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JimmyJoe
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Time for a permanent vacation

April 18 2013, 11:53 PM 

Donnie, I agree with you for a change. It is time not only to take a vacation from this site but I believe the time has come to make it permanent. Maybe you should consider taking a vacation from the late service at Madison. As there is no one posting anymore (and since you have invited B to leave), it seems no one really cares about what you think happens at Madison. You could probably save a lot of time and money if you and Ken just texted each other. On a final note, if you do want to continue attending the Madison late service please continue. One is never too old to learn something. However, as far as reading your reviews and posting here, life is too short to waste and with the time I have left I can find many more fulfilling things to do. You know, like reading and studying the word of God.

 
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B
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Re: Time for a permanent vacation

April 19 2013, 12:10 AM 

JimmyJoe, you have the right idea. Since Donnie and Ken seem to be trying to run all people off who don't exactly agree with them and, since hardly anyone else posts anything here anymore, despite an allegedly "large" readership, then maybe it's time to shut down all the message boards. This site would then become place for Donnie and Ken to air THEIR personal, one-sided views about religious topics with no one else to contradict them.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Time for a permanent vacation

April 19 2013, 12:43 AM 

Thanks, JimmyJoe.

Should I decide to leave Madison for the same reason that a number of its OWN [former] elders and half of its membership left during the "church havoc," it would be on my own volition.

Speaking of reading and studying the word of God, I've been very well blessed by being involved in this website. I have studied more diligently and learned more about God's truth during this website experience than at any other period of time in my life as a disciple of Christ.

I have learned only in the last decade, for example, that the truth about "the holy spirit" is very simple. [And our Restoration forefathers were right about this.] There is not another, separate, third-person [man-concocted "Holy Spirit" that the Roman Catholic Church/papacy/Nicene Creed discovered.

There is only ONE "holy spirit" and that one spirit [WHICH is HOLY] belongs to the Lord God. Some 70 scriptural passages prove this and ended all of my previous speculation and confusion. How significant is the preposition "OF" in the expression: "the holy spirit OF God" or "the spirit OF the Father" or "the spirit OF Christ the Lord," etc.

There is NO contradiction whatsoever between Matt. 28:19 ("in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit"] and the other 70 passages, including Eph. 4:30 ["... grieve not the holy spirit OF God"].

In essence, "the holy spirit OF the living God" IS ... IS ... IS "the holy Spirit." NONE other.

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I have the stats, JommyJoe. Better readership now especially when the subject matter is regarding "the Holy Spirit," even if there is less participation. It is a very difficult topic to discuss. Perhaps, many are afraid of "the Holy Ghost." sad.gif

Make no mistake; the ConcernedMembers website is here to stay.

 
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Scripture
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The long view

April 19 2013, 4:23 PM 

Take heart.

Persecution is sometimes a discouragement, especially when one is in the minority. But persecution only means that we can cultivate our patience.

The way to life is narrow, while to destruction it is broad and wide.

Many churches which were brought up on the "positive gospel" have very little Biblical foundation, and it sometimes takes two to three generations of this shallowness to lead to full-fledged digression.

The adoption of programs and prescriptions from other Christian traditions are likely to lead to alienating those who have proved faithful through the years, and has yet to prove it can gain new adherents.

Compromises with programs from other persuasions begin a cascade of every-increasing errors and further departure from the New Testament church.

 
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B
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Re: The long view

April 19 2013, 7:23 PM 

And so ends this discussion of the Holy Spirit by all posters except Donnie and Ken.




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Response: "And so ends this discussion of 'the Holy Spirit' with you [only]. When that occurs, others will be able to continue teaching/learning the truth uninterrupted."


    
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Re: The long view

April 20 2013, 10:35 AM 

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B
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Re: Time for a permanent vacation

April 19 2013, 8:24 PM 

If Concerned Members is "here to stay" but no one except Donnie and Ken is posting messages about scriptural topics anymore, then an open message board is unnecessary. It's like keeping a hotel open in the middle of a ghost town...or a desert. Just have a site where only Donnie posts his one-sided messages about the preposition "of" and Ken posts his endlessly rambling verbiage with drawings of various pagan gods and goddesses. I'm sure that will provide an exceptional "learning" experience for the allegedly "large" readership.


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When you post to vent with no scriptural content, you remind me of your fellow CM-critiquing expert -- Dave (Fields). You do have something in common, after all.



    
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Re: Time for a permanent vacation

April 20 2013, 3:28 AM 


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Ken Sublett
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Re: The Spirit of Christ the Lord Is the Holy Spirit

April 18 2013, 12:10 PM 

"For this reason, the Holy Spirit has frequently been personified in Scripture, identifying it with God, and so it is personified as he. "However, if the Holy Spirit were actually a person it should be rendered as he in every place where the word is referred to; but it is not. It is sometimes rendered in the neuter. In Romans 8:16, Paul writes: "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit." The neuter, itself is used, and this is in accord with the Greek text, as any Greek scholar will acknowledge.

"To personify inanimate objects is normal in Scripture. Wisdom is represented as a woman (Proverbs 9:1), mammon is described as a friend (Luke 16:9), sin is personified as a slave-owner (Romans 6:16), the Holy Spirit as a comforter (John 14:26), expressing the spirit of Truth. So Micah declared: "I am full of power by the spirit of the Lord" (Micah 3:8). The prophets were moved by the spirit to record the Scriptures (Nehemiah 9:20; 2 Peter 1:21), and God used the same means to speak to Israel through His Son (Hebrews 1: 1).

"Personification.-- This is a figure of speech by which inanimate beings are spoken of as animated, or endowed with life and volition; animals are endowed with feelings akin to those of men.

"This is well suited to an imaginary condition of mind, and therefore frequently employed in Hebrew Scriptures. Indeed, it is now a staple in the market of communication, and we use it so commonly ourselves that whe have almost ceasted to speak of it as a figure of speech." (Prof. D. R. Dungan, Hermeneutics, p. 324, Gospel Light Publishing)

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: The Spirit of Christ the Lord Is the Holy Spirit

April 18 2013, 6:18 PM 

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Ken Sublett
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Re: The Spirit of Christ the Lord Is the Holy Spirit

April 18 2013, 9:40 PM 

Hislop notes of the Trinity in Unity

http://www.piney.com/His21.html

After what has now been said, any one who consults the "Asiatic Researches," may see that it is in a great measure from a wicked perversion of this Divine title of the One Living and True God, a title that ought to have been so dear to sinful men, that all those moral abominations have come that make the symbols of the pagan temples of India so offensive to the eye of purity. *

For the theologians who missed Acts 7 "when they passed through" Stephen told the Jews that God had not commanded a TEMPLE form of "house" but a tabernacle or family. He said that it was because of the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai that God ABANDONED them to worship the starry host: Amos and Stephen and others tell us the gods they worshipped while pretending to honor Jehovah. Josephus affirms that the Levites were Brahmins: they were sootsayers with instrumets. Hislop noted that the ONE GOD was always a way to disguise the always pagan trinity:

While such is the meaning of Brahm, the meaning of Deva, the generic name for "God" in India, is near akin to it. That name is commonly derived from the Sanscrit, Div, "to shine,"--only a different form of Shiv, which has the same meaning, which again comes from the Chaldee Ziv, "brightness or splendour" (Dan 2:31);

and, no doubt, when sun-worship was engrafted on the Patriarchal faith, the visible splendour of the deified luminary might be suggested by the name. But there is reason to believe that "Deva" has a much more honourable origin, and that it really came originally from the Chaldee, Thav, "good," which is also legitimately pronounced Thev, and in the emphatic form is Theva or Thevo, "The Good." The first letter, represented by Th, as shown by Donaldson in his New Cratylus, is frequently pronounced Dh. Hence, from Dheva or Theva, "The Good," naturally comes the Sanscrit, Deva, or, without the digamma, as it frequently is, Deo, "God," the Latin, Deus, and the Greek, Theos, the digamma in the original Thevo-s being also dropped, as novus in Latin is neos in Greek. This view of the matter gives an emphasis to the saying of our Lord (Matt 19:17): "There is none good but One, that is (Theos) God"--"The Good."

So utterly idolatrous was the Babylonian recognition of the Divine unity, that Jehovah, the Living God, severely condemned His own people for giving any countenance to it: "They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens, after the rites of the ONLY ONE, * eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together" (Isa 66:17).


John Mark Hicks wants us to make the Lord's Supper a sacrificial meal where God EATS while we burn the fat with Jubilation. Rubel Shelly picked up on this and suggested that Jesus would eat with us while we CONSUME SWINE'S FLESH. Both Lucado and Shelly want us to think of the S.O.N. god as the S.U.N. god.

ACU, Ken Cukrowski, Mark Hamilton, and James Thompson Want to CALL DOWN GOD'S HOLY FIRE.

http://www.piney.com/Gods.Holy.Fire.ACU.html

Elaine Heath was at ACU Summit 2012

http://www.piney.com/Elaine.Heath.ACU.Summit.2012.html

ELAINE HEATH CHAPTER 10 TONGUES OF FIRE.

[159] What we really need today are new tongues of fire, a new Pentecost in American. This alone will open us to the divine hospitality that is so radical that the walls of gender, race, and class dissolve in its healing reach. We need a Pentcostal outpouring that is about the love of God, a mighty wind that sweeps away the sinful cast systems that have deformed the Americal Church. We need a baptism of cleansing that will heal the wounds of domestic violence and sexual abuse, that will liberate both the oppressed and the oppressor, tht will send God's people out of the church into their neighborhoods with God's redeeming and reconciling love....The untamed presence of the living God is the only power that can heal the threefold wound. Nothing else will do.
I am talking about a widespread surrender and obedience to God the Holy Spirit. Outside of North America, Pentecostalism is the fastest form of Christianity in the World. It is pan-denominational


The word Achad is the Holy One among the pagan:

But how little weight is in this, may be seen from the fact that it is this very term "Achad," and that without the article, that is used in Deuteronomy, when the Unity of the Godhead is asserted in the most emphatic manner, "Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah," i.e., "only Jehovah." When it is intended to assert the Unity of the Godhead in the strongest possible manner, the Babylonians used the term "Adad." Macrobii Saturnalia.

In the unity of that one Only God of the Babylonians, there were three persons, and to symbolise that doctrine of the Trinity, they employed, as the discoveries of Layard prove, the equilateral triangle, just as it is well known the Romish Church does at this day. *

* LAYARD's Babylon and Nineveh. The Egyptians also used the triangle as a symbol of their "triform divinity."

In both cases such a comparison is most degrading to the King Eternal, and is fitted utterly to pervert the minds of those who contemplate it, as if there was or could be any similitude between such a figure and Him who hath said,

"To whom will ye liken God, and what likeness will ye compare unto Him?"

The Papacy has in some of its churches, as, for instance, in the monastery of the so-called Trinitarians of Madrid, an image of the Triune God, with three heads on one body. *


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Ken Sublett
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Re: The Spirit of Christ the Lord Is the Holy Spirit

April 19 2013, 8:05 PM 

My projected--among many--is looking at Philippians 2 used by Trinitarians to say that Jesus was in the FORM of God. They believe, without caring to be a disciple, that this means that Jesus WAS in Fact God Himself.

http://www.piney.com/Philippians.2.6.Being.in.Form.of.God.html

I am not certain how people can become Angels of Light and official THOUGHT LEADERS for Churches of Christ by simply reading isolated tidbits. Doesn't that DESPISE the Word of God and therefore God Himself? Doesn't that mean BLASPHEMY of the Holy Spirit of GOD which BREATHED directly from the ONE God the father to Jesus whom God made to be his ARTICULATED word. Somehow, these three equally powerful god person gets strange when Jesus says that NEITHER the Spirit nor the SON (Word) speaks on their own. This is a proverb (John 16) to fool the foolish who have no right to the mysteries of God HIDDEN in plain sight.

In ALEXANDER CAMPBELL Christian Baptist 1827: The Trinitarian System lied about by the neo-trinitarians:

http://www.piney.com/Trinitarian.System.html

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Donnie Cruz
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Alexander Campbell, Barton W. Stone, Walter Scott -- Trinity

April 20 2013, 3:58 PM 

Please be patient. This thread has so much to cover including what our Restoration forefathers had to say about the Trinity creed. I have reserved this spot for an article that CLEARLY explains all this. Hope to get started with this soon.

 
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Scripture
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Quote from A. Campbell

April 20 2013, 7:26 PM 

"In the kingdom of God in which we are born of water, the Holy Spirit is as atmosphere in the kingdom of nature--we mean the influences of the Holy Spirit are as necessary to the new life, as the atmosphere is to our animal life in the kingdom of nature. All this is done in us before regeneration, God our Father effects by the word, or the gospel as dictated and confirmed by his Holy Spirit. But after we are thus begotten and born by the Spirit of God--after our new birth, the Holy Spirit is shed on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior; of which the peace of mind, the love, the joy, and the hope of the regenerate is full proof; for these are amongst the fruits of that Holy Spirit of promise of what we speak." Christianity Restored, Alexander Campbell, 1835, page 274.

Could we say that the Holy Spirit as shed on us be Jesus Christ brings peace of mind, love, joy, and hope? These are among the fruits of the Holy Spirit.

Can we say that before regeneration, that God our Father effects these changes by the word or gospel, and that is confirmed byh his Holy Spirit?

Campbell appears not to separate the Word, the Gospel, God the Father, Jesus Christ our Savior, but these all act together.

It would be unfair to Campbell, perhaps, to put him under our current microscope, but reading his book throughout will give us a pretty good idea what he is saying. He does not separate our feelings from the Word.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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The Spirit to be Holy (Refreshed Conscience) in Man -- Acts 2:38

April 20 2013, 7:44 PM 

I must run....

We'll discuss this "pure conscience" or refreshing in man (Acts 2:38), as well the holy spirit of the living God (Eph. 4:30).

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: The Spirit to be Holy (Refreshed Conscience) in Man -- Acts 2:38

April 21 2013, 12:19 PM 

Donnie will be able to put this thing together grammatically so that no one can misunderstand.

In the face of the overwhelming body of quotations with which classical trinitarians agree those who want to put father and son in past tense so that they can have the "spirit person speak to them: theyhave no intention of being laded down and deprived with confusing THEIR imagination--they confess to using theology--so that they are FREE. The Grace-Centered concept really has them confessing that they know that they are violating the mind of Christ but GRACE will make it all acceptable.

Like Word, Grace is another designator of Jesus Whom God made to be both Lord and Christ. Grace APPEARED teaching us to DENY that which they want to IMPOSE.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Hindrance: The Preconceived Notion That God's Holy Spirit Is a Person

April 21 2013, 2:42 PM 

The invented creed called "Trinity" really hinders the Christian's mind from understanding the Godhead. It leads one to create an image of a third-person, male-gendered "Holy Ghost" [similar to "the Spirit like a dove descending"]. The Godhead is the mystery of God -- the Father and His Son Jesus Christ manifest in the flesh (Col. 2:2-9). It is accurately summed up in verse 9 that: "For in him [Jesus Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." The "Holy Spirit" is not even in the narrative concerning the Godhead.

Of course, "the holy Spirit OF God" [oops, the preposition "OF" just would not go away] is very important in regeneration (baptism, without which there is no remission of sins in His blood), as well as in Christian living (as we are NOT to "grieve" God's holy spirit).

Briefly, the grammatical structure of the expressions in each of the various passages that reference "the spirit" of the living God, is critically important:

1) The word "spirit" -- is it a proper noun or a common noun?
2) What is the gender of "the spirit"?
3) The word "holy" -- an adjective that modifies a common noun?
4) The preposition "OF" that follows the word "spirit" (70 references)
5) The preposition "OF" that precedes God, the Father, Jesus Christ
6) The word "spirit" that follows the pronoun "his"-- it's an ownership
7) The definitions or manifestations of the spirit of God through time from creation, to the Old Testament dispensation, to Christ's choosing of the apostles, to the day of Pentecost, to the New Testament era.

It would be very difficult to understand "the holy Spirit of God" as an attribute, its nature, its role until all preconceived notions were eliminated first or unless those preconceived notions are compared and contrasted against all the scriptural references to "the holy spirit OF the living God."

This is where grammar plays a very important role in a clearer understanding of what the Holy Scripture really says about "the spirit OF our Lord Jesus Christ."

 
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Kenneth Sublett
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Re: Hindrance: The Preconceived Notion That God's Holy Spirit Is a Person

April 21 2013, 3:57 PM 

The invented creed called "Trinity" really hinders the Christian's mind from understanding the Godhead. It leads one to create an image of a third-person, male-gendered "Holy Ghost" [similar to "the Spirit like a dove descending"]. The Godhead is the mystery of God -- the Father and His Son Jesus Christ manifest in the flesh (Col. 2:2-9). It is accurately summed up in verse 9 that: "For in him [Jesus Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." The "Holy Spirit" is not even in the narrative concerning the Godhead.

It seems that those who may be sincere are afraid that they will slight one of the "god persons." However, as you note, by denying that the full authority of Father, Son and Spirit dwell in Jesus as the Christ they are despising Jesus. Again, John notes that antichrists deny the Father - Son relationship.

Because the Jews had fallen into polytheism, it was logical that if Jesus was the Son then Philip wanted to SEE the Father. Jesus said:

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye would have known my Father also: from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and dost thou not know me, Philip?
..... he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;
.....how sayest thou, Show us the Father?
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am IN the Father, and the Father in me?

.....the words that I say unto you
.....I speak not from myself:
.....but the Father abiding in me doeth HIS works.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am
.....IN the Father, and the Father
.....IN me: or else believe me for the very works sake.

THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,
.....that will I do,
.....that the Father may be glorified IN the Son.
John 14:14 If ye shall ask anything in my name, that will I do.

CONDITIONAL

John 14:15 If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father,
..... and he shall give you another Comforter, [not different]
.....that he may be with you for ever,
John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth:
.....whom the world cannot receive;
.....for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him:
.....ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:18 I will not leave you desolate: I come unto you.

Jesus received the promise or ASSIGNMENT as Holy (wholly) Spirit who returned and "poured out what you see and hear."

The Paraclete's NAME will be Jesus Christ the Righteousness.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world beholdeth me no more;
.....but ye behold me: because I live, ye shall live also.
John 14:20 In that day ye shall know
.....that I am IN my Father,
.....and ye IN me,
.....and I IN you.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me:
.....and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father,
.....and I will love him, and will manifest myself unto him.

There is no "spirit" person involved in this ONE GOD and ONE MEDIATOR Jesus Christ relationship because the Father "breathes" directly to the Son who articulates the thoughts of God..

It seems to me that anyone with A holy spirit could grasp that father, son and spirit is DELIBERATELY manifested as ONE BEING.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Quote from A. Campbell

April 21 2013, 12:08 PM 

Makes sense to me: Jesus said my words are SPIRIT and they are LIFE. The Holy Spirit is now the Mind o s ist cannot reveal His Mind on the written page since they "live, move and have their being" putting their MIND on paper. Going further, Owens quotes Campbell:

On this passage I make two or three remarks: i. "This pouring out of the influences, this renewing of the Holy Spirit," he says,

"is as necessary as the birth of regeneration (immersion) to the salvation of the soul, and to the enjoyment of the hope of heaven." The influences of the Spirit only as necessary to salvation, as immersion not more so ! ! !

2. Observe, he says, "All that is done in us before regeneration (immersion) God our Father effects by the Word, or the Gospel as dictated and confirmed by his Holy Spirit." Here we have a denial as clear and as strong as language can make it, of any influence in conversion, except that of the Word as dictated and confirmed by the Spirit.


Owens: This is the most important point about which we differ, and which I desire the audience not to lose sight of. 3. As my friend is fond of ask- ing questions, I wish to ask him, What kind of influence does the Spirit exert on the minds of immersed believers? This is a very important question. He has said in his publications, that there are but two kinds of power moral and physical.

He has also said, that the only power that can be exerted on mind is moral power ; and he has said, that "every spirit puts forth its moral power in words"; that "all the power it has over the views, habits, manners or actions of men is in the meaning and arrangement of its ideas expressed in words ; or in significant signs addressed to the eye or ear."

 
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Moral arguments change the habits of man

April 21 2013, 4:00 PM 

"Because arguments are addressed to the understanding, will, and affections of men, they are called moral, inasmuch as their tendency is to form or change the habits, manners, or actions of men. Every spirit puts forth its moral powers in words; that is, all the power it has over the views, habits, manners, or actions of men, is in the meaning and arrangement of its ideas expressed in words; or in signficant signs addressed to the eye or ear." Christianity Restored, Alexander Campbell, 1835, page 348.

Campbell expressed very well that the word is the sword of the spirit. Ephesians 6:17.


 
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