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john watson smith
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God is not mocked

April 14 2013, 10:17 PM 

Reading through this thread and others reminds me of the scripture in Gal 6 that mankind will reap the results of what he has sown. Many of those whom attend church have worked on a number of "progressive" changes over the years and have not attended to reprove, rebuke and exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. Spiritual slackers breed all sorts of digression.




 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: God is not mocked

April 14 2013, 11:21 PM 

It may be a mistake to assume that these people are just mercinary or poorly educated. It is an absolute that according to Jesus anyone who speaks the WORDS God delivered to him will be HATED and abused. At best people may be falling for the musical mark because they are frightened of that which a godly preachers expects.

Jesus said that He didn't pray for the WORLD or Kosmos or Cosmic: this year Pepperdine and the NACC are holding a Cosmic Worship Service with a Jesuit-trained agent from ACU.

Jesus also said that God HIDES from the wise or SOPHIST: these are speakers, singers, instrument players all defined as hypocrites by Jesus pointing to Ezekiel 33.

Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.


God had turned the Israelites over to worship the starry host and sentenced them to captivity and death beyond Babylon. Being like the NATIONS or Gentiles the Jews with their "covenant with death and held" actually held musical festivals with the dead (Amos)

The "sorcery" word points to an original Babylon mother of harlots: remember that Christ spoke of "Lucifer" being a singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden."

Many or most are INVITED but only a few or chosen or become the elect as being called OUT of the world.

I don't think that anyone can miss the HOSTS of "angels of Light."

aggelos , ho, h, A. [select] messenger, envoy Arabios a., of a loquacious person,
of birds of augury, Il.24.292,296; Mousn aggelos, of a poet,
aggela niks Nonn.D.34.226.
4. in later philos., semi-divine being, hliakoi a. Jul.Or.4.141b

kheli_d-n used of barbarous tongues by the Greeks
khelidonn mouseia bowers that ring with poetasters' twitterings


Because God spends so much time TELLING US SO it might not be paranoia to think that there be aliens among us. Cain was OF that wicked one because Paul said that Eve was "wholly seduced" by Satan. Cain is derived from a MUSICAL NOTE .

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Happy Easter Sunday 2013 at Madison

April 19 2013, 11:05 PM 

Clanging Brass and tinkling Cymbals are SPEAKING IN TONGUES because no one understands you. Not to worry: this is called "breaking away to the archaic" which the progressives claim to be NEW.

La^l-e, Mark of the Locusts II. chatter, Opposite. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday, III. of musical sounds, aul [flute] lale Theoc.20.29; di'aulou [flute] salpiggos l.[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, magadin lalein sound the magadis, [double flute]

Men? this is a MARK and AVOID signal of plagues: bleeding sores in Revelation.

maenad, female follower of the Greek god of wine, Dionysus. The word maenad comes from the Greek maenades, meaning mad or demented. During the orgiastic rites of Dionysus, maenads roamed the mountains and forests performing frenzied, ecstatic dances and were believed to be possessed by the god. While under his influence they were supposed to have unusual strength, including the ability to tear animals or people to pieces (the fate met by the mythical hero and poet Orpheus). In Roman religion, Dionysuss counterpart was Bacchus, and his female followers were called bacchantes.


This is a Mechanical Instrument of Clappers (doesn't that sound like a disease?)

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European antiquity knew many idiophones. Dancers clappers, held pairwise in the hands of maenads (female participants in Dionysian rites) and other female dancers, often stressed the rhythm of accompanying auloi (the ancient Greek reed pipes). The time-beating foot clappers of chorus leaders, attached to the right foot like a sandal, were known in Greece as kroupezai, or kroupala, and were adopted by Rome as the scabella. Other idiophones included bells, cymbals, the unidentified cheion, and an instrument simply called the bronze (chalkos), probably a metal percussion disk. When the Egyptian cult of Isis {At Mount Sinai} spread to Greece and Rome, her sistrum followed, always in the hands of a priest orrarelypriestess.

We know that 'Until the time of David all musical performance was in the hands of innocent girls or never-innocent females. The SERPENT in Genesis is not a snake--maybe a snake in the grass. The word identifies a Musical Enchanter(ess). The word is derived from brass which is identified as filthy as compared to gold and means 'BELL METAL.' When MadeOffs discovered that they could rattle people and seduce them into various activities they became the FIRST PROFESSIONALS. They were sorcerers or witches and the are to be Cast Alive Into the Lake of Fire.

With the exception of clappers, all these instruments were of bronze; as such they were credited with the apotropaic powers (the special protective powers against evil) accorded this metal in the East. For example, both in various Asian islands and in Greece, it was customary to sound the chalkos at eclipses of the Moon because it has power to purify and to drive off pollutions (a scholiast, writing on Theocritus). According to the Roman poet Ovid, the annual visit of ghosts of the dead to their former homes was terminated by requests to depart emphasized by the clanging of a bronze plate. The thin bronze percussion disks were affixed to metal handles; one from Pompeii is even garnished with pellet bells. Small bronze bells, which made a clanging rather than ringing sound, warded off evil spirits, averted the evil eye, served as sentinels and watchmens signal instruments, or were attached to the handle of a Greek warriors shield in order to terrify the enemy by their clamour. Small bells were also frequently worn on anklets by jesters, dancers, and courtesans, particularly in Hellenistic times. In Rome, tintinnabulae (bells) served as signal instruments or were suspended from the necks of herd animals--again to ward off evil.

The Catholics "baptized" their bells and pipe organs. Modern pagans SANCTIFY their musical instruments and the sorcerers trying to EXORCISE evil as did the Levites and all sacrificial musicians.

Sorry, it won't work: the sounds can also attract the DEMONS or evil spirits. Beelzebub is the Lord of Flies hoovering around sacrificial feasts identified by the instruments will eat your lunch.

 
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Ken Sublettt
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Re: Happy Easter Sunday 2013 at Madison

April 20 2013, 2:36 PM 

The Orphic Pantheon by G. R. S. Meade

http://www.piney.com/MuOrphic.html

You will have noticed that the Trinity delusion, Female worship leaders and what they call musical worship leading to instruments all came crashing down on Churches of Christ being invaded by evil men and women. My old church in Murfreesboro is going to try to restore the "awakening" of Cane Ridge and build 60,000 congregations in their 20/20 vision which seems like Max Lucado to me. That they use the PATTERNISM of the Levites (Brahmin) abandoned to worship the starry host as their COMMAND from "a" spirit to impose "instrumental praise" whatever that be.

The MOTHER CHURCH confesses that she adopted music because it was common to all pagan cults. The Daughters are compelled to obey the Mother (Revelation 17) who uses lusted after fruits as speakers, singers and instrument players PRETENDING to lead you into the presence of God. However, music was always proof of domination of the Mother Goddess. Paul understood that the EVE story was adopted to maker her the MEDIATRIX and that is why EVAH speaks of something filthy. Moses was trying to warn the fallen israelites AWAY from the worship of the mother goddess but Jesus said that the merchants are not allowed to understand

According to Orphic and Platonic theology, Rhea [Eve, Zoe] holds the middle rank between Cronus and Zeus in the Noëric Order. 'She is filled from Saturn withan intelligible and prolific power which she imparts to Jupiter, the Demiurgus of the universe: filling his essence with a vivitic abundance.' (See Taylor, Myst. Hymns, pp. 41-45.)

Plato in Cratylus mystically connects her name (Rhea) with the idea of 'flowing' (from the Greek reo--'to flow') [Rheology, for example, is the science of fluid flow.], meaning thereby simply 'that fontal power by which she contains in transcendent union the divisible rivers of life'.

Rhea, is, therefore, the 'mother of lives,' the mystical Eve (ZOE), the 'mother of all living.'

Proclus (Theol. Plat. Taylor's ed., i.267) says that according to Orpheus, [excluded in Romans 14]

'This Goddess, when considered as united to Saturn by the most exalted part of her essence, is called Rhea; but considered as producing Jupiter, and together with Jupiter unfolding the total and partial orders of the Gods [i.e., the powers of the Sensible World], she is called Ceres.' This is a very important distinction to bear in mind.

Now Rhea, as Ceres, in Hymn XIV, is called 'brass-sounding' and 'drum-beating'. This has reference to the mystical results of certain sounds and rhythm, part and parcel of what the Hindus call Mantravidyâ. I remember reading a curious old French book in the Bibliothèque de la Ville of Clermont-Ferrand, one of the books confiscated from the Minime Monastery of the same town, at the time of the Revolution.

This work dealt with the magical properties of music, and described for what especial purposes the various instruments of music were used in the Temple-service of the Jews.

Now Iamblichus (De Mysteriis, III.ix) goes into the matter of the so-called Corybantic and Bacchic 'frenzies' produced by musical instruments in the Mysteries of Ceres and Bacchus; and in his Life of Pythagoras (xxv) he, further, tells us that:
.....'The whole Pythagoric school went through a course of musical training,
.....both in harmony and touch, whereby,
.........by means of appropriate chants,
.........they beneficially converted the dispositions of the soul to contrary emotions.


In Romans 14, Paul SILENCED the three sects well known in Rome one of them being that of Pythagoric School.

For, before they retired to rest, they purified their minds of the [mental, says Quintilian] confusion and noises of the day, by certain songs and peculiar chants, and so prepared for themselves peaceful repose with either few or pleasant dreams. And again, when they rose from sleep, they freed themselves from drowsiness by songs of another character.

And sometimes by means of melodies without words they cured certain affections and diseases, and this they said was the real means of "charming".
.....And it is most probable that the word "charm" (epode) came into general use from them.

epôidê A. song sung to or over: hence, enchantment, spell, a BURDEN

It was thus, then, that Pythagoras established a most salutary system
.....of regenerating the morals by means of "music" [Mantravidyâ].'
..... (Op. cit. Kiessling's text, pp. 245, 246; see also Taylor, Iamblichus on the Mysteries, 2nd ed., pp. 130, 131, n.)

Music and Mantras, therefore, were used by the Orphics
.....to attract, or call down, the influence of the Mother of the Gods,
.....who at the same time was the 'Store-house of Life', of Divine Nature.

Thus Proclus in his Commentary on Euclid (ii) tells us that 'the Pole of the World is
.....called by the Pythagoreans the Seal of Rhea' (Myst. Hymns, p. 63).


That is why ALL religious instrumental noise is called Soothsaying, Sorcery or Witchcraft: they have no option because the MOTHER GODDESS

Don't be surprised: the Judas Bag was "for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments" and was always attached to a flute case. Psalm 41 prophesied that Judas would attempt to "triumph over Jesus." This is the vocal and instrumental rejoicing including slick speakers. Jesus didn't know that he had been abandoned to Satan until Jesus fed him the SOP which is the root meaning of PSALLO: the SIGN the MARK.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Happy Easter Sunday 2013 at Madison

April 20 2013, 5:45 PM 

Paul and even schoolboys would have understood the message of men like Plato because great epics were presented as the theater of the time. While men like Paul, Peter and John spoke clearly, those PROFFESSIONED in theology will never understand them and do not even try: John Mark Hicks as LU guru claims that he uses THEOLOGY.

http://www.piney.com/ClasPlaCratylus.html

People who see church as "worship" meaning all of the hypocritic arts: speaking, singing, playing are materialists or OF THE WORLD: Jesus doesn't pray for legalists who have to perform something of their own skills. They can not and will not see the spiritual dimension of our world governed by God who IS SPIRIT in nature without blood or bones or flesh or appearance.

A materialistic mathematician can prove that there must be at least 11 dimensions including time. The kingdom must be SPIRITUALLY discerned: no one who has not asked to be a Disciple at the Christ-ordained time and place of baptism will never SEE the kingdom and cannot ENTER the Kingdom. That's why they try to wring the water out of baptism.

When Jesus said DON'T GO THERE: the kingdom is within you. When Israel rose up in musical idolatry of the Egyptian trinity it was a sin without redemption. When Stephen made that certain in Acts 7 and no level of "scholarship" seems to let them read that fact.

In Revelation APOLLO (Abaddon, Apollyon) as the having-fallen star unleashes the LOCUSTS and reading 101a grasps that Paul was speaking of the MUSES. In Revelation 18 the Muses are called SORCERERS and will be cast alive into the lake of fire. And yet the almost total mass religious movement makes a profession out of denying that anyone has denied THEIR right to impose musical performance in YOUR church and YOU should get over it or get out. Isn't that something of BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS right before our blinking eyes: one such raises millions to have planted 60,000 congregations by 2020. Is that madness or what?

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Since all of the Bible and most recorded history have warned you, why do you suppose so many see the real prophecy coming true before their eyes and they just 'pick and grin'? Many (most) are called (invited) but FEW (almost nil) are Chosen.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

With or without instruments why pay that huge ADMITTANCE fee for the songs and sermons almost all trying to PREVENT you from "hearing the voice of the Victim"?

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Happy Easter Sunday 2013 at Madison

May 13 2013, 12:24 AM 

Earlier, Scripture posted: "The Virtual Crosses of Flowers." Part of the message stated the following:
The "praise team" was supplemented by five on stage, three men and two women, who sang song after song during the Lord's Supper while the attendees were asked to get up from their seats during the Supper and carry their flower to constructed crosses in the balcony and in the lower auditorium, where they deposited them to form a "flower cross" so that all could truly appreciate his occasion....

So, the five on stage were the quartet (2 men and 2 WOMEN) plus the "WORSHIP LEADER" Chris Lindsey [male].

[I have a suggestion (being facetious here) for the Madison shepherdship. Why not dismiss the "worship leader" from his secular-made-religious job and let the quartet do the "WORSHIP" leading, which they are already doing anyway? Except all of them get off the stage!!!! (Wonder if the "professional" performers on or off the stage are compensated for holding their MICROPHONES and for whatever motor skills they're displaying to keep the music alive. The employed worship leader's salary may be more wisely used for worldwide mission efforts.)]

This is what I was "afraid of" [but not really -- as I expected for such to happen]. During the Happy Easter Sunday celebration, the performers were on stage not only during the Lord's Supper but also throughout the remainder of the "worship" period.

Well, this Sunday (5/12/2013), exactly the same pattern of programmed worship occurred:

-- Song
-- Song
-- Welcome, Mother's Day Video; Love Feast
-- "Prayer of St. Francis" [song? or Catholic prayer? -- missed it]
-- Song: To the Least of These ["Worship Leader" & Quartet on stage]
-- Communion
-- Song: Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus ["Worship Leader" & Quartet on stage]
-- Offering
-- Song: I Love to Tell the Story #275 ["Worship Leader" & Quartet on stage]
-- Song: Jesus Saves (Contemporary) ["Worship Leader" & Quartet on stage]
-- Message: "Called to be Sent"
-- Song: Lord You Have My Heart ["Worship Leader" & Quartet on stage]
-- Song: Days of Elijah (Charismatic) ["Worship Leader" & Quartet on stage]

{I left close to the beginning of the Elijah song -- howling [Minnie Pearl's version], clapping and body motions -- musical instruments would not have been necessary. Someday, there will be instrumental accompaniment.)

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Happy Easter Sunday 2013 at Madison

May 13 2013, 11:40 AM 

Whom the gods destroy they first drive mad!

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Performing Before (in the Holy Presence of) God

May 14 2013, 1:37 AM 

It now appears that the FIVE "Worship Leaders" performing ON STAGE is a "permanent fixture." The group is now singing (PERFORMING) EVERY "praise" song to/for/before the congregation and its "shepherds" and their wives and Jason Shepherd.

The group on stage, FACING THE CONGREGATION with their handheld microphones, includes the "Worship Leader" (Chris Lindsey) and the quartet (of 2 men and 2 WOMEN co-worship leaders). Watch them clap, snap (their fingers to the music), tap (their feet to the beat of their favorite tune), simulate/imitate the noise of musical instruments, and sway.

Oh, well, they're a visiting team/band from TBN. Just imagine that.

Just what is happening to the Macedonian church? (I meant "Madisonian" church.)

 
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The D.C. Challenge

May 14 2013, 8:27 PM 

Donnie, I challenge you to find a local Church that you agree with and enjoy being part of the worship service. Maybe, you could report back here with a positive review to share with us. Who knows, it may be a "wakeup" call that might just change your life.

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Ken Sublett
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Re: The D.C. Challenge

May 14 2013, 10:27 PM 

Donnie: that means get over it or get out!

Heard that before?

 
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Re: The D.C. Challenge

May 14 2013, 11:03 PM 

Mr. Sublett, [linked image]

please let Donnie reply.

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Donnie Cruz
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Re: The D.C. Challenge

May 14 2013, 11:12 PM 

I know, I know.

"Get over it or get out!" That farewell plea announced by the elders who opposed the other fellow elders [and that certainly was leadership-divided] was very well responded to. Well, several elders either resigned or left; many of the members left to seek fellowship elsewhere. Many of whom never to return.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: The D.C. Challenge

May 14 2013, 11:03 PM 

You must have really ENJOYED the "Worship Leader" with his gang of 2 men and 2 WOMEN co-worship leading YOU and the other congregants into God's HOLY presence, especially during the Lord's Supper.

Yes, ENJOYED!!! ... as the early Christians did in Acts 20:7 -- "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread [the church CHOIR (Praise Team) got on stage with their microphones to perform music], Paul preached unto them...." Right?

It is half-baked religious entertainment at Madison. What are THE "musical worship" leaders doing at Madison? The "shepherds" [with Jason Shepherd included] should know by now that musical worship does NOT increase church attendance and membership.

There are still many local congregations of the church of Christ that assemble to learn more of God's truth -- not to enjoy MUSIC.

Now, I challenge you to attend the neighboring Community Church, the Cornerstone Church in Madison, TN? I hear that they have it all in that church, its CHOIR and the BAND. On "Easter Sunday" I drove by that church, and the parking lot was still full by mid-afternoon.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: The D.C. Challenge

May 14 2013, 11:22 PM 

I think this guy is a BOTTOM FISHER: I can see both eyes.

 
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Re: The D.C. Challenge

May 15 2013, 12:02 AM 

Mr. Sublett, I see four eyes when you are in your costume.

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Donnie Cruz
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Re: The D.C. Challenge

May 15 2013, 1:01 AM 

You forgot this caption: "IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING"

"Beware of change agents, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." (Matthew 7:15)

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears" (II Tim. 4:2,3).

"Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines." (Heb. 13:9)

 
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Re: The D.C. Challenge

May 15 2013, 2:11 PM 

Donnie, when you worship at Madison do you worship in spirit and truth? Is it possible for you to do that? Please review the link and take the exam. Will you share with us how you answered lesson 1 question #15. Thanks.

http://www.netbiblestudy.net/worship/lesson_1.htm

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Ken Sublett
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Re: The D.C. Challenge

May 15 2013, 5:51 PM 

The woman at the well should be awarded a P.hd to shame all of the "scholars" you know when they speak about "worship." The ONLY worship word for the spiritual people in the whole Bible is to give attention to the Word of Christ--that which is written for our learning.

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

Jesus said that the Jews now worshipped IN THE SPIRIT which is contrasted to IN THE FLESH: Only by keeping worship INWARD do you deprive the concision and dogs a role to play. These were the emasculated priests of the Mother Goddess and they are to MARK musical worship people who were noted to be "drunk, perverted or just having fun" as in Mocking JESUS whom they pretend to be.

The elders and performers KNOW that in order to prevent you from showing forth or PREACHING the Death of Jesus which WOULD automatically shame all others into silence, THEY have to musically MOCK Jesus as the Levites did up to the foot of the Old Rugged Cross.

They must be wolves?

 
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Re: Happy Easter Sunday 2013 at Madison

May 15 2013, 5:41 PM 

Speaking of WOLVES:

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The D.C.-Fish Challenge

May 16 2013, 1:40 AM 

Donnie, when you worship at Madison do you worship in spirit and truth? Is it possible for you to do that? Please review the link and take the exam. Will you share with us how you answered lesson 1 question #15. Thanks.

There are so many more references to the holy spirit OF the Lord Jesus Christ or OF His Father than about worship at the Worship Center if any. From my study of Christian living instructions from the book of Acts to Revelation, the references to worship have much to do with personal submission to God's will, sacrifice and serving the Master -- and not to "corporate" worship that modern "worshipers" refer to. Even "Lesson 1" confirms that.

Of course, the New Testament speaks of the assembly of the saints. (Trust me -- it is not about watching and listening to the high-salaried, church-employed "Worship Leader" to wag-tap-snap-clap-sway, along with his elite team of 2 men and 2 WOMEN LEADERS on stage, all holding their individual microphones [sounds like "performance" to me esp. when "the congregation" can hardly be heard singing].)

We know about "when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them" (Acts 20:7). We know about when the saints assembled to "let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another" (Col. 3:17).

Let's just compare notes, brother Fish. You mentioned Madison [that's local] and me [that's personal]. That's fine with me. So, let's deal with questions somewhat from a personal and local standpoint. Everyone who frequents this forum should know by now what I and many other disciples of Christ feel and think about the Praise Team [the "progressive church of Christ" CHOIR ... and we certainly can equate the progressive, liberal theologians in the church with the progressive, liberal politicians in the government] -- the P.T. praise performers should donate their microphones to TBN or some other TV shows, just return to their seats, be members of the congregation again, and sing WITH the congregants.

So, here's one simple question for you -- since the Praise Team is a deterrent to my "worship in spirit and truth," does the Praise Team aid you or assist you in becoming more spiritual than without its assistance? Please be careful how you respond -- don't sound parasitic or display a dependency syndrome.

 
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What Happened at the Madison Church of Christ?


There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.

This book is only about one of those churches. It's about the Madison Church Of Christ. By studying the methods used here along with the resource references you might be able to inoculate your church. At the very least you will recognize the signs early on.

Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't know what happened.
Some never will know! This book is for them as well.

Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.

It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word of Jesus Christ.

At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly realm.

They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.

The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan. Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books, seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....

At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the "Community Church Movement"

Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready, or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the plans very nature, it had to be secret.

The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last 15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.

The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the elders went along unwittingly.

This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill in some of the timeline.

To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the background materials in the first of the book.

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Here is the list of players;

5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
 

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