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National Birthdays

December 30 2012, 11:08 PM 

President's Day is celebrated on George Washington's birthday.

Martin Luther King Day on his birthday.

Christmas is celebrated by some as Jesus' birthday, by others as a secular day.

July 4 as National birthday.

Then we have Halloween which is a macabre type of way remembers death.

Thanksgiving which is more a religious day than a secular day.

As does Easter, which remembers the resurrection, at least by some.

Days to end wars such as Armistice Day, now called Veteran's Day, which remembers Veterans, and not just those who died in service.

Decoration Day became Memorial Day, which honors those who died in service.

So there are some national days, and some a combinations of religious and seculary meanings.

Did I leave anything out? Could you argue that there really is [not] a separation of church from state?

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Re: National Birthdays

December 31 2012, 8:56 AM 

Then there are Valentine's Day, Groundhog Day, Columbus Day, Labor Day, New Year's Day, Flag Day, Mother's Day, Father's Day, and Grandparent's Day. There are probably still others that receive less "national" attention.

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Re: Was Jesus Born on Dec. 25? This article says no!

December 31 2012, 8:38 AM 

No cantatas???


"Words of wisdom" from David Fields -- that one.

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Re: Was Jesus Born on Dec. 25? This article says no!

December 31 2012, 11:49 AM 

I told you (and told you) that if you check the Britannica or any musicology resource you will discover that "melody as tunefulness belongs to the 19th century."

If you sang and play the clanging cymbals IN YOUR HEART then Jesus can't use you.

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Re: Was Jesus Born on Dec. 25? This article says no!

December 31 2012, 11:51 AM 

Dave is itching to tell us all about the Christmas cantatas at his church. happy.gif

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Re: Was Jesus Born on Dec. 25? This article says no!

January 3 2013, 12:36 PM 

A yes or no will suffice for the cantatas.


Dave, it's YOU!!!

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Voodoo: Praise and Worship Songs

January 3 2013, 1:23 PM 

It is a historical fact that when you make a people into slaves, the slaves DEFINE your culture.

No one in history failed to understand that self-composed and performed rhetoric, singing and playing in the name of a god (demon) was IDOLATRY. If you give your ATTENDANCE to anything other than the Word then you are an idolater and "having sex with the spirits" is confessed to be the ACT just before the ACT of "giving of substance. In the words of Paul and me, "Fools LOVE to be fooled." happy.gif

Churchy type singing came out of black America: when the masters silenced the drumming meeting, the slaves became Methodists and substituted polyrhythmic hand clapping (body-druming still the primitive drumming on)

See the Voodoo connection with "revival" songs with hand-clapping or "drumming." It derives from Jazz and Rock and Roll an explicit effort to make the spirits come.

Gospel Music as Christian worship music

"A form of black American music derived from church worship services and from spiritual and blues singing. Gospel music spread through song publishing, concerts, recordings, and radio and television broadcasts of religious services from the Great Depression days of the 1930s.

The immediate impetus for gospel music seems to have been

the rise of Pentecostal churches at the end of the 19th century.

Pentecostal shouting is related to speaking in tongues and to circle dances of African origin.

The Stoneites or Christians early on introduced the SHOUTING METHODISTS as an act of worship. That attracted people who wanted instruments.

Recordings of Pentecostal preachers' sermons were immensely popular among American blacks in the 1920s, and recordings of them along with their choral and instrumental accompaniment and congregational participation persisted,

so that ultimately gospel reached the white audience as well.

The voice of the black gospel preacher was affected by black secular performers, and vice versa.

Taking the scriptural direction "Let everything that breathes praise the Lord" (Psalms, 150), Pentecostal churches welcomed timbrels, pianos, organs, banjos, guitars, other stringed instruments, and some brass into their services.

Choirs often featured the extremes of female vocal range in antiphonal counterpoint with the preacher's sermon. Improvised recitative passages, melismatic singing, and extravagant expressivity also characterize gospel music. (See Pentecostalism.)

Other forms of gospel music have included the singing and acoustic guitar playing of itinerant street preachers; individual secular performers, sometimes accompanied by bands; and harmonizing male quartets, usually singing a cappella, whose acts included dance routines and stylized costumes.

Black music helped destroy the Black Family and a CHURCH NEAR YOU has absorbed it in their ears 24/7 and are COMPELLED to answer NO when Jesus asks "could you not tarry with me for one hour?" No, no, no!

John told you that it was sorcery or witchcraft and that witches are cast alive into the lake of fire. Yes, Yes, Yes pleads the ACU workshops CALL for God's Holy Fire.

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