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Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 9 2013 at 3:45 PM
Ken  (Login Ken.Sublett)
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Teaching congregational singing has gotten the attention of several groups in Korea.

http://m.bible.kr/acapella.htm


    
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Donnie
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Re: Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 11 2013, 1:26 AM 

Congregational singing when the saints assemble may be a losing art or skill among a few "progressive" and denomination-driven, apostatizing churches of Christ. When the "Praise Team" [a.k.a. "Church of Christ" Baptist CHOIR] DOMINATES, the congregants become dependent upon the CHOIR doing the singing for them. The Praise Team concept is performance-driven, especially when the song books are no longer in use and when the words are displayed on the big screen without musical notes. Oh, those handheld microphones -- I just wonder what the Lord thinks about the NOISE. [Is God deaf? Does God hear the Praise Team instead of the overpowered congregants who are without the microphones?]

Worse yet is when contemporary "Christian" music, written with instrumental music and the "Christian rock" performing artist in mind, is sung as a "praise" song by the congregation. The congregants experience the P.T.D.S. Yes, it is a spiritual anomaly (disease) a.k.a. the Praise Team Dependency Syndrome. Is it a wonder that contemporary pieces are noted for this composition or 7/11 style: repeat a line of 7 words 11 times? And when music is too complicated (by design), only the Praise Team can perform it well.

Substitute instrumental music for the Praise Team. What would be the difference?

So, what can apostatizing churches learn from the Korean church concerning congregational singing?

 
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Re: Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 16 2013, 6:00 PM 

The Preacher's Files
Sermon outlines, Bible Studies, Audio Sermons and more by preachers for the church of Christ.
By Mike Riley

Is The Bible Complete?

Additionally, James 1:25 states, But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. The word perfect in this passage is translated from the Greek word, teleios which signifies having reached its end (telos), finished, complete, perfect. In James 1:25, the word is referring to the complete revelation of Gods will and ways, whether in the completed Scriptures or in the hearafter (Vines, 1996, p. 466).

I left out a few paragraphs from Mr. Riley because I had already posted the whole file PLUS B (William Crump) and everyone else had seen the whole file too.


William Crump (B)
How about grousing and purging on that?
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Understanding your narcissistic personality, I do understand why you continue to wage war on anyone who questions you B.

Tom Brite hit the nail on the head.....doesn't matter your civilian status, but what is in your heart.

Dave Fields_________
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Re: Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 15 2013, 9:10 AM 

Donnie said "Substitute instrumental music for the Praise Team. What would be the difference?"

The praise team is a capella. It wouldn't actually be a valid substitution Donnie. if you substitute the instrumental music for the praise team, then you don't have anyone singing. Even with contemporary Christian music, you have singing.

Dave Fields______
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Donnie
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Re: Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 15 2013, 11:31 PM 

You are correct, Dave [next time ... for the readers' sake, identify yourself and own your message -- don't be shy].

There's no argument that the man-organized "Praise Team" in the "progressive/liberal" Church of Christ is a cappella. However, when you identify a special group of singers performing on stage [or in the front rows] with their individual microphones as a "Praise Team," you imply that the congregants are not part of the organized, worship-rehearsing "Praise Team."

You're correct, Dave. The "Praise Team" is God's "special" singers. The congregants are NOT members of the "Praise Team."

Does your congregation where you serve as an elder have a "Praise Team"? If not, how is your singing, anyway?

 
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Donnie
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"Even with contemporary Christian music, you have singing. "

January 16 2013, 1:27 AM 

That's a remarkable assertion, Dave Fields.

What about "with contemporary Christian RAP music"?

The Praise Team is comprised of both men and WOMEN who "serve" as co-worship leaders. NOTE: WOMEN leading "worship."

Not long ago at Madison [I think it was in December], there were 2 ladies "in pants" co-leading with the men on stage -- each one had a handheld microphone performing before the congregation. The following Sunday, same "worship" act on stage with the ladies in pants. [Rocky, I said: "ladies in pants." sad.gif ] What a sight in a "Church of Christ" assembly!!! (Never mind that it is not uncommon in Charismatic Churches.)

Dave, would you invite Amy Grant or Michael W. Smith or Chris Tomlin or Rebecca St. James, et al, to perform "contemporary Christian music" at your congregation? You know, they can really sing, and you have singing.

 
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Re: Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 16 2013, 8:45 AM 

Whatever you want to say Donnie....you don't want to learn...you have an agenda....a tradition to uphold....your own and one not of our Lord's. Going round and round in circles.
Since you are into man-made traditions, then I will give you a man-made saying.

Albert Einstein said, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

William Crump, this would be a good place to ask me about proving where the completed Word of God (66 books) is complete.

Dave Fields_________
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B
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Re: Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 16 2013, 1:07 PM 

Well, we know Dave never could show us where the Scriptures say the biblical canon is limited to 66 books. That's because God never said that--Dave and other men did. Therefore, this thing about 66 books is nothing but man-made tradition, to which Dave ardently subscribes.

So before Dave razzes Donnie and others about the evils of following man-made traditions, he needs to strengthen his own weak theology by first purging it of those same man-made traditions.

 
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Donnie
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Dave's a Follower of Man-Made Tradition

January 16 2013, 9:55 PM 

I do not recall having initiated a man-made tradition in Christ's church. But I know of a man-made, pope- or Roman Catholic Church-approved tradition, i.e., blowing the trumpet, playing the piano or flute or harp or sackbut (Daniel 3) in the assembly. That's really man-made tradition that Dave would like to practice; but so far as I know, it's not [yet] happening in the congregation he "shepherds."

 
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B
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Re: Dave's a Follower of Man-Made Tradition

January 16 2013, 10:29 PM 

Dave seems to think that a cappella singing in churches of Christ is a man-made tradition. He still can't grasp the fact that God specifies vocal music in the New Testament and stops there. Dave also can't grasp the fact that the man-made tradition lies in ADDING instrumental music when God only specifies vocal music.

Oh yeah, another man-made tradition that Dave follows is the business about 66 books.

 
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Re: Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 16 2013, 10:36 PM 

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"B", I feel responsible for you being stuck on that limb. Let me help you Bro. Now just keep your eyes on the watch.........happy.gif

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 16 2013, 10:42 PM 

And there goes any hope of appealing to some adult Korean disciples.

 
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Rocky
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Re: Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 17 2013, 10:40 AM 

Ken, I'm sorry if I disrupted your thread. Simple "humor" can be universal. Maybe some of the Korean disciples got a chuckle. Have a good day!

 
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Re: Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 16 2013, 10:46 PM 

Maybe someday Rocky will actually become as influential as he imagines himself to be at present. happy.gif

 
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Re: Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 17 2013, 12:58 PM 

"B", I'm almost there. happy.gif (Spoof)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjpKMbt0U_g

 
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Re: Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 17 2013, 1:38 PM 

Give it a few years...maybe decades. happy.gif

 
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Re: Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 17 2013, 4:48 PM 

"B", I did have "three eggs" for breakfast... scrambled well, along with bacon and pancakes. I watched the "Rocky" video more times than I care to admit. What an inspiring song and video!

Thanks to the Korean Pops Orchestra for this (secular) performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_oVI42RrXo

 
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Re: Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 17 2013, 3:06 PM 

Can't print everything you see, can you boys?

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Most assuredly....I understand!


Protect him.....at all cost! Even to hell...

Dave Fields________
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In case one wonders who "Anonymous" (pronounced "Annie Mouse") is.


    
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Re: Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 17 2013, 7:14 PM 

Dave, would it make you happy if you could send to hell every person on this site who doesn't agree with your weak theology?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

January 17 2013, 10:51 PM 

Annie Mouse serves the same function as imposed instrumental music which means and intends to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." However, it is important to see that the truth can survive without the limp-wristed treatment of other forums.

Prophesying which ACU and Pepperdine are bent on reviving is called soothsaying. Miriam and the Levites soothsayed with instruments

Jer 23:25 I have heard what the prophets said,
....That prophesy lies in my name,
....saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
Jer 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies?
....yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams,
....which they tell every man to his neighbour,
....as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal. Jer 23:27
The prophet that hath a dream,
....let him tell a dream;
....and he that hath my word,
....let him speak my word faithfully.
....What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord. Jer 23:28
Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord;
....and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Jer 23:29
Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord,
....that steal my words every one from his neighbour. Jer 23:30
Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord,
....that use their tongues, and say, He saith. Jer 23:31
Jer 23:32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the Lord,
....and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness;
....yet I sent them not, nor commanded them:
....Therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the Lord.


 
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