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Re: The House Promised to David is the Ekklesia or Church of Christ

January 16 2013, 5:52 PM 

1 Chron 21:30 But David could not go before it to enquire of God: for he was afraid because of the sword of the angel of the Lord.

Ken, was that forever? Or was it one instance?

1 Chron 28
2 King David rose to his feet and said: Listen to me, my fellow Israelites, my people. I had it in my heart to build a house as a place of rest for the ark of the covenant of the Lord, for the footstool of our God, and I made plans to build it. 3 But God said to me, You are not to build a house for my Name, because you are a warrior and have shed blood.

4 Yet the Lord, the God of Israel, chose me from my whole family to be king over Israel forever. He chose Judah as leader, and from the tribe of Judah he chose my family, and from my fathers sons he was pleased to make me king over all Israel. 5 Of all my sonsand the Lord has given me manyhe has chosen my son Solomon to sit on the throne of the kingdom of the Lord over Israel. 6 He said to me: Solomon your son is the one who will build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father. 7 I will establish his kingdom forever if he is unswerving in carrying out my commands and laws, as is being done at this time.

19 All this, David said, I have in writing as a result of the Lords hand on me, and he enabled me to understand all the details of the plan.

1 Chron 29
26 David son of Jesse was king over all Israel. 27 He ruled over Israel forty yearsseven in Hebron and thirty-three in Jerusalem. 28 He died at a good old age, having enjoyed long life, wealth and honor. His son Solomon succeeded him as king.

Ken, David was matter how pathetic you come with your nagging, and snively comments. He DANCED....He PLAYED....He sinned....he repented....he LOVED God.....and God LOVED him.

The key point here is that the only reason you put him down as feminine and to up your ante with your personal opinion of how YOU want worship to be for God.
God spells it out plain enough without you adding to it.

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Re: The House Promised to David is the Ekklesia or Church of Christ

January 16 2013, 6:38 PM 

Since God "turned the Jews over to WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST (Acts7 trumps the boasts of David), there is nothing in the laws of the MONARCHY which came with God's approval. God gave the kings IN HIS ANGER and took them away IN HIS ANGER.

It seems impossible for the PRESENT SPAWN of scholars, preachers and elders to grasp that the Civil-Military-Clergy complex was NOT commanded by God. What happens in Washington STAYS in Washington. It has NOTHING to do with the RELIGIOUS sector. Those where NEVER connected in any ancient society other than by FORCE. Here is what all SCHOLARS know including the Church Fathers who deny that the Monarchy had any relationship to the Ekklesia, synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness. God made laws to PREVENT the godly people from going inside the gates when the obscene blood and flesh lust was taking place.

If you cannot RIGHTLY DIVIDE the Collection of Documents which were NOT in a book and in a scroll about 100 years BC then you might want to decide whether you believe in CHRIST Who inspired the PROPHETS but not the Scribe's accounts of the Jacob-cursed, God-abandoned tribe of Levi who would execute even DAVID it he had not been starving: some favor.

Coffman's Commentary

Speaks for the total Bible view that Israel's rejection of God as King, Judge and Priest set the stage for their later repudiation of Jesus Christ in order to keep the evil Temple-System like all other nations. Remember that the clergy was still seeking a king "like the nations" and had not a hint of looking for a Spiritual King, Prince and Mediator:

The great Cambridge scholar, Henry McKeating, has the following comment on this passage from Hosea:

"Hosea is not only antagonistic to the northern kings but to the monarchy as such. The monarchy is powerless to save the nation. Israel was wrong to ask for a king. Her punishment was that she got what she asked." 7: Henry McKeating, Amos, Hosea, and Micah (Cambridge: University Press, 1971), p. 148.

Coffman: "We are aware that it is popular among many able commentators today to make apologies for Israel's monarchy and to apply what the Scriptures plainly say about it to some specific monarch, Saul, for example, as did Dummelow, or to the kings of Northern Israel as did Hailey;

but it is the conviction of this writer that
Israel was totally and completely wrong in asking a king and that this rejection of God (that is what the text calls it) contained embryonically all of the later sorrows of the Chosen People.

Throughout the whole history of Israel, there were very few monarchs who even tried to serve the Lord. Solomon was to be blamed for the division of the kingdom under his son, because the people simply rejected the excesses of Solomon; and yet, even after God took the monarchy away from them, the nation wanted nothing in heaven or on earth as much as they wanted the restoration of that scandalous Solomonic empire.

It was this, more than anything else,

that motivated their rejection of God Himself,
finally and irrevocably,
in their rejection of God's Son, Jesus Christ the Holy One.

Go down the list of Israel's kings, David, the very best of all of them, was an adulterer and a murderer; and he also corrupted the worship of God by two sinful things:

his initiating the events that led to the building of the temple (the den of thieves and robbers in Jesus' times); and

(2) his introduction of instruments of music into the worship of God. We do not have the space here to outline all of the misdeeds of Israel's shameful monarchy,

but it is clear enough that God's disapproval of the monarchy was no late thing, applicable only to the phantom kings of Ephraim's final years, but it rested upon the monarchy from the very beginning of it as outlined in this chapter.

If God had ever approved of it, He would never have taken it away from them! Nevertheless, God accommodated to the sinful conduct of His people and in many specific instances blessed the kings of Israel,

I don't know a preacher or modern "scholar" who can digest that: the do not have A holy spirit or A good conscience, consciousness or the ability to READ the Old Testament or even HEAR it when it was READ as the ONLY pattern for the synagogue or ekklesia.

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Re: The House Promised to David is the Ekklesia or Church of Christ

January 16 2013, 9:36 PM 

The "called out" are indeed the House of David, as implied in Matthew chapter 1, where Jesus is in the lineage of the Davidic kings. Experiences in the Old Testament, not only from the first selection of a king until the exile and pathetic return to Jersualem, when the temple was rebuilt--but also the continual rebellion against God's will during the time of the Judges-build a powerful account leading to the ascent of Jesus Christ, and the establishment of His divine kingdom. This time it is not a political but a spiritual kingdom. The elevation of David in the Old Testament is undoubtedly an accomplished fact in the Old Scriptures but it serves IRONICALLY to herald the kingdom prepared for by John the Baptizer, and then by Jesus Christ which is as POWERFUL spiritually as the Davidic kingdom was politically and militarily.

The elevation of David is positive only if that replacement is viewed as supporting our new King Jesus Christ. There is a tremendous difference in elevating David as forerunner of Jesus Christ and elevating him as an image, model, or an idol of some type of restoration of represssive civilian authoritarianism in the land of Palestine as painted by our contemporary televangelists. Much harm is done by contemporary televangelists who are waiting for the rebuilding of the temple on the foundation stones that remain in present-day Jerusalem. Such an attempt will ultimately end in Wagner's Gotterdammerung!

Elevate David, but only if you transpose his influence from the political to the spiritual and chose Jesus Christ as his antitype.

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Re: The House Promised to David is the Ekklesia or Church of Christ

January 16 2013, 10:10 PM 

Well said but we really have to worry about a group with the highest conferable degrees actually rest their purpose driven discord on David and the Civil-Military-clergy FORK away from the Spiritual kingdom.

This is something of "Biblical Proportions" and we have lived to answer WWJD? I am afraid that it is a view dominating the training and preaching of both (or all) wings of the Restoration Movement.

This corruption is dragging our culture down with it.

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The HOUSE that Solomon built and Jerusalem used "prophesiers" and killed the prophets.

January 16 2013, 10:38 PM 

Galatians 5 defines what most of the literature defined. Paul connects religious music with WITCHCRAFT.

The Church Fathers had no problem reading the Word nor a shortage of ethics not to twist it. John Chrysostom Commentary on Galatians.

Galatians 5:1.-"With freedom did Christ set us free; stand fast therefore.115 ."
Ver. 12.
"I would that they which unsettle you would even cut themselves off." And he says well "that unsettle you."
"A man that is heretical after the first and second admonition refuse." (Tit. iii: 10) If they will,

let them not only be circumcised, but mutilated.
Where then are those who dare to mutilate themselves; seeing that they draw down the Apostolic curse, and accuse the workmanship of God, and take part with the Manichees? ... But if you will not allow this, why do you not mutilate the tongue for blasphemy, the hands for rapine, the feet for their evil courses, in short, the whole body? For the ear enchanted by the sound of a flute hath often enervated the soul;
and the perception of a sweet perfume by the nostrils hath bewitched the mind, and made it frantic for pleasure .

John identified the crafty speakers, singers and instrument players as SORCERERS. Therefore, who can doubt

The Iamblichus

There are some, however, who suppose there is likewise, the subject-race of a tricky nature, artful, and assuming all shapes, turning many ways, that personates gods and dæmons and souls of the dead like actors on the stage; and that through these everything that seems to be good or bad is possible. They are led to form this judgment because these subject-spirits are not able to contribute anything really beneficial as relates to the soul, nor even to perceive such things; but on the other hand, they ill treat, deride, and often impede those who are returning to virtue.

They are likewise full of conceit, and take delight in vapors and sacrifices.


5. Because the begging priest with open mouth attempts in many ways to raise our expectations. Note 13

13. The agurtes or begging priest generally belonged to the worship of Rhea [ZOE] or Cybele, the Mother. He is frequently depicted in a most unfavorable light. Apuleius speaks of a company of these emasculate priests in the eighth book of the Metamorphoses. They are also described in the Republic of Plato:

"Agurtæ and Mantics frequent the houses of the rich and persuade them that they possess a power granted by the gods to expiate,by sacrifices and chants any unjust act that has been committed and that they induce the gods by blandishments and magic rites to help them.

They collected money in this way, and they also followed the selling of nostrums and telling of fortunes."

122 ["The vivid realization of the doings of his opponents, who were not ashamed to resort even to such falsehood, now wrings from his soul a strong and bitterly sarcastic wish of holy indignation."-Meyer.

Paul wishes that the circumcisers would not stop with circumcision but go beyond it to mutilation (make themselves eunuchs) like the priests of Cybele. A severe irony and similar to the one in Phil. iii:2, 3, where Paul calls the boasters of circumcision "the Concision." Self mutilation was a recognized form of heathen worship especially in Pessinus in Galatia and therefore quite familiar to the readers. Thus by their glorying in the flesh the Galatians relapsed into their former heathenism,-Schaff and Lightfoot. The Revised Version here has, "would even cut themselves off," the American Committee has, "would go beyond circumcision."-G. A.]

Ken Cukrowski at ACU wants to add female prophets to the destitute Institute.

Sorcerers pretend that you do not exist: they have trapped enough to make them rick and infamous.

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