it is simply a MARK that THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM. Don't waste your time trying to convert them as Jesus spoke in parables to HIDE the truth from the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites defined by Christ as slick speakers, singers and instrument players. God HIDES Himself from the wise or SOPHISTS meaning rhetoricians, performance singers and instrument players. That is also the MARK that they are MARKETING their bodies and USING you.

Ezekiel 33:30 Also, thou son of man,
.....the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses,
.....and speak one to another, every one to his brother,
.......... saying, Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the LORD.
Ezekiel 33:31 And they come unto thee AS the people cometh,
.....and they sit before thee AS my people,
.....and they hear thy words,
.........but they will not do them:
........for with their mouth they shew much love,
........but their heart goeth after their covetousness.
Ezekiel 33:32 And, lo, thou art unto them
.....AS a very lovely song
.....of one that hath a pleasant voice,
.....and can play well on an instrument:
.....for they hear thy words, but they do them not.
Ezekiel 33:33 And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,)
.....then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them.


Notice that Christ never said THOU SHALT NOT BE A HYPOCRITE (religious performer). It't just a MARK for people to mark and avoid.



    
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B
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Re: Saying that God did not CONDEMN Instruments is the BIGGEST lie.

October 5 2012, 12:18 PM 

I believe the warning in Revelation is not limited to that book; it sets forth a general principle that applies to ALL of God's Word. Even though we Christians now serve under the New Covenant, not the Old Covenant, we are not permitted to change what God has/had written. It would be ludicrous to think that God would forbid us to change Revelation, yet give us unlimited freedom to do what we wished with the rest of His Word (except for Deuteronomy).

 
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Ken Sublett
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ConcernedMembersMadison
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Re: Saying that God did not CONDEMN Instruments is the BIGGEST lie.

October 5 2012, 12:34 PM 

True: we are not called upon to, as promoted at LU, use our imagination to fill in the silences. A disciple is simply called upon to be a STUDENT. A disciple of Medicine does not presume to invent new body parts simply because he thinks there should be a "thingy" somewhere. He assuredly spends hard labor understanding WHAT'S THERE. My future daughter in law (maybe) finished her doctorate and her limited field is the Retina. No lens, no nerves, no brains. She is in Post Doctorate study at University of Washington. Now, she would have not been very bright to cut into the retina without taking advantage of total history of other people's work.

Dave does not want us to DEFINE words or look at how they are used in other texts. Without such study over the years David would not be able to read s single verse in Hebrew, Latin or Greek.

Without Geography David would not know Where Is Babylon.

 
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Anonymous
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Re: Saying that God did not CONDEMN Instruments is the BIGGEST lie.

October 7 2012, 2:43 PM 

How does a narcissist sleep? First he lies on one side, then he lies on the other.

What do you call an honest narcissist? An impossibility.

A narcissist is someone who after taking the trash out, gives the impression he just cleaned the whole house

 
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Ken Sublett
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ConcernedMembersMadison
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Re: Saying that God did not CONDEMN Instruments is the BIGGEST lie.

October 7 2012, 2:52 PM 

PLEASE STOP MAKING FUN OF ME!Echo

in Greek mythology, a mountain nymph, or oread. Ovid's Metamorphoses relates that Echo offended the goddess Hera by keeping her in conversation, thus preventing her from spying on one of Zeus' amours. To punish Echo, Hera deprived her of speech, except for the ability to repeat the last words of another. Echo's hopeless love for Narcissus, who fell in love with his own image, made her fade away until all that was left of her was her voice.

According to the Greek writer Longus, Echo rejected the advances of the god Pan; he thereupon drove the shepherds mad, and they tore her to pieces. Gaea (Earth) buried her limbs but allowed her to retain the power of song. (Britannica Members )

Aristophanes Thesmophoriazusae

Something strange happened to the nymph Echo: her speech was curtailed by Hera, so that she merely repeated the concluding phrases of a speech and returned the words she heard. Echo was a nymph. Hera did this because Echo, holding the goddess in long talk, prevented her to catch the NYMPHS who had been in company with her husband.

"That tongue of yours, by which I have been tricked, shall have its power curtailed and enjoy the briefest use of speech." [Hera]

Echo was educated by the NYMPHS, and taught to play music by the MUSES.

Some say Echo fled from all males, whether men or Gods, because she loved virginity. Seeing that, Pan took occasion to be angry at her, and to envy her music because he could not come at her beauty.

Therefore he turned mad the shepherds and goatherds, and they, like dogs and wolves, tore her to pieces and flung them about them all over the earth.

Gaia buried them, preserving their musical property, and by a decree of the MUSES they breathe out a voice, imitating all things.

But it is also said that she, because of grief, faded away with the exception of her voice. This happened when Echo fell in love with Narcissus (self-love) and he spurned her love.


    
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B
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Re: Saying that God did not CONDEMN Instruments is the BIGGEST lie.

October 7 2012, 3:59 PM 

Having been sidetracked by his fetish for narcissism, Dave is trying to tell us that he will continue to thumb his nose at the neither-add-to-nor-take-from command.

 
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