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Logos: the Regulative Principle

August 24 2013 at 5:18 PM
Ken Sublett  (Login Ken.Sublett)
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Strong delusions sees ekklesia or assembly of Christ as a WORSHIP SERVICE. Lying wonders identify self-preaching, singing, playing instruments or any performing art.

A Church of Christ (maybe invisible) is a School (only) of the Word (only) of Christ in the prophets and apostles.

Recorded history including the bible proves that imposing any musical performance AS worship is Purpose Driven to deceive and silence the voice of Christ in the prophets and apostles.

No one knows anything about the Father which has not been revealed by His Son. His SON is the WORD or LOGOS which meant to everyone there as the REGULATIVE PRINCIPLE as opposed to Hermes whose "hermeneutic" included music and homosexuality as the way to be a messenger for the gods.

Worship means only giving attention or hearing the Words of Christ.
Pagan worship or idolatry MEANS to give attention to the flute-girls and harp-girls because it would have been too outrageous for a male to pluck and sing: Civil Greek society suggested "tarring and feathering them" and riding them out of town.

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Re: Logos: the Regulative Principle

August 28 2013, 10:02 PM 

Peter absolutely defines the Regulative Principle and THE only role for which God ever called His godly people into assembly.

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"Worship in Spirit and in Truth" Grossly Misunderstood

August 29 2013, 12:46 AM 

Many Christians forget that Christ commissioned his disciples:

1) To teach all nations (the gospel) -- Matt. 28:19
2) To baptize them (be converted) -- Matt. 28:19
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3) To teach them [the converted, the church] ... more -- Matt. 28:20

It is often the idea that what we know as "the Great Commission of Christ" ends with baptism. (Worse yet is the notion that baptism in THE NAME [singular] OF "the Father, Son and Holy Ghost" is definite proof that "the Holy Ghost" [the ghost/spirit ((of the Lord)) which is holy] is the Trinity-claimed 3rd Person also called God.)

No, baptism is not the end of it all.

There's more.

Matt. 28:20 says more -- "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you..."; "them" being the converted [taught the gospel and baptized IN THE NAME OF Jesus Christ the Lord (Acts 2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5)].

The church (the body) of Christ, after conversion of its members [cf. Acts 2ff], still needs more teaching, thus, a school of Christ. Teaching THE TRUTH, yes!!!

So, what is worship? What are the specifications for worship in the New Testament era?

Is (a) worship more of an individual Christian's responsibility, whereas (b) the teaching and admonishing one another more of an "assembly" in nature?

What is "synagogue worship"? What was "synagogue worship" like in the first century? Can we equate the modern-day "worship service" with "synagogue worship"?

In John 4:20-24, Jesus speaks of "the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father ... when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

What is the history of the "worship service"?

What do we think of the modern understanding of "worship in spirit and in truth"?

(1) Some say "in spirit" means the 20th-21st century CHARISMATIC spirit in worship.
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(2) Some church leaders think "in truth" means psychology or philosophy or logic that does not necessarily negate God's truth.

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Re: Logos: the Regulative Principle

August 29 2013, 12:35 PM 

God always uses the lowly to reveal His will and HIDES from the wise or Sophists meaning rhetoricians, singers, instrument players or actors: He knew that this class OF THE WORLD for which Jesus refused to pray would do all in their little power to SILENCE the voice of the victim. That is why religious music is called Sacred Violence.

The woman at the well knew that MESSIAS WILL TELL US ALL THINGS.

ACappella is also a CODE word which permits anything as long as you do not use an instrument. However a cappella sang an early version of harmony called ORGANUM which could only be discovered after the invention of better pipe organs.

Early churches recited psalms and ate the Lord's Supper in a private room: it was not a show and tell act. Othewise the obeyed the command in the wilderness and to Timothy to Publically PREACH the Word by READING the Word for comfort and doctrine. It's obvious to disciples but the banditos CLAIM that there are no commands unless WE make a command.

Paul defined worship IN SPIRIT as worship IN THE SPIRIT: That is a PLACE and otherwise Christ does not judge by what He SEES or HEARS (Isaiah 11:1-4 where the seven spirits are spirits OF divine knowledge.

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Salvation Issues

September 1 2013, 11:44 PM 

I have heard some in the assembly stand up, and say that "it's not a salvation issue."

What does this mean?

Do they mean that Belief, Repentance, and Baptism are the only salvation issues?

Do they include that immersion rather than sprinkling is a salvation issue?

Just what does one mean by this statement? Does it have a different meaning, depending on who uses it--the more traditional brethren versus the more emerging churches?

Does the "logos" go far beyond the "salvation issues?"

Are they suggesting that we have a creed, so that everyone will know the salvation issues?

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