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AM
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Re: Keeping it real

November 8 2013, 12:37 PM 

I have a question:

What is a "Head Shepherd"? Does that not suggest that all others are just staff?

And is there a conflict in Job title as referenced in 1 Peter 5:4 "When the Head Shepherd comes again, you will get the crown of shining-greatness that will not come to an end".

The title could sound like religious Narcissism.

 
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Dave
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There is a Hell....Really!

November 7 2013, 9:31 AM 

Donnie said " We agree; we disagree."

Ah, but Donnie, if it were just so.

When you and Ken (and formerly Bill....you got him mad now) disagree with someone, you can't just let it go at that.....you have to take it a step further with slander and ridicule.

MATTHEW 10:28

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One(God) who can destroy both soul and body in hell.


Do you not fear and respect the One True Living God?

 
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Donnie Cruz
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ConcernedMembersMadison
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Re: There is a Hell....Really!

November 7 2013, 11:15 PM 

Dave,

Thanks for the passage -- Matt. 10:28. I'd rather let the Scripture speak of the destruction of both body and soul "in hell."

Of course, I fear and respect "the One True Living God." [I'm glad for your expressing the truth that there is only one true God. It's beyond my comprehension for anyone or any religion or dogma to suggest that there are three Gods (or numbered Person Gods).]

I would also quote one of several passages regarding the living God and Christ:


"And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God." (John 6:69)



 
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Humility
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Dave changed his mind

November 8 2013, 1:14 AM 

On November 6, 10:56 a.m., Dave wrote: "Your response (and many more such as this last one), Donnie, is the reason why I have decided to forgo any further discussion and/or responses here at Concerned Members."

On November 7, 9:31 a.m., Dave wrote again, revoking his decision not to post.

In the earlier note, referring to Donnie, Dave said "There is your interpretation and then there is hell for anyone else that offers interpretations that differ from yours." That is, Dave says that Donnie is condemning to hell those that violate the scriptural teaching, but this I think Donnie says he is not doing.

In the later note, Dave speaking of Donnie in regard to MATTHEW 10:28, Dave said "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One (God) who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Do you not fear and respect the One True Living God?"

Is Dave condemning Donnie to torment, even as he said Donnie was condemning others to torment?

So, is the unforgivable sin the sin of condemning others. Can we condemn those who condemn others?

 
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Bill
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Re: Dave changed his mind

November 8 2013, 9:12 PM 

My take on Dave's note when he quotes Matt. 10:28--as far as this site is concerned, Dave is telling us not to give heed to those who would consign us to hell because we do not embrace their personal theology; rather, we should be concerned that we do not offend God, who can literally destroy our body AND soul in hell.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Dave changed his mind

November 8 2013, 10:50 PM 

Nice try, Bill.

Let's reserve the heaven-or-hell judgment for The Righteous Judge (II Tim. 4:8).

 
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Bill
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Re: Dave changed his mind

November 12 2013, 9:22 PM 

When people brand others with different interpretations as "blasphemers" and "antichrists," they as much as consign those others to hell. So yes, learn to yield the ultimate decision to the Righteous Judge.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Dave changed his mind

November 14 2013, 12:12 AM 

Bill,

Those who are strong in the faith should have nothing to worry about being labeled as such.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Jason Shepherd false Shepherd at Madison Part A

November 6 2013, 11:37 AM 

When Israel fell without redemption because of instrumental idolatry, Moses leap-frogs all of the curses of the sacrificial system--the patterns for Madison's pattern--and has the godly people look for redemption when the OLD STYLE WORSHIP SYSTEM is cast down.

Jesus is called a PROPHET as He was High Priest, king, prince.

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Ken Sublett
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Re: Jason Shepherd false Shepherd at Madison Part A

November 12 2013, 8:35 PM 

The instrumental idolatry at Mount Sinai defiled or profaned the rest day. Profane is Chalal meaning to play the flute, steal your inheritance (in tithes and offerings), pollute and prostitue. It has the same meaning as HALAL or David's praise word meaning "to make self VILE in the belief that God would take pity." Halal is the root of the LUCIFER word whom Christ said was the "singing and harp-playing prostitute in the garden of Eden."

Over and over and over the Epistles demands that we SILENCE the musical performers SO THAT we can speak that which is written for our learning. Madison's team has nothing to do with LEARNING but they PRAISE which the same "making self vile" in the belief that they can seduce a god.

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Coach
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Re: Jason Shepherd at Madison Part A

November 13 2013, 10:54 AM 

Ken, you may want to "shop around" to find something that fits your needs. happy.gif HALAL means to praise as well. Don't just take my word for it.

Psalm 150
King James Version (KJV)

1 Praise ye the Lord. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.

2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.

3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.

4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.

6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord.

 
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Bill
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Re: Jason Shepherd at Madison Part A

November 13 2013, 4:00 PM 

Talk about "shopping around":

People who want instrumental music in worship shop at Psalm 150.

People who want to speak hymns and not sing them shop at the Catholic Douay-Rheims Bible.

People who reject Jesus as the Word boycott the KJV and DRB and instead shop at any of the "modern" Bible translations that omit "Father, Word, and Holy Ghost" from 1 John 5:7.

People who reject the Trinity concept will be really challenged to shop for a translation that omits the grouping "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" altogether from the text.

Your local Bible Stop & Shop has everything to meet your theological needs! happy.gif


 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Jason Shepherd at Madison Part A

November 14 2013, 12:49 AM 

Be consistent, Bill. Coach is also your friend and defender whenever others disagree with your acquired theological views. Aren't you going to return the favor by defending his instrumental music stance?

I'd like to add the following to the above list:

--- Blind people who refuse to read as written, "SPEAKING to yourselves in ... HYMNS ..." (Ephesians 5:19, KJV and DRB) shop at their own library of philosophy and verbiage.

--- People who know better than John the writer trust their own senior moments by substituting "Jesus" of 2000 years ago for "the Word" (LOGOS) "in the beginning," thus, proclaiming their acquired belief that the pre-existent Jesus became Jesus.

--- People who believe in the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Trinity Creed of Person No. 1 God, Person No. 2 God, Person No. 3 God should continue shopping at the Vatican Bookstore. They certainly agree with the Pope's God-numbering system.

 
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Coach
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Re: Jason Shepherd at Madison Part A

November 14 2013, 1:22 PM 

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Donnie said,
"Be consistent, Bill. Coach is also your friend and defender whenever others disagree with your acquired theological views. Aren't you going to return the favor by defending his instrumental music stance?"

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I think the Coach/Bill alignment is most like a total solar eclipse. It's spectacular and rare but does not last very long. JMHO. happy.gif

 
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Bill
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Re: Jason Shepherd at Madison Part A

November 16 2013, 6:58 PM 

It is the prerogative of anyone to disagree with another person's theological views. Coach may disagree with my views about not having instrumental music in worship, but I don't resort to branding him as a "blasphemer" and an "antichrist" as some people with unstable faith do when others disagree with them.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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ConcernedMembersMadison
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Re: Jason Shepherd at Madison Part A

November 16 2013, 11:49 PM 

Brand me as an "antichoir" -- I'm OK with that. happy.gif

Brand Coach as an "instrumental music lover." I don't think he'll be offended by that.

I do not recall your being branded: "Bill, you are a 'blasphemer' and an 'antichrist.'" Now, "antichrist" is defined by John in I John 2:22 and his other epistles. Is that definition applicable to you? Or not?

A Christian with stable faith has nothing to worry about.

 
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Humility
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Dispensation

November 16 2013, 5:47 PM 

Coach, do you follow the Old Testament as your law?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Jason Shepherd false Shepherd at Madison Part A

November 13 2013, 11:52 AM 

David was a KING and Kings make war and not worship. The Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites prophesied with instruments but they were not inspired prophets: they were soothsayer-sorcerers. When you praise the king or queen with bagpipes you intend to make them deficate and run for your life. ALL of the praise words intend to FORCE a god to come to your aid. In the case of David's army the TREAT was:

We are going to ROB you
We are going to RAPE you to proove our superiority
Then we are going to RAPTURE your head off.

Religious PRAISE SINGING intends and does the work of the Alpha Billy Goat to instill a laded burden or "spiritual anxiety through religious ritual" to intimidate you and warn you NOT to open your mouth unless it is a SALVATION ISSUE.

Jesus said that the kingdom DOES NOT COME to such OBSERVATIONS, that the kingdom is WITHIN you and worship is IN THE PLACE of the sanctified spirit as we GIVE ATTENDANCE to the WORD (Logos or Regulative Principle). Therefore, the Progressive churches, as Joseph Campbell warned, CRACK OFF TO THE ARCHAIC when their old religion does not meet THEIR needs or harvest enough FLEECE.

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Coach
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Re: Jason Shepherd at Madison Part Z

November 13 2013, 1:11 PM 

What's your point Ken? Ken is an engineer and Coach is a horse's ***? Makes no difference. We don't decide who makes the cut but God does. Psalm 150 is here to stay no matter how much you would like to discredit it. Ken, it's out of your hands.

 
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Ken Sublett
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ConcernedMembersMadison
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Re: Jason Shepherd at Madison Part Z

November 13 2013, 5:00 PM 

Then, you are ready to come to church with just a woman's blouse and then STRIP THAT OFF? Let us know: we can all make the trip.

'Word grabbers" forget that God ABANDONED the Israelites to WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST: that is why STAR worshipers lust to get up into the FIRMAMENT to praise (make self vile) their gods who were NOT Jehovah but included SATURN (Sabbath) whose number is 666. Sabbatarians also worship DIONYSUS as the clergy were identified by Jesus as the child PIPERS in the Agora or Marketplace where all forms of vile commerce took place. The clergy had turned the temple grounds into a MARKETPLACE so Jesus too the PSALLO rope and drove them out. Here is the danger of those lusting to worship the "gods" with music:

"Women and girls from the different ranks of society were proud to enter the service of the gods as singers and musicians. The understanding of this service was universal: these singers constituted the 'harem of the gods'." (Quasten)

David took away performing the WOMAN'S ROLES and gave it to His Levite warriors. The names of some psalms, the clergy dress derived from women's clothing, the falsetto form of 'singing' and the Purpose Driving the Levites who were SORCERERS with Instrumental NOISE makers to literally--then and now--just drain all of the testesterone out of the SORCERIZED.

Scholars were certain that only "women and effeminate females" could FALL INTO the "out of body" experience Paul identified as MADNESS. Remembering that the STAR OF DAVID is a symbol of 666 because the Israelites had fled Jerusalem and been replaced by Arabs or Kenites (Cain = from a musical note), we should not be surprised that God gave David a JEBUSITE HIGH PLACE because the KINGS were selected to lead the nation into captivity and death. And why God spoke to David through Gad or a STARgazer.

"The name of psaltery entered Christian literature in the 3rd century B.C. translation of the Old Testament called the Septuagint where, in the Psalms, nebel was translated psalterion. Thus, Nebuchadnezzar's idolatrous ensemble included the Aramic psantria. Notice, also, that the book of Psalms has also become known as the Psalter (or psalterium), from the hymns sung with this harp.

NEBUCHADNEZZAR the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits (60), and the breadth thereof six (6) cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura (circle), in the province of Babylon. Dan 3:1

That at what time ye hear the sound of the (1) cornet, (2) flute, (3) harp, (4) sackbut, (5) psaltery, (6) dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up: Dan 3:5


Psaltery reminds us of a NEW WINESKIN religion which is made of THAT WHICH DIED OF ITSELF:

Nebel (h5035) neh'-bel; or nebel nay'-bel; from 5034; a skin- bag for liquids (from collapsing when empty); hence a vase (as similar in shape when full); also a lyre (as having a body of like form): - bottle, pitcher, psaltery, vessel, viol

Nabel (h5034) naw-bale'; a prim. root; to wilt; gen. to fall away, fail, faint; fig. to be foolish or (mor.) wicked; causat. to despise, disgrace: - disgrace, dishonour, lightly esteem, fade (away, - ing), fall (down, -ling, off), do foolishly, come to nought, * surely, make vile, wither..

Nabal (h5036) naw-bawl'; from 5034; stupid; wicked (espec. impious): - fool (-ish, -ish man, -ish woman), vile person.


Here is what others thought of old David:

1Samuel 21:12 And David laid up these words in his heart, and was sore afraid of Achish the king of Gath.
1Samuel 21:13 And he changed his behaviour before them, and feigned himself mad in their hands, and scrabbled on the doors of the gate, and let his spittle fall down upon his beard.
1Samuel 21:14 Then said Achish unto his servants, Lo, ye see the man is mad: wherefore then have ye brought him to me?
1Samuel 21:15 Have I need of mad men, that ye have brought this fellow to play the mad man in my presence? shall this fellow come into my house?


No, and David could never sing and play in GOD'S HOUSE.






 
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