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Donnie
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ConcernedMembersMadison
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Re: Going Around

March 9 2013, 9:39 PM 

Many folks, young and old, third graders and scholars, can read and quote Matt. 28:19 -- just like you. You should know by now that it is a complex issue to peoples of the world. It is probably more complex than the issue of one being baptized (buried with Christ in baptism) IN ORDER TO receive forgiveness of sins.

If someone were to ask you to explain baptism, I'm sure you would not hesitate for one moment to let the New Testament speak or at least explain your viewpoint.

So, B, we know about the Father and the Son, but what is or who is that "Holy Spirit" mentioned in Matt. 28:19? Do we envision the Holy Spirit as a dove descending from heaven? Do we envision the Holy Spirit, not as a "person" entity, but as a "thing" entity? And so, what is his/her/its gender? Or, is it Jesus Christ as a spirit in his DIVINE nature?

OK, this is your opportunity to REALLY simplify it for us. (No need to quote it for us and to use it as your premise; we've memorized the verse since primary school. It is the TOPIC of our discussion.)

 
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B
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74.179.204.7

Re: Going Around

March 9 2013, 10:09 PM 

I've already mentioned it many times before; you just won't accept it. That's OK. You have a different concept of the Godhead than I do. As I said before, your concept is fine, but so is mine, because the New Testament does NOT make a salvation issue out of our concept of the Godhead. And once again, this is NOT a salvation issue, because the New Testament does not command us to believe the Godhead is arranged this way or that way in order to be saved or in order to live the Christian life. Non-salvation issues allow differences of opinions.

Of course, some folks mistakenly make the Godhead a salvation issue by implying that those who do not agree with their personal concept of the Godhead are lost. Saying that someone is lost over a non-salvation issue is blatant arrogance.

 
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Serious
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Re: Going Around

March 9 2013, 5:51 PM 

"This forum is the only School of the Word: It IS an ekklesia or synagogue because it follows the direct command of the Spirit OF Christ from the wilderness onward and never changed."

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Ken, you're freaking me out! I thought this was a discussion forum?

 
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B
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74.179.249.129

Re: Going Around

March 9 2013, 6:13 PM 

Serious, Ken has become obsessed with "power," since he is one of the moderators here. Naturally, he "contributes" more posts [if you can wade through all the verbiage] than any other poster.

 
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Donnie
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ConcernedMembersMadison
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Obsessed with "Power"

March 9 2013, 10:12 PM 

Hmmm ... "since he is one of the moderators." Personally, from your standpoint, why did you make that statement? Are you saying that if you had been asked and given the task to moderate ... that you would become obsessed with "power" just the same?

Don't remind Ken of this "power" thing. Why? Because that's been the farthest thing from Ken's mind. He is resourceful, and he is full of knowledge; but at the same time he is a very humble Christian.

Can he be angry on occasion? Of course, who can't be? Remember when Jesus confronted those who made his "Father's house an house of merchandise"? Read John 2 or the other gospels. The only difference is that Jesus "made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables...."

Don't insult Ken for his years and years of research and Bible study -- you call it "verbiage." Perhaps, I should admit it and say that I have a lot of catching up to do when I'm behind.

 
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Ken Sublett
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70.197.163.252

Re: Going Around

March 9 2013, 6:17 PM 

Yes, I told you that this is the ONLY ekklesia or School of the Word which permits ANY discussion.

If you actually post Biblical statements you actually contribute to the discussion.

In violation to the claim of Paul in 1 Corinthians discussing Isaiah 33, there will BE NO PODIUMS [towers] in the house of the Lord and no takers of shekels, preachers are usually so minimally prepared that they cannot tolerate anyone asking a question or reading the WHOLE verse of which they read only verse 3d and then composed the rest of the sermon.

A podium in church architecture is the Holy Place: that is why no "common material" can enter or MOUNT without semi-divine approval. When heretical "Musical Worship Teams" stand on the podium and CLAIM the power to lead you into the presence of God they ARE defined as Abominations Standing in the Holy Place: this is a sign to MARK AND AVOID because the "towers will fall."

These abominaters CLAIM that 2 Chronicles 29 is the example of God COMMANDING instrumental praise. In fact, God's COMMAND (contained in the chapter) was to STAND IN RANKS and make loud NOISE to warn any godly person that they had better be OUTSIDE THE WALLS or they would be EXECUTED.

Christ denied that God commanded that to which He Abandoned them BECAUSE of Musical Idolatry at Mount Sinai..

The earthly pattern of the Holy Place was that any person--even a Levite not on duty--that came near or IN that type of the future Spiritual Church were to be EXECUTED by their brethren.

The Madison Virtual "F" word with the youth very well defines the MARKS of God driving His enemies into Hell: they are the same wind, string and percussion instruments which Lucifer (the singing and harp playing prostitute) brought with her / it into the Garden of Eden where Eve was WHOLLY SEDUCED.

If the female leaders at Grace-Centered Magazine Forum even got a hint that you were quoting Scripture which refutes their EXPANDED TRINITY they would boot you out so fast you would think that someone was challenging a Testosterone-Free Zone.

 
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Serious!
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Wagon Hitched

March 9 2013, 8:20 PM 

Ken, just gimme three steps...toward the door...and you'll never see me no more!

 
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Donnie
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ConcernedMembersMadison
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Re: Wagon Hitched

March 9 2013, 11:05 PM 

It "seems" like a "reality show." It is really at such a point that the events unfolding and occurring at Madison before our eyes are predictions-coming-to-pass. As you may know, folks are likely to be more credulous to reports coming from sources other than Donnie. So, inform us when you can.

 
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Ken Sublett
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ConcernedMembersMadison
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Re: HISTORIC views of the Trinity: Frank Jamerson Blasphemy of Holy Spirit

March 9 2013, 3:46 PM 

"B" and his other personalities always intended to stop the discussion of the Biblical text by saying that HE never read our posts. If you don't know the meaning of God and and Jesus Whom HE MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ then I don't know how one CAN be interested.

Can you be a CHURCH if you don't know the meaning of a DISCIPLE of Christ and have a "Makes Works Project" with a massive propaganda effort to convince everyone -- as claimed by Rubel Shelly when the attack first began -- that "Church is ONLY about worship" and of course he thinks that worship is watching a rhetorical and musical performance speaking and singing NON-commanded songs and sermons.

Can you be a disciple of Christ if you can only repeat the Great Commission?

John who recorded Jesus who promised another Paraclete and said "I WILL COME TO YOU" also said that the another Paraclete (Holy Spirit) is NAMED Jesus Christ the Righteous in His Holy Spirit or changed nature.

John said that if you reject the absolutely clear statement of

1. The ONE God the Father in Heaven
2. And the ONE Lord or Ruler of His Kingdom with no NEED to discuss the "spirit" or "breath" (to fool the foolish)
3. Then you are an ANTI-CHRIST because you reject that ALL of the authority of the always-pagan TRIADS being vested in a SINGULAR IMAGE OR VISUAL AID: the MAN Jesus Christ.

If people REFUSE to read the other posts then maybe there is no need for them to know. The non-readers include all of the "scholars" and preachers who lust to infiltrate and betray happy Churches of Christ dedicated to being dispensers of the word. They OBVIOUSLY cannot read this:

1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God,
and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


1. The Spirit OF CHRIST in Paul could have said "There are three persons in the Family Of God but THEY are just one in purpose."

2. Paul led by Jesus of Nazareth as the Spirit OF Christ knew about always-pagan triads.

3. Therefore, to CLAIM that the Spirit OF God was just plain too ignorant to make "THEMSELVES" understood is despising God and that too is called blaspheming the Holy Spirit OF Christ. [sorry they missed that class on prepositions 101]

4. However, the preachers who refuse to "teach that which has been taught" claim that THEY have evolved to be able to explain what historic scholars who relied on the Apostolic Record always repudiate

5. Therefore, We, the "fleecees" have a right to quit feeding you until you quite stealing sermons from the internet.

1. If you SAY that the "godhead" (not in the text) is really three independent centers of consciousness each with THEIR own special TALENTS (John Mark Hicks, LU).

2. And ALL of the Bible says that there is ONE GOD and there are NO OTHER GODS. And He says that HE did it ALL Himself. And the WORD of God IS that which the ONE GOD speaks

3. Then the Spirit OF Christ in Jeremiah 23 says that you DESPISE the word and that word is spelled BLASPHEMY of the Holy Spirit OF Christ.






 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: HISTORIC views of the Trinity: Frank Jamerson Blasphemy of Holy Spirit

March 9 2013, 4:03 PM 

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Ken Sublett
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ConcernedMembersMadison
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CLEAR explaination of Father, Spirit and Word as One God SPEAKS words

March 9 2013, 5:44 PM 

God gets the last Word through the Living WORD: Hiding from the clergy (Scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites meaning self-speakers, singers and instrument players) is one of those MYSTERIES which Christ only permits to those who have A holy spirit by obeying in baptism and know that they are enrolling in the School (only) of Christ (only in the prophets and apostles).

That is is an INSPIRED CONCEPT persons who SELL the Word by equating their words to the Text because God HIDES the Spiritual songs (inspired) in PLAIN SIGHT. I think that is one of the most wonderful jokes God pulls on those who have the gall to say that the Olden Bible has been outdated because they can use their witchcraft (Ignatian Meditation, Centering Pray at LU) to get the TRUE message.

They cannot grasp that STRONG DELUSIONS (playing the "F" act in the youth group) is always manifested in Lying Wonders which means singing, playing, acting in Religious Services.

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