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Was Jesus Born on Dec. 25? This article says no!

December 25 2012 at 1:43 AM
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I don't want to take away from the warm feelings of the holidays, but I do feel a need to enlighten you to the scam called Christmas today. If you do your research, you will be shocked to find that:

December 25 is a pagan holiday. It has nothing to do with Christ's birth. The Devil has played another trick on the sheeple who call themselves Christian. Below is just one story on the internet exposing the fraud. Several preachers on the internet/shortwave have exposed this fact for years. (Search Christmas, Pagan) After all, didn't Jesus say the NARROW IS THE ROAD ...? When will his people wake up to the DEVIL's deceptions? Reading the article below will help you understand my frustrations with December 25 celebration SCAM.

http://www.essortment.com/christmas-pagan-origins-42543.html

Few people realize that the origins of a form of Christmas was pagan & celebrated in Europe long before anyone there had heard of Jesus Christ.
No one knows on what day Jesus Christ was born. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ's birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?


The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.


In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.


In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.


Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means "wheel," the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.


The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.


In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ's birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.


Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: "Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ."


The controversy continues even today in some fundamentalist sects.


 
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Candle Lighting at Northfield

December 25 2012, 12:47 PM 

You have good thoughts on the amalgamation of paganism with Christianity.

The new religion "Christianity" expropriated the rituals of the previously dominated pagan religion to adopt the time of year (Winter Solstice). This happened about the time of Constantine in the fourth century. Christians, who heretofore fought the celebration of birthdays since the birthday of the Caesar was the big event, suddenly adopted the birthday of Christ as the celebration. At the same time, a "masterful" stroke of "genius" they obliterated the feast of the Sun God, in which human depresssion was sinking in toward the shortest day of the year, December 21 or 22, when they thought according to their superstitions that giving gifts to the Sun God would begin to bring him back.

The only problem is that the purity of the early church was therefore badly mauled and suddenly Christianity appears to be seriously compromised.

The "Northfield Campus" [child of Madison] is making good time helping the amalgamation by sponsoring a candle-holding ceremony where everyone can "feel good." Oh, they say, "We're enlightened and have gotten past those narrow-minded people who are against our celebrating the mass of Christ. We feel good doing this."

The screen at Madison [mother of Northfield] on December 23 showed that "we" adopted Christmas as Christ's birthday in the fourth century. [The accuracy of the date shows that whoever placed this statement likely knew in detail how this time of the year originated.] This admission likely indicates that "we" are not "restored Christianity" but the evolvement of the church from the third or fouth century.

These events are all facts, not gossip.

Oh well, the elders can't moderate everything, and if they tried I'm sure there would be smoke and a storm.

The problem everywhere is what can be done to have a church like the New Testament church.



 
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Re: Candle Lighting at Northfield

December 26 2012, 1:56 AM 

It's almost without a doubt that the "Northfield Church" [daughter of Madison] is a full-fledged Community Church. I do not think that you will be able to associate the "church of Christ" with Northfield other than where it's indicated as: "A Campus of Madison Church of Christ."

Check out this relationship:

Madison Church of Christ and the Northfield Church


As of this writing, note as advertised:

-- Join us Sunday ... for our annual: His Kidz Christmas Play!

-- Bring your family & friends and celebrate the wonder of Christmas together! Monday December 24th Candlelight Service 10:00pm Join us at 9:30pm for light refreshments and musical entertainment

http://northfieldchurch.net/#/home


What has happened to the drama ministry at Madison? Time consuming? Less appealing to "adult" Christians?

So, here's the new-and-improved methodology for teaching God's "KIDZ" the doctrine of Christ ... for without it, His "kidz" cannot learn and know His truth?

 
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Re: Was Jesus Born on Dec. 25? This article says no!

December 25 2012, 1:13 PM 

This "information" tells us nothing new. Most of us are well aware of the "origins" of Christmas and that Jesus was most likely born in the spring, not in the winter. We also know that Christmas as a holiday originated with the Roman Catholic Church to Christianize a pagan holy day.

Nevertheless, it would now be virtually impossible to have the entire Christian world suddenly stop celebrating the birth of Christ on December 25, which it has been doing for more than 1,700 years since the fourth century A.D.

So enjoy the time of peace on earth, goodwill toward men while you can!

 
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Re: Was Jesus Born on Dec. 25? This article says no!

December 26 2012, 1:28 PM 

I agree with "B" (two in a row) on Christmas!

 
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Jesus is Born

December 26 2012, 2:59 PM 

B writes

"Nevertheless, it would now be virtually impossible to have the entire Christian world suddenly stop celebrating the birth of Christ on December 25, which it has been doing for more than 1,700 years since the fourth century A.D."

Not only does it appear impossible to have the world stop the celebration but those closest to us also want to celebrate Christmas and Easter, and of course they do. We live in a culture and from that it is difficult to escape. As Jesus said,

Matt 19:6 "What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 7They say unto him, Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorcement, and to put her away? 8He saith unto them, Moses for your hardness of heart suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it hath not been so." ASV

Moses "regulated" divorce. Jesus discouraged it as well.

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Re: Was Jesus Born on Dec. 25? This article says no!

December 26 2012, 4:52 PM 

Rituals are really a way for people to try to WORK some religious thing when we have lost connection to the head. For instance, the MAGI are to prove that all such magical performances have to finally bow at the manger. The Magi were not good men: the SEERs who got information for David were doing what churches do when they perform theatrical rituals telling the foolish that they can find their lost goats--for a price, always for a price.

Aldus Huxley notes that:

Abused as we abuse it at present, dramatic art is in no sense cathartic; it is merely a form of emotional masturbation. It is the rarest thing to find a player who has not had his character affected for the worse by the practice of his profession.
Nobody can make a habit of self-exhibition, nobody can exploit his personality for the sake of exercising a kind of hypnotic power over others, and remain untouched by the process. From Source

A man who strains himself on the stage is bound, if he is any good, to strain all the people sitting in the stalls. Bertolt Brecht The actor searches vainly for the sound of a vanished tradition, and critic and audience follow suit.

We have lost all sense of ritual and ceremony -- whether it be connected with Christmas, birthdays or funerals -- but the words remain with us and old impulses stir in the marrow.

We feel we should have rituals, we should do something about getting them and we blame the artists for not finding them for us.
So the artist sometimes attempts to find new rituals with only his imagination as his source: he imitates the outer form of ceremonies, pagan or baroque, unfortunately adding his own trapping -- the result is rarely convincing. And after the years and years of weaker and waterier imitations we now find ourselves rejecting the very notion of a holy stage.
It is not the fault of the holy that it has become a middle-class weapon to keep the children good. Peter (Stephen Paul) Brook

Huxley notes that After taking the pill:

"The change which actually took place in that world was in no sense revolutionary. Half an hour after swallowing the drug I became aware of a slow dance of golden lights. A little later there were sumptuous red surfaces swelling and expanding from bright nodes of energy that vibrated with a continuously changing, patterned life. At another time the closing of my eyes revealed a complex of gray structures, within which pale bluish spheres kept emerging into intense solidity and, having emerged, would slide noiselessly upwards, out of sight. But at no time were there faces or forms of men or animals. I saw no landscapes, no enormous spaces, no magical growth and metamorphosis of buildings, nothing remotely like a drama or a parable. The other world to which mescalin admitted me was not the world of visions; it existed out there, in what I could see with my eyes open. The great change was in the realm of objective fact. What had happened to my subjective universe was relatively unimportant.

Something like this can happen to faith as well. The rational, informational, and linear-sequential worlds of productivity tend to dominate in our lives these days. Consequently, the rest of our worlds suffer neglect, and we are losing touch with much of what it means to believe.

In trying to produce the same drug effects with music he noted that:
"Instrumental music, oddly enough, left me rather cold. Mozart's C-Minor Piano Concerto was interrupted after the first movement, and a recording of some madrigals by Gesualdo took its place.

"These voices," I said appreciatively, "these voices - they're a kind of bridge back to the human world." And a bridge they remained even while singing the most startlingly chromatic of the mad prince's compositions. Through the uneven phrases of the madrigals, the music pursued its course, never sticking to the same key for two bars together. In Gesualdo, that fantastic character out of a Webster melodrama, psychological disintegration had exaggerated, had pushed to the extreme limit, a tendency inherent in modal as opposed to fully tonal music. The resulting works sounded as though they might have been written by the later Schoenberg.


It is a fact from Amos and Revelation 18 that the musical or other rituals was the PROOF that Jesus had been there for His LAMPS or the Menorah or Lampstands of the seven spirits OF knowledge which rests only on Jesus as the BRANCH. I don't believe that Northfield removed CHRIST from their public confession: they refuse to confess Him and He refuses to confess Him.

 
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Ritual

December 26 2012, 5:47 PM 

Ken wrote:

"Rituals are really a way for people to try to WORK some religious thing when we have lost connection to the head. For instance, the MAGI are to prove that all such magical performances have to finally bow at the manger."

Jeremiah (7:4,9) warns us that the rituals and forms of worship cannot replace obedience to commands against stealing, adultery, and idolatry. "The temple of the Lord are these" (v. 4) shows devotion to God must go beyond observable worship. Apparently there was some trust in the "artifacts" of the temple, apart from the "inner man" (according to Paul) or outward obedience (v. 9). A concept of grace that ignores inward change and outward obedience may be similar to those of Jeremiah 7 who claimed righteouness through temple observance alone. Jesus dealt with those of His day who sought their righteousness in outward forms and who were opposed to inner change and resulting obedience.

The real challenge of Christmas is how to transfer the outward allegiance of that day to the rest of the year. There is the term nominal Christianity that is defined as being a Christian in name only rather than through genuine faith.

 
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Rubel Shelly baptizing Santa and ANY pagan act which can be COLORED Christian.

December 26 2012, 10:26 PM 

Rubel Shelly Baptizing Santa.

http://www.piney.com/WinRSSunSanta.html

The problem with most religious teknokrats is that they do not know the meaning of the assembly and do not HAVE to know as long as elders who don't know nor care hire someone who appeals to their own carnal nature.

From BEFORE the Fall Moses was told how to conduct schools of the Word and this was called the qahal, synagogue or Church in the wilderness. This was to quarantine the godly people from the Jacob-cursed and God-condemned and Atchley pattern of the Levites.

The assembly is defined both inclusively and exclusively by the Spirit of Christ in the prophets, made more certain by commands and examples by Jesus, eye and ear witnessed by the Apostles who left us a "memory" of that revelation. That is the INCLUSIVE pattern for both Jew and Gentile thus annulling any Jewish ritual:

Ephesians 2:20 And are built [educated] upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;


The elders are authentic only if they teach that which HAS BEEN TAUGHT and sit down ANYONE who goes beyond that sole teaching resource. Therefore, whatever the value of Christmas it is EXCLUDED by commands, examples or remote inferences from the assembly which is only A School of the Word.

Rubel Shelly: "And when I tell you that Santa has been baptized, I'm echoing the ancient Christian tradition of what one theologian dubbed "baptizing the traditions of secular holidays in the message of God's love that has been revealed in Jesus Christ."

Since the time of Emperor Constantine's conversion to Christ and his order to "Christianize" the pagan feasts,

Christians have been seeking to turn every symbol (mark IDOL) to the glory of God. Thus a midwinter festival to the S-U-N was converted into a day of rejoicing over the S-O-N of God. If Jesus is described by biblical writers as the "Sun of Righteousness" and God's "true light coming into the world," what could be more natural?

"Whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him," counseled the Apostle Paul (Col. 3:17).

If any activity, celebration, or feast cannot be immersed in Christ-honoring significance, there is no place for it in our lives. If it can be baptized in or colored with Christian connotation, we would be dishonoring God and cheating ourselves by failing to do so.


"Lucifer and the powers of the air hovering around it... try in vain to tear down the cross and to silence the importunate clangour of the bells. In the Golden Legend Longfellow wrote:

Lucifer Lower! lower!
Hover downward!
Seize the loud vociferous bells, and
Clashing, clanging, to the pavement
Hurl them from their window tower,
Voices. All they thunders
Here are harmless!
Fore these bells have been anointed,
And baptized with holy water!
They defy our utmost power."

 
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Rubel Shelly Revisioning the Church

December 26 2012, 11:14 PM 

You will remember that Steve Flat and Rubel Shelly were co-conspirators in the Jubilee movement. It had as its goal a new style of musical worship, a broader role for women and an inclusive church.

http://www.piney.com/RSReImaging.html

In addition to following Max Lucado's seeing the S.O.N God as the S.U.N God with the need for Levitical singers, Rubel imitated the Methodist Sophia worship which is connected the AGAPE as worship of the triple-goddesses. If you SEE and HEAR them perform they you are FORCED to give attention to those who CLAIM the role of Jesus as "leading you into the presence of God."

Rubel Shelly claimed to have new spectacles through which they were getting a new vision for the church. John Mark Hicks in Come to the Table sold the idea that the Lord's Supper was a sacrificial meal where God ate with the people while they burned the fat with great JUBILATION.

Rubel Shelly also grabbed the feminists-lesbian Methodist Clergy who had trashed Jesus and worshipped Sophia. This fits the pattern of the Agape where MOON HONEY was menstrual blood. He came up with his version of Reimaging the Church of Christ as a take-off of the Methodist Revisioning conferences.

Madison also once had an EASTER tree: that is/was the worship of Ishtar. The women worshipped the abominations painted on the temple walls while the men held their Sun Rise Service. Therefore, there is a long chain connecting the Purpose Driven long range pan to REMOVE Christ off the public confession and USE (as they say) women.




 
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Any comments on this?

December 27 2012, 9:17 PM 

Amalgamation of Christianity with Paganism and its Results


-------------Christian Form------------- -------------Pagan Practice------------- ----------Unfortunate Results-----------
Jesus is the Son of God The Corn Mother is God Mary is the Mother of God
Jesus is the Son of God The Sun is God Jesus is the Sun God
Church is our Model The Community is our Model Model the Church after the Community
We are saved by Grace Works do not indicate Salvation Grace has nothing to do with Works
The Church is Unique I feel uncomfortable being unique Make the church like Everything else
Congregation likes the preacher Elders allow havoc Get another preacher
Church Growth depends on many factors There aren't but two salvation issues Build the church on two issues

 
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Re: Was Jesus Born on Dec. 25? This article says no!

December 26 2012, 6:52 PM 

How was your cantatas?
Merry Christmas!!!

 
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Still High

December 26 2012, 10:44 PM 

Anonymous is still high from his Merry Christmas!

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Re: Still High

December 27 2012, 12:50 AM 

Yeah ... sounds like that David Fields [from another location] still high from his very Merry Christmas! happy.gif

 
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This thread is curious

December 30 2012, 8:28 PM 


In many respects, the anti-Christmas arguments are indeed irrelevant.

We are told more about the birth of Jesus, relatively, than many facets of our religion. Many prophecies, and some details in two of the gospels and allusions in John.

If an angel was sent to announce his birth - twice -, it must have been considered important, so why can't I? Isn't this a biblical example?

If the angels sang (or chanted)in celebration of his birth, why can't I? Isn't this a biblical example?

If the "wise men" brought gifts, why can't I memorialize the event? Isn't this a biblical example?

If the shepherds went to worship him at his birth, why can't I memorialize the event? Isn't this a biblical example?

Not either the wise men or the shepherds were there on his birthday, although the shepherds were close.

The calendar on the wall is a pretty modern invention. Who cares what day it was?

Since Zechariah was of the course of Abia we have clues, but nothing very close. Of course it was not the 25th of Dec. However, I have had the privilege of being in Bethlehem on Christmas Eve, and round about there were shepherds, in the rain. I doubt if Judea was as wild in ca. 4 B.C. as in David's time, I am sure that most of the lions and bears were gone by Jesus time, but night or day or hot or cold the flock has to be watched.

Orthodox and Armenian "Christians" do not celebrate on 25th December, but they celebrate.

If it is o.k. for me to have a birthday party for my (fill in blank here)(children, grandchildren, parent, friend), then why can I not have a birthday party for the only one who really matters.

The first big and still somewhat unresolved controversy of Christendom was over the date of Easter, not the birthday. Easter?!! Well, at least the word appears in the KJV.

Is it not wisdom to take a time of celebrating and looking forward to refocus on something that really matters?

Is it not wisdom to take a time of remembering what was joyous and converting it into money? Jesus is probably appalled, and I suspect he would turn the cords of his tunic into a scourge and use it on many, still ...


 
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Re: This thread is curious

December 30 2012, 9:55 PM 

Jesus explicitly told us to remember His death, which we do every first day of the week when we take the Lord's Supper; He never said anything about remembering His birth. Still...men took it upon themselves to remember His birth in a BIG way. Men have always taken it upon themselves to establish things in the name of "Christian doctrine" that Jesus never told us to do.

 
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Re: This thread is curious

December 30 2012, 10:10 PM 

Pagan triads were father, mother, eternally mewling-messing-needing mother infant.

If they can keep Jesus in the manger they do not have to come fact to face with Jesus dying on the cross to PROVE that HE earned the right to be the one and only mediator: no worship teams cannot lead you into the presence of God: that goose-flesh according to the Wimber and Wineskinners is having a climatic experience with the spirit.

http://www.piney.com/VineyardIntimacy.html

That's the ABSOLUTE meaning of Sorcery and the machinery with the most powerful and addictive witchery power was MUSIC. Modern Medicine affirms.



    
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Re: This thread is VERY curious

December 31 2012, 3:01 PM 

"B" said:

Jesus explicitly told us to remember His death, which we do every first day of the week when we take the Lord's Supper; He never said anything about remembering His birth. Still...men took it upon themselves to remember His birth in a BIG way. Men have always taken it upon themselves to establish things in the name of "Christian doctrine" that Jesus never told us to do.

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Many books have been witten about "Christmas". Some people even profit from these books. happy.gif

 
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Re: This thread is VERY curious

December 31 2012, 3:17 PM 

Paul called that CORRUPTING the word or "selling learning at retail." The same word defines ADULTERY. That includes SELLING your body writing or performing something that has not been handed to us free of charge. Peter said that it was not subject to "further expounding" which would be adding your own "I thinks" or "Umms and Ahhs" to that which is written for our learning. A Disciple is a LEARNER or STUDENT. They will not go to worship services now defined as arousal speaking (that effeminate thingy) or other PERFORMANCES known to all to be ways to RESCUEa failing institution.

http://www.piney.com/FathArnoHeresIV.html#12

Arnobius, Musical Mocking VI, p. 479).

"Mocking the belief that Mellonia introduces herself into the entrails, or Limentinus, and that they set themselves to make known what you seek to learn, Arnobius asks--

May it not happen, may it not come to pass, although you craftily conceal it, that the one should take the other's place, deluding, mocking, deceiving, and presenting the appearance of the deity invoked? If the magi, who are so much akin to soothsayers, relate that, in their incantations, pretend gods steal in frequently instead of those invoked; that some of these, moreover, are spirits of grosser substance, who pretend that they are gods, and delude the ignorant by their lies and deceit." (Arnobius Against the Heathen


The Jacob-Cursed and God-Abandoned Levites--the foundation of all instrumental delusion--prophesied with instruments. When you "prophesy" or make yourself a prophets as opposed to the God-gifted PROPHETS the word in the Greek and Hebrew resources is defined as SOOTHSAYING with instruments: they were EXORCISTS. As you can see the word Soothsaying has much the same meaning.

The magicians or soothsayers sang their incantations but Arnobius warned that other "gods" or evil spirits seemed to steal in and, instead of divine truth, delivered lies and deceit. No one can justify instrumental music and performance worship from the Bible or history without lying to God and about God.

Getting the gods or DEAMONS to indwell your body and give you a high gooseflesh quotient as you gooseclap was and is always a sexual arousal.

"If any one perchance thinks that we are speaking calumnies, let him take the books of the Thracian soothsayer (Orpheus the inventor of musical soothsaying), which you speak of as of divine antiquity; and he will find that we are neither cunningly inventing anything, nor seeking means to bring the holiness of the gods into ridicule, and doing so: for we shall bring forward the very verses which the son of Calliope uttered in the Greek, and published abroad in his songs to the human race through out all all ages."



    
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Re: This thread is curious

December 30 2012, 10:09 PM 

I wouldn't get upset over threads like this. There will always be Christmas naysayers. Every year some television documentary rounds up a bunch of "biblical scholars" who discuss the so-called "myth" of Jesus' birth. They do all they can to turn the story of Jesus' birth in Matthew and Luke into a fairy tale. Still...man keeps celebrating Christmas.

 
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2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
 

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