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Happy Easter Sunday 2013 at Madison

March 31 2013 at 5:23 PM
Donnie  (Login Donnie.Cruz)
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For a number of years after the church upheaval in 2001, it was either an "Easter drama worship" or an "interactive Easter worship." (I think the drama has run out of dramatic themes or scenes to portray the resurrection of Christ every year.)

In 2013, it was something else -- at the moment I have no word or words to describe all the events that occurred at the Madison "worship center." No, it wasn't about the children and the Easter bunny or Easter rabbit or the Easter eggs. Rather, adults were involved in the Easter flowering of several crosses in the auditorium -- and this was done during the Lord's Supper while the shepherds' [employed] "Worship Leader" and his co-worship leading team of two men and two WOMEN were on stage performing.

[I'm offering the opportunity for Scripture or anyone who's willing to describe in more detail what took place today at "the worship center." Perhaps, Scripture can document for us what took place from the start of the Communion when the quartet went on stage to deliver the rehearsed, programmed worship, the "poem/narrative" reading, etc.?]

There's so much confusion surrounding the "Easter" observance. At least from the standpoint of what the Bible teaches about the suffering and death of Christ about which we commemorate "in remembrance of me." The New Testament refers to: "this is my body" and "this cup is the new testament in my blood." That's about the Lord's Supper. That is not about the resurrection.

I believe that the "progressive" messengers in "progressive" churches are sending the wrong message. The "Easter Sunday" celebration at Madison and other "progressive" congregations of the church of Christ is so programmed, in the first place, designed for a TV production. "God's [semi-professional] elite singers" are ON STAGE to perform during this [pagan-originated-in-the-name-of-religion] Easter celebration. And that's supposed to be concerning the "resurrection" of Christ.

The placement of "the Lord's Supper" [to remember the Lord's death] in the midst this Happy Easter "celebration" is not necessarily what the New Testament instructs the church to do.

Here's the dilemma that the church should be concerned about. We observe the Lord's suffering and death on the cross on the first day of the week -- this is scriptural. But shouldn't the Happy Easter proponents be willing to prepare to skillfully program EVERY FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK the Easter celebration with the Lord's Supper as part of it?

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The Virtual Crosses of Flowers

March 31 2013, 6:44 PM 

Everyone was a surprised as the little girl was, who on gathering her Easter eggs in her basket, saw none since the girl next to her was getting her eggs, one by one, and putting them in her own basket. The little girls had to do a double-take when on collecting her last egg she discovered there were no eggs left in her basket. This was the scene recently on a "candid camera" type show.

Well, "Palm Sunday" attendees as they were called last week, were instructed to bring a flower to "Easter Sunday." Little did they know, the extent to which, the elders were willing to surrender their leadership [or did they plan it themselves?] to the new "worship leaders." Increasingly, if it difficult to determine from where these plans come. But the attendees were as shocked as the little girl with her empty Easter basket.

The "praise team" was supplemented by five on stage, three men and two women, who sang song after song during the Lord's Supper while the attendees were asked to get up from their seats during the Supper and carry their flower to constructed crosses in the balcony and in the lower auditorium, where they deposited them to form a "flower cross" so that all could truly appreciate his occasion. The bread and the fruit of the vine was gathered by the crowd, as they went down, and a "shepherd" was sure to be there, and attendees were instructed to hug and share verbally the marvelous gift of the Christ. Actually, I didn't see any hugging or verbal interchange. It's not sure how those unable to walk easily were to get to the table, but I suppose someone could take them the bread and the cup.

Not only were some emotionally projected upward by this occasion, but it is an absolute certainty that some may have been shocked by how they were manipulated by this surprise use of their flower. Some remarked that in all of history, they had never been instructed by "worship leaders" or "elders" to bring any flowers on Easter Sunday. Generally the old pioneers left the development of the church to the grass-roots level, for each Christian to read his or her Bible, and demonstrate their Christianity from knowledge and teaching, not from deceit and manipulation [could we say?].

At the end, we were left not with crosses of the imagination, as Paul refers to in the early chapters of 1 Corinthians, but with virtual crosses of flowers. It appears doubtful that Paul had in mind the building of any figure such as these in the worship of Christ and God. The cross in 1 Corinthians is described more as a mental motivation for the mercy of God, rather than a real, concrete, crafted image rather than a crafted [graven] tangible object. The Vatican would be quite impressed with the concretization of the church this Sunday. The ten commandments instructed that "no graven image" be created by Israel, and the New Testament shows that the new covenant is not to be "engrave in stone" but is to be instilled in the heart.

Our crosses, should stay in the heart, but this may not be understandable by a generation who to be spiritual, have to have a concrete [perhaps idolatrous] expression on the first Sunday after the Jewish Passover. These crosses were not in the heart, but in the auditorium. The Lutherans and the Catholics could not ask for more.

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April 1 2013, 12:25 AM 

You guys make me laugh! You observations could not be more skewed. As a long time member. ALL I saw was verbal exchange, hugging and an outpouring of love during communion. This was a great day for our church family. Please stop "reporting" things that simply aren't true. No one feels manipulated or appalled. Get over it and move on. Madison has!! Our Shepherds, Jason, Chris and our other leaders are leading us to see and be Christ to this community.

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April 1 2013, 1:05 AM 

Lovin' Madison:

I was there more than a decade ago when the eldership made the announcement to the congregation: "Get over it; we must move on." That was at the time when the elders themselves were divided over a number of issues.

Well, several elders resigned or left or went somewhere else. Hundreds of members decided to get over it, moved on and sought fellowship somewhere else.

The New Testament clearly specifies the qualifications for the office of an elder. In regard to the "other leaders," being a "worship leader" is not an office.

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April 4 2013, 9:18 AM 

You're an idiot.

"I approved this message."

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Calling someone an idiot

April 5 2013, 10:48 AM 

Matthew 5:22 But I say, if you are even angry with someone, you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell. NLT

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Re: Wowzers

April 7 2013, 8:46 AM 

And you a Graduate one of our Christian Universities, I guess we can see what is worse. An Idiot looks pretty good.

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Re: The Virtual Crosses of Flowers

April 1 2013, 12:29 AM 

Scripture, thanks so much for the very well-written documentation of today's made-for-TV, programmed "Easter Sunday services" at the Madison Church's "[entertainment] worship center." I wonder if it was in competition with the other neighboring Community Church, the Cornerstone Church? One difference is that the latter had its parking lot still full by 2:30 p.m.

[Give up the competition, Madison. "Other" Community Churches already have what the Madison "elders" [going by the kinder and gentler designation of "shepherds"] are just now discovering and implementing to keep the youth -- PLUS much more!!! Know that such a particular youth group doesn't care much for the half-baked entertainment that a confused, struggling church of Christ congregation offers.]

I wasn't in attendance during the "pre-Palm Sunday" announcement for the congregants to bring a flower. What a "sight and sound" today that extended way beyond the "Lord's Supper" activity!!! It made me wonder how the congregants really thought and felt during the "solemn" occasion of REMEMBERING THE DEATH of our Savior.

I believe that the elders now have no control whatsoever over what goes on in the assembly. In the first place, the purpose for the gathering of saints has been lost. The leaders [i.e., elders], of all people, have already made the transition: (1) from the assembly being that of students of God's truth (2) to the assembly of music lovers. "Worship" is now music for the most part [alright, find that in your New Testament] and studying God's truth is the least part.

There seemed to be no end to the singing performances on stage while the congregants were in motion to the table for the "Lord's Supper" and to the constructed cross "near you" for the flower. The participants were only half of the congregation it used to be. Can you imagine if the original 3,000 members, plus hundreds of visitors, participated in this seemingly chaotic event? By the way, I think the elders' wives were also requested or available to assist their husbands with the Communion task.

And who was that lady on stage that sang that long song with the others in the background? She sure sounded like a hired professional. She might as well have been the "Worship Leader." And why not ... based on what's going on at Madison these days?

What's going on seems to be odder by the week. If it's not clapping [which according to your observation, as well as mine, is minimal but still distracting], it is "hugging" or "verbal interchange." And no one does it? These leaders do not even seem to recognize the difference between "spontaneity" and "programmed/rehearsed."

It now appears that we should be prepared for the regularity of the appearances of "The Final Four" ["quartet"] on stage with the "Worship Leader" [oh, that one who leads us to God's holy presence]. They [the two women with the two men] were at first appearing (on stage) only during the last song. Hmm, "boiling the frog" in action and is almost over.

I think "boiling the frog" may be here for a while in regard to instrumental music. This may require the passing of a generation first.

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Re: Happy Easter Sunday 2013 at Madison

March 31 2013, 7:19 PM 

You have been invaded by the prophesied SOUL SNATCHERS: some good manly deacons should grab them and eject them. My view is that on the first day of the week we REMEMBER and show forth or PREACH the Death of Jesus. That will PREVENT anyone from thinking they can make a SPECTACLE of Christ things and have the right to LEAD THE WORSHIPERS INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD. That little girl is a METAPHOR.

I believe that two things are taking place in the progressive churches: BACK TO BABYLON

First, this may be subconscious or UNconscious panic trying to defend themselves from the MARKS of being a believer. Many believed but did not obey for fear of being cast out of the synagogue. People will sell their souls if they can escape persecution in their time: Hezekiah held that theory.

John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own:
.....but because ye are not of the world,
.....but I have chosen you out of the world,
.....therefore the world hateth you.

That is an absolute MARK of those who belong to the Lord.
The BEAST in Hebrew and Latin do not warn about four-legged animals but two-legged BEASTS.
Theiron speaks of a Satyric drama (the Ishtar Mark) as well as A New Style of Music or Drama.
Those MARKED by music are hard-wired and in the Bible there is no redemption.,

Second, in literature such as The Book of Enoch, those who have FALLEN and cannot get up are absolutely certain that they are NOT attracting disciples but attracting warm bodies to comfort them until judgment. Knowing that they have driven out half of the owners and are DISCORDING probably half of those left they are quite happy to AFFLICT and persecute anyone who would dare try to remove the mark.

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you,
.....The servant is not greater than his lord.
.....If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you;
.....if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Plato defined this fall and you have to believe that Paul was a disciple.

Plato Gorg. [513a] and so therefore now,
.....whether it is your duty to make yourself as like as possible to the Athenian people,
.....if you intend to win its affection and have great influence in the city:
see if this is to your advantage and mine, that we may not suffer, my distinguished friend,
.....the fate that they say befalls the creatures
.....who would draw down the moonthe hags of Thessaly;1
.....that our choice of this power in the city may not cost us all that we hold most dear.
.....But if you suppose that anyone in the world
.....can transmit to you such an art as will cause you

[513b] to have great power in this state without conforming to its government either for better or for worse, in my opinion you are ill-advised, Callicles; for you must be no mere imitator, but essentially like them, if you mean to achieve any genuine sort of friendship with Demus the Athenian people, ay, and I dare swear, with Demus son of Pyrilampes1 as well. So whoever can render you most like them is the person to make you a statesman in the way that you desire to be a statesman, and a rhetorician;

Rejoice and be glad: there could be no greater proof that the trumpets have sounded. Maybe you can slip in some Testesterone in the WINE VAT of God's wrath (meaning orgy). Paul promised that God would send strong delusions making these people MAD.

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Happy Happy Happy!!! (Phil-Duck Commanders)

April 1 2013, 1:03 PM 

2 Corinthians 12:20
For I am afraid that when I come I may not find you as I want you to be, and you may not find me as you want me to be. I fear that there may be discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, slander, gossip, arrogance and disorder.

HEY!!!--Si Robertson

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Re: Happy Happy Happy!!! (Phil-Duck Commanders)

April 2 2013, 2:52 AM 

Hello, Duck Commander (Dave Fields),

The performances on stage and the activities in the auditorium during the Lord's Supper were real -- NOT gossip. You should have been there, Dave.

The Madison elders and their employed "Worship Leader" with his women co-worship leaders performing on stage just made ex-Pope Benedict and Pope Francis and the entire Vatican community SMILE. One significant thing missing, though, was the statue of the Virgin Mary, "Mother of God."

Next action to take is to donate the crosses of flowers to the Roman Catholic Church in Rome.

I'm afraid, Dave, that the entire Lord's Supper "reality" show was a turn-off to many of the congregants.

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Two questions

April 2 2013, 3:46 PM 

Donnie I was there also. Tell me the basis of your conjecture that the Lord's Supper was a turn off to many of the congregates? Next question. If one continues to attend a gathering dominated by pagan worship, what does that make them? Please don't use the excuse of warning other congregations as that has become a synonym of the story of the boy who cried wolf. Have you ever considered attending maybe St. Josephs or Cornerstone and starting a website to show them how utterly wrong they are?

At one time you almost had me convinced that there were only three people alive today that had a real chance on making it to heaven. Then when B didn't agree completely with the other two I guess that just left two. I guess the rest of us should be glad that it is up to God to do the judging and not a 21st century website.

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Re: Two questions

April 3 2013, 6:15 PM 

What seems to be the biggest turn off to good people is that church leadership and the worship leaders are really lost at what to do with the declining numbers attending church. I do not see anywhere in any of the staged presentations, a message of what Easter means or represents. All you hear is something about easter eggs and the Lord was raised on the third day. Many church members went to Church of Christ universities and have not a clue what the resurrection means. Maybe the script writers for these events would benefit from a little bit of study rather than adjusting the lights, microphones and videos.

As for me the worship leader is nothing. I have never spoken to him, will not acknowledge him and explained to my kids he is the reason the people in the mission fields do with out essentials.

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"Church Leadership and the Worship Leaders"

April 4 2013, 12:01 AM 

Speaking of church leadership in a "progressive" church of Christ, care must be taken. [By "progressive," I mean a congregation of the church of Christ, under the direction of its "leadership," undergoing changes in doctrine and practices in the process of transformation based on the "Community Church" model. This has been "work in progress" at Madison for over a decade now.]

In leadership, to the progressive the word "elders" may connote strictness or meanness, but the word "shepherds" may suggest kindness or gentleness or being forgiving or "feeling your pain," thus, the preferred term ["shepherds"] to refer to the church leaders. Not that the terminology is incorrect or unscriptural, but just watch out when these leaders refer to themselves as such.

What about this -- the elders' wives given the opportunity to serve during the special Lord's Supper event on "Easter Sunday"?

What about this -- does the Madison church still have deacons? Are they extinct now while women speakers are on stage more and more frequently?

Speaking of the "Worship Leader," just know that it is not an office in the body of Christ. Can you imagine if Peter and Paul and the other apostles, or even Christ Himself, would do today if s/he and the "Praise Team" were accompanying them while preaching the gospel and doing miraculous works? I wouldn't be surprised if Christ did what he did, according to John 2:15 -- "And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables.."

The gathering of saints in the assembly has nothing to do with all the "praise" and other rah-rah-rah singing. It certainly is a problem when up to 80% of the assembly time is devoted to this type of "worship." Contemporary worship is mainly all about "praise music" -- and I cannot envision the New Testament church [i.e., in the first century] indulging in such form of musical idolatry, when the early Christians were commanded to study God's truth and teach, teach, teach. Remember "speaking to yourselves, teaching and admonishing one another"? With those musicians, both men and WOMEN, on stage doing their thing with their handheld microphones and snapping their fingers and gyrating -- if that's not performance, what is it???????

You are correct in pointing out that "he [the highly paid 'Worship Leader'] is the reason the people in the mission fields do with out essentials." The truth of the matter is that his salary as a "NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH EMPLOYEE" [?!?!?!?!?] can financially support as many as 10 full-time native preachers in some countries, when they're actually bringing souls to Christ.

I have lived through times when the local church would NOT "celebrate Easter." While the attendance was higher than any of the other Sundays of the year, the emphasis had nothing to do with the festivity itself. Rather, it was an opportunity to explain that the resurrection of Christ, which occurred on the first day of the week, is very significant, but that we observe the Lord's Supper on the first day [resurrection day] of every week.

For the Madison church to create a "special scene of the Lord's Supper" on the designated "Easter Sunday" is beyond me and perhaps many who were in attendance. We are to observe the Lord's Supper by breaking bread and drinking the cup to "do this in remembrance of me."

Since churches of Christ observe the Lord's Supper every first day of the week [i.e., 52 times a year], are "progressive" congregations like Madison really prepared to create this "special scene of the Lord's Supper" every first day of the week [i.e., 52 times a year]?

Yes? No?

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Two Answers

April 4 2013, 12:44 AM 

JimmyJoe, thanks for the questions.

Answer 1: The Lord's Supper is NOT about "The Virtual Crosses of Flowers." The Lord's Supper is not about attendees being "instructed to hug and share verbally the marvelous gift of the Christ." The Lord's Supper is NOT about the pagan Easter festivity. The Lord's Supper is NOT about the resurrection

The Lord's Supper is about this: "[24] And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. [25] After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me." (I Cor. 11)

Answer 2: I'm reminded of this passage:

  • [11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
  • [12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
  • [13] Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
  • [14] Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
  • [15] And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

No, JimmyJoe, perhaps someday, the leadership at Madison will have the courage to merge with St. Joseph's and the Cornerstone. It will be great savings on everybody's part -- one "Worship Leader" and one CHOIR ["Praise Team"] and MUSICAL BAND and with a variety of CREEDS, etc.

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Re: Happy Easter Sunday 2013 at Madison

April 4 2013, 12:58 PM 

Those who are TASKED to lead the rebellion do not mind being exposed. happy.gif

They know that MOST of the people can be fooled MOST of the time. It is a trying time for the ELECT or those called OUT of the World and into the SAFE HOUSE of Jesus Christ but a real Disciple of Christ will not be a fool.

Their inability to suck in seekers with their infantile "worship services" as proof that women and BOYS are now ruling over them proves that in spite of songs and sermons a lot of church of Christ members are within themselves DISCIPLES.

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Hegel was the father of the CHANGE movement and HITLER knew the same scheme.

April 4 2013, 11:43 PM 

Let Hitler tell you how lots of people were bewitched (that music concept) just like people who drink spiked KoolAid.

Our founding fathers said that democracy can only work when the people are GOOD. We have watched the sudden seemingly-miraculous sweeping away of too much of that "goodness" and we go deeper in debt to study condoms.

The Bible and key philosophers down through history show how to STEAL another person's country or Church (the definition of heresy). The universities we spawned--like all parasitic entities--have turned around and neuterized the visible Church (kirke, circe) by castrating it just below the chin. They have been willing agents of the DEculturing of America. No one has been so ignorant that they did not know how to manipulation "evolution" by changing the actual brain structure of those fed a steady diet of music poisoning.

Wagner was Hitler's musical worship minister knowing that you can manipulate people into "feeling" worship or into willing operators of gas chambers. I thought someone would like to know that they have helped "gamble away their kingdom" but those in the INVISIBLE kingdom will never fall into the "bait and switch." Hitler's scheme is called the COMMUNITY CHURCH MOVEMENT which erases Christ from it's public confession and insist that INDIVIDUALS no longer have the right to read, interpret or speak the Word. (Rubel Shelly, John York)

The mass meeting is also necessary for the reason that in it the individual, who at first while becoming a supporter of a young movement, feels lonely and easily succumbs to the fear of being alone, for the first time gets the picture of a larger community, which in most people has a strengthening, encouraging effect.

The same man, within a company or a battalion, surrounded by all his comrades, would set out on an attack with a lighter heart than if left entirely on his own.

In the crowd he always feels somewhat sheltered, even if a thousand reasons actually argue against it.

But the community of the great demonstration not only strengthens the individual, also unites and helps to create an esprit de corps.

The man who is exposed to grave tribulations, the first advocate of a new doctrine in his factory or workshop,
.....absolutely needs that strengthening which lies in the conviction
.....of being a member and fighter in a great comprehensive body.

And he obtains an impression of this body for the first time in the mass demonstration. When from his little workshop or big factory, in which he feels very small, he steps for the first time into a mass meeting
.....and has thousands and thousands of people of the same opinions around him,
when, as a seeker, (Als Suchender.' A Wagnerian phrase, which Hitler was apparently determined to use at all costs)

he is swept away by three or four thousand others into the mighty effect of suggestive intoxication and enthusiasm,

when the visible success and agreement of thousands confirm to him the rightness of the new doctrine and for the first time arouse doubt in the truth of his previous conviction -

then he himself has succumbed to the magic influence of what we designate as 'mass suggestion.'

The will, the longing, and also the power of thousands are accumulated in every individual. The man who enters such a meeting doubting and wavering leaves it inwardly reinforced: he has become a link in the community.

The National Socialist movement must never forget this and in particular
it must never let itself be influenced by those bourgeois s who know everything better,
.....but who nevertheless have gambled away a great state
.....including their own existence and the rule of their class.

Frogs always think they are in a Sauna in a massage parlor.

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Re: Happy Easter Sunday 2013 at Madison

April 5 2013, 12:07 PM 

Paul equated speaking in tongues to using the "tongues" of musical instruments. He equated this to speaking the languages of "angels" which as false messengers speaks of sorcerers. Even if this was a true thing you would be as worthless as sounding brass or tinkling cymbals. The problem with tongues or instruments or "virtual musical bands" or "worship teams" is that anyone who would expose themselves as a mediator can easily be cursing God such as wanting to sit on God's lap and Dare To Dance.

Singing other than the text is likely to teach false doctrine which despises the Holy Spirit OF Christ and this is called blasphemy.

The problem is that USURPING elders and elderesses both sow discord which is the PREFERED way to dissociate the minds of the frogs so that it becomes easer to inject filth because it vibrates all of the pleasure centers. A church devoted to discipleship would be spending its time trying to dig into the Word printed in english but best understood by seeing how the words were used in the ancient text. Even a simple simon would know that PSALLO never has any musical content: it you SMITE a harp string it produces a sound but this has no musical content unless you define a melody.

If the musicators are not cursing Jesus by violating direct commands they very well may mock Him by having females perform in a style called SORCERY. Witches don't ride brooms: they might be riding a hand-held microphone.

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Re: Happy Easter Sunday 2013 at Madison

April 5 2013, 3:08 PM 

The best way to get people to mock you is to suggest that the whole record of history proves that lots of churches are in a psychological meltdown. It begins with the once-Christian colleges collecting all of the people who can make a noise selling silly theology to sillier theologians. Because they have effectively cut the limb upon which they rested they find themselves trying to sell their own STRONG DELUSIONS which God smacked them with when they began to FEED themselves from what they told everyone was a lie.

"Jingling, banging, and rattling accompanied heathen cults, and the frenzying shawms of a dozen ecstatic cries intoxicated the masses. Amid this euphoric farewell feast of a dying civilization, the voices of nonconformists were emerging from places of Jewish and early Christian worship ..." (Encyclopedia Judaica, 1971 ed., s.v. "Music")

God abandoned Israel to the FOLLOWING patternism and the MUSIC was to lead them into captivity and death:

"Based on the concept of an organic pattern in the life course of civilization, a morphology of history: the idea that every culture has its period of youth, its period of culmination, its years then of beginning to totter with age and of striving to hold itself together by means of rational planning, projects, and organization, only finally to terminate in decrepitude, petrification... and no more life. Moreover, in this view of Spengler's, we were at present on the point of passing from what he called the period of Culture to Civilization, which is to say, from our periods of youthful, spontaneous, and wonderful creativity to those of

uncertainty and anxiety, contrived programs, and the beginning of the end." (Campbell, Joseph, Myths to Live By, p. 84)

"Yet there is a great religious fervor and ferment evident among not only young people but old and middle-aged as well. The fervor, however, is in a mystical direction, and the teachers who seem to be saying most to many are those who have come to us

from a world that was formerly regarded as having left altogether behind in the great press forward of modern civilization,

representing only archaic, out-lived manners of thinking. We have gurus galore..."

"Within the span of a decade the religion had become archaic; and it was then that the peyote cult, the mescal cult, came pouring in from Mexico (Aztec land), onto and across the plains, as a psychological rescue... they would gather in special lodges to pray, to chant, and to eat peyote buttons, each then experiencing visions, finding within themselves what had been lost from their society." (Joseph Campbell, p. 89)

"Now the first and most important effect of a living mythological symbol is to waken and give guidance to the energies of life. It is an energy-releasing and directing sign, which not only 'turns you on,' as they say today,

but turns you on in a certain direction,
making you function a certain way--which
will be one conducive to your participation in the life and purposes
of a functioning social group." (Campbell, p. 89).

"when the symbols provided by the social group no longer work, and the symbols that do work are no longer of the group, the individual cracks away, becomes disassociated and disoriented, and we are confronted with what can only be named a pathology of the symbol." (Campbell, p. 89).

That translates-I think-a religious society (at least) which is suffering from the PREPLANNED purpose to induce a mild form of schizophrenia so that THEY could sell you a CURE.

So, don't blame me: I take my meds and you pay for them.

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Re: Happy Easter Sunday 2013 at Madison

April 14 2013, 9:42 PM 

In Exodus 32 when Israel ROSE UP that means that they ROSE UP against God. Aaron had led them into rising up against God. We have noted that Jacob cursed the tribe of Levi and asked people NOT to covenant with Levi or attend any of their assemblies.

God had not commanded a priestly class until the musical worship of the Egyptian (etal) trinity at Mount Sinai. While the priestly class at Madison using the Levites as their PATTERNIST claim that God commanded "worship with singing and instrumental accompaniment." God intends that their nakedness be exposed and they become a laughingstock. Because God sends them strong delusions they THINK that what Paul warns about as ORGE or ORGY really turns God ON and they cannot read the Word anymore. In Revelation the LOCUSTS are muses are sent to take them captive and separate them out and hold them for the Lake of Fire.

You cannot be a little bit pregnant and therefore you cannot tippy-toe into exposing your spiritual and mental nakedness. Here is what I believe that God WILL NOT PERMIT to be read among those who intend to make ministry into a PROFESSION. I know of no exceptions among either "conservative" or "liberal."

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Contrary to the instrumentalists delusion that God commanded the Levites (and them) to lead the worship services, God ordained the Jacob-cursed priesthood especially the Levites to EXECUTE any godly person commanded to attend synagogue (school) who came inside the gates or near any of the sacrificial system.

Strong delusions are wonderful addictive sleeping pills. However, they are a powerful way of escape provided by God for those OF FAITH or OF TRUTH.

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