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Ken Sublett
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Re: Keep on Keeping On

January 21 2014, 9:34 PM 

Spirit is always personified: the Spirit OF Christ is masculine because Jesus is a male.

This is ANTITHETICAL to the Jews based on Proverbs since SOPHIA is a female and considered the Holy Spirit. Proverbs 8

A Jew at the time of Jesus would KNOW that if Jesus ever spoke of a triad, the Spirit would be a SHE or Sophia. Sophia is the thread which includes the effeminate or perverted priesthood. However, the DOVE identified Jesus as the SON of a FATHER.

Sophia , Ion. -i, h, prop. A.cleverness or skill in handicraft and art, in music and singing, tekhn kai s. h.Merc.483, cf. 511; in poetry, in divination, S.OT 502
4. among the Jews, arkh sophias phobos Kuriou LXX Pr.1.7, cf. Jb.28.28, al.; Sophia, recognized first as an attribute of God, was later identified with the Spirit of God, cf. LXX Pr.8 with Si.24sq.


Sophia is marked by MUSIC and PEDERASTY
LOGOS is marked by the WORD and STRAIGHT

The Vineyard, Fuller lady Carol Wimber promotes LOUD MUSIC to create a sexual-like climax with the spirit. Female Clergy gave lessons and retired to a back room for a real WORSHIP EXPERIENCE where she fleeced the men of their food money. Only the name changes to protect the guilty.

Sophia or the Holy Spirit assumes the role in Creation as OPPOSED to the LOGOS or WORD. The DOVE parable should set it "STRAIGHT" so people can quit paying a price MUCH TOO HIGH. The Feminists now control kids from nursery to post-graduate work at Babel University.

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Servant
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And again....

January 22 2014, 5:15 PM 

I had all intentions to, again, give comment, but I am out of here again.
Why?

Ken said "Female Clergy gave lessons and retired to a back room for a real WORSHIP EXPERIENCE where she fleeced the men of their food money. Only the name changes to protect the guilty."


That is sick.
That is perverted.
I shouldn't be surprised, as it is nothing new. But if teens or children were interested about learning of the Gospel or the Scriptures from here, this isn't an example of wisdom and teaching, but of one man's perverted soul.

It adds nothing to the discussion.

It brings reproach to Ken Sublett, which in turn brings reproach to concerned members because Ken is seen as one of the captains of this ship. Donnie, it also brings reproach to you, because YOU condone it.

Looking to hear for a great escape line here from you Donnie. It will have to be a doozy.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: And again....

January 22 2014, 6:48 PM 

Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. Re.2:20 (A prophetess is also a poetic singer with musical instruments).

Remember the Prototypical Type when the Jezebel had about 950 prophets as musical performers. They three Jezebel to the DOGS which is a CODE word for the old style praise howlers or catamites which Paul excluded in Philippians 3.

"Ephesus was famous for its shrine of Diana, where thousands of sacred prostitutes believed fornication brought believers into contact with deity in much the same way the Gnostics used authentia (authority) to bind the flesh and the divine together. When these women converted to Christianity they had to unlearn these pagan practices.

That explains why the melody [plucking strings and plucking hairs] must be inward: singing was a secular or even pagan practice but chanting, reading or speaking to one another was a religious practice. Remember Ephesians 5? How did SPEAK which is the opposite of ODE suddenly Become SING ODE by not APT for prime time elders?

'Virtually without exception, female teachers among the Greeks were courtesans, such as Aspasia, who numbered Socrates and Pericles among her students. Active in every major school of philosophy, these hetairai made it evident in the course of their lectures that they were available afterwards for a second occupation.

But the Bible teaches that to seduce men in such a manner was indeed to lead them to slaughter and the halls of death (cf. Prov. 2:18; 5:5; 6:27; 9:18).

The verb authentein is thus peculiarly apt to describe both the erotic and murderous." (Trombley, Who Says Women Can't Teach, p. 177).


Paul understood that the STAND OVER-SPEAK UP women would AUTOMATICALLY induce sexual lust. As a matter of fact the new spawn of preachers as musicians and actors INTEND to produce the same effect on both sexes.

Paul wants BOTH men and women to be SILENT in the church FOR THE PURPOSE DRIVEN PURPOSE" that all might be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth."

This would prevent WRATH or ORGY which is deliberately induced by embarassing "musical worship teams" claiming that their effeminate praise singing can bring believers into contact with deity." That's what they claim and the masses identify it as ANDROGYNOUS. Remember the Levites wore female garb and sang FALSETTO. That ACappella thingy.

Elders should worry about PERFORMING what the Wimber-Fuller theme calls music to "produce a sexual-like climax with the spirit." Shame on elders for not being able to READ enough to protect their flocks against elders-turned-wolves which means PEDERASTS. Heavens knows that the airwaves are filled with clergy doing bad things. Shame, shame, shame. APT elders don't know that Paul's warning against the uncovered prophesiers (singers, players, performers) in 1 Corinthians 11 meant that the Corinthian assemblies DID MORE HARM THAN GOOD.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: And again....

January 23 2014, 1:41 AM 

Servant,

While the majority among churches of Christ is not into "Worship Teams" ["God's elite praise singers" and the "Worship Leader" leading the congregants into God's holy presence..., the mega congregations of the church are very much now into the TBN-style of "worship."

The Madison congregation has graduated from: (1) having a "Worship Leader" and a "Praise Team" [Progressive "Church of Christ CHOIR"] occupying the two front pews facing the stage ... to: (2) a "Worship Leader" and a quartet of musical performers (TWO WOMEN and two men) all CO-LEADING on stage throughout the assembly period -- including a repeated musical performance while the congregants are "focusing" on the Lord's Supper. And now the "traditional" assembly is not that far behind -- the group of mostly senior citizens who will no longer be around in a generation. (One member of that group has said: "we are now singing songs that were composed by folks on their way to church." And "instrumental music" is coming soon.

Servant, music and dancing [at least "in the mind or heart"] are inseparable. When members of the musical team engage in clapping, waving or lifting of "holy hands," whistling, stomping of feet, spinning, body gyrating. Just wait when instrumental music is put in place. Music and dancing -- that's when a "big burst of testosterone hits, causing your hair to sprout everywhere." "There are 36,000 nerve endings in the foot," it's been said.

Music or musical idolatry is not the only issue. Women serving as "deaconnesses." How much longer will it be when women become elders and women as teachers of men? Women preachers -- now we're talking about the "female clergy."

Let's turn it around, Servant. It is the elders who no longer "teach that which has been taught" that bring reproach to the congregation they serve. [You and I have learned that this is one of Ken's Bible-based expressions.]

  • Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving." (Col. 2:7)

  • Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." (II Thess. 2:15)

  • Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers." (Titus 1:9)



    
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Most of Ken's, fables, myths, and personal opinion are...

January 25 2014, 3:13 PM 

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No ... Ken is not the originator and owner of fables and myths.

Thanks to recorded history and the wonders of the WWW. Now you know more about idolatry and musical idolatry, as well as the PAGAN-originated Trinity EXPOSED.

Now, it's times to review and study the countless scriptural references provided for serious Bible students to LEARN.


    
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Re: Most of Ken's, fables, myths, and personal opinion are...

January 27 2014, 12:54 PM 


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Anonymous
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Re: Most of Ken's, fables, myths, and personal opinion are...

January 27 2014, 3:05 PM 

Coach, don't think I ain't interested because I ain't. I didn't realize how much you were interested in my dung. After about a month of healing a kitty I am quite an expert.

If you are so interested I can keep a record of times, lengths, shapes, colors and other states you may need.

Let me know if you really are that concerned.

 
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Re: Most of Ken's, fables, myths, and personal opinion are...

January 27 2014, 9:23 PM 

Sola scriptura remains as the valid procedure for pursuing the Mind of the Lord.

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/557-what-is-sola-scriptura

 
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Donnie Cruz
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"Sola Scriptura" -- The Valid Procedure for the Change Agents

January 27 2014, 11:41 PM 

"Sola Scriptura" -- exactly the valid procedure that the CHANGE AGENTS [in the brotherhood!!!] must do. They must STOP corrupting the gospel and transforming the New Testament church of the Lord Jesus Christ into another DENOM-i-nation.

 
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Bill
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Re: Keep on Keeping On

January 23 2014, 12:01 PM 

Jesus said, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it" (John 8:44 KJV).

We must realize that Jesus is speaking metaphorically here. Jesus is NOT saying that everyone who sins is literally a "biological" child of the Devil. Jesus is NOT saying that the Devil literally has sex with women and literally produces untold millions of children from hell. Thus, back to Genesis, it is absolutely ludicrous to believe that the Devil literally had sex with Eve to produce Cain. If those who do evil and sin are all literally the Devil's biological children, then ALL people, including Moses, David, Solomon, Paul and the apostles, and countless others, literally have the Devil as their biological father, for we have ALL sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23).

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Keep on Keeping On

January 23 2014, 12:23 PM 

If those who do evil and sin are all literally the Devil's biological children, then ALL people, including Moses, David, Solomon, Paul and the apostles, and countless others, literally have the Devil as their biological father, for we have ALL sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23).

This is the problem of projecting consequences on a clear statement of fact.

It does not say that everyone that sins is of the SPERMA OF THE SERPENT. Reading 101.

However, ALL of the sperma of the serpent WILL LIE.

A Billy goat stinks because he is a billy goat: not everyone that smells like a billy goat is a CAPPELLA.

All buzzards puke because that is their nature. That does not say that everyone who pukes is a buzzard.

Paul said that the LAW--not Satan--made him a sinner. Paul said that he was ALIVE before the Law: the Law--not his DNA made him a sinner because HE sinned.

A preacher with a dozen Phds who says that God commanded Instrumental Noise for HIS church because God abandoned the Levites to Babylonianism, is a SON OF THE DEVIL, says Jesus, who is MARKED by "speaking on his own." In Isaiah 8 Christ marked them as HAVING NO LIGHT when they do not Speak according to the law and prophets.

 
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Anonymous
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Re: Beginning: The BEAST rides the MOTHER: End: The MOTHER rides the BEAST

January 23 2014, 5:15 PM 

We have noted that Moses wrote of the 7 days or 7,000 year conflict which began in Summer c. BC 4000. This was the rise of the city state where men used methods to spook the superstitious and force them to WORSHIP or SERVE on the Sabbath and give a TITHE to the state clergy. This serfdom continues and is escalating by men who presume the right to COLLECTIVIZE everyone under a huge, horrible Clergy-rules-over-Laity (Nicolatains) with a STAFF (like Davids) to be supported by massive threats about giving to the Lord or perishing.

The flash point was prophesied and fulfilled c. ad 2000 which could have been prophesied by astrologers.

This is why the story of ADAM AND EVE is a warning to Israelites who had been sentenced BACK under this system because of musically mocking God on the rest day.

Adad being triune, this left room, when the Babylonian Mystery of Iniquity took shape, for three different forms of divinitythe father, the mother, and the son; but all the multiform divinities with which the Pagan world abounded, whatever the diversities there were among them, were resolved substantially into so mann manifestations of one or other of these divine persons, or rather of two, for the first person was generally in the background. Hislop, p. 302

The bearing of all this upon the question of the identification of Cybele and Astarte, or Venus, is important. Fundamentally, there was but one goddess--the Holy Spirit, represented as female, when the distinction of sex was wickedly ascribed to the Godhead,

through a perversion of the great Scripture idea, that all the children of God are at once begotten of the Father, and born of the Spirit;

and under this idea, the Spirit of God, as Mother, was represented under the form of a dove, in memory of the fact that that Spirit, at the creation, "fluttered"--for so, as I have observed, is the exact meaning of the term in Genesis 1:2--"on the face of the waters."


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This goddess, then, was called Ops, "the flutterer," or Juno, "The Dove," or Khubele, "The binder with cords," which last title had reference to "the bands of love, the cords of a man" (called in Hosea 11:4, "Khubeli Adam"), with which not only does God continually, by His providential goodness, draw men unto Himself, but with which our first parent Adam, through the Spirit's indwelling, while the covenant of Eden was unbroken, was sweetly bound to God. This theme is minutely dwelt on in Pagan story, and the evidence is very abundant; but I cannot enter upon it here. Let this only be noticed, however, that the Romans joined the two terms Juno and Khubele--or, as it is commonly pronounced, Cybele--together; and on certain occasions invoked their supreme goddess, under the name of Juno Covella--that is, "The dove that binds with cords."

As Juno she may be condemned by Paul who warned Corinth that their charismatic of madening music and tongues was just speaking into the air. (1Cor 14:9). In chapter ten he had warned them not to worship demons as did the Israelites as they worshipped Apis with singing, dancing and music. She may be holding the orb or symbol of the sun and a tabret.

As Ishtar she was condemned in Ezekiel 8:14 as the women lamented for Tammuz (Ishtars husband-son) and the men bowed to the sun orb in the early sun rise service.

The first deified woman was no doubt Semiramis, as the first diefied man was her husband. But is eviden tthat it was some time after the Mysteries began that this deification took place; for it was not till after Semiramis was dead that she was exalted to divinity, and worshipped under the form of a dove. When, however, the Mysteries were originally concocted, the deeds of Eve, who, through her connection with the serpent, brought forth death, must necessarily have occupied a place; for the Mystery of sin and death lies at the very foundation of all religion, and in the age of Semiramis and Nimrod, and Shem and Ham, all men must have been well acquainted with the facts of the Fall. At first the sin of Eve may have been admitted in all its sinfulness (otherwise men generally would have been shocked, especially when the general conscience had been quickened through the zeal of Shem);

But when a woman was to be deified, the shape that the mystic story came to assume shows that that sin was softened, yea, that it changed its very character, and that by a perversion of the name given to Eve, as the mother of all living ones, that is, all the regenerate, she was glorified as the authoress of spiritual life, and under the name Rhea, was recognized as the mother of the gods...

Rhea, in the active sense, signifies the Gazing woman, but in the passive it signifies The woman gazed at, that is, The beauty, and thus, under one and the same term, the mother of mankind and the mother of the Pagan gods, that is, Semiramis, were amalgamated; insomuch, that now, as is well known, Rhea is currently recognized as the Mother of the gods and men. It is not wonderful, therefore, that the name Rhea is found applied to her, who, by the Assyrians, was worshipped in the very character of Astarte or Venus. (Hislop, Alexander, The Two Babylons, p. 304, Loizeaux Brothers)

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Beginning: The BEAST rides the MOTHER: End: The MOTHER rides the BEAST

January 25 2014, 12:13 PM 

I know it enrages people but I am a searcher of information and everyone THOUGHT that the Devil (maybe the Assyrians the Tallest Trees in Eden) planted SEMEN in EVE so that Cain was OF that wicked one. Paul compared this to a VIRGIN being wholly seduced. Not is it not foolish to read all of the text. In the case of Devilish (speaks on their own: not the LOGOS) son who gladly lies, robs and steals the church house of their mother and twin brother who remains faithful, it may be a case of a recessive gene. Jesus, John and Peter spoke of the crooked or VIPER RACE from whom we should SAVE OURSELVES. Jesus said that God HIDES from them (wise, sophists, hypocrites) and HE never explained His speech to the MULTITUDES being sucked into a church near you in the morning.

http://www.piney.com/Apoc4Macc.html

4 Maccabees Chapter 18 referenced in Hebrews 11:

5 - The tyrant Antiochus was both punished on earth and is being chastised after his death. Since in no way whatever was he able to compel the Israelites to become pagans and to abandon their ancestral customs, he left Jerusalem and marched against the Persians.

6 - The mother of seven sons expressed also these principles to her children:

7 - "I was a pure virgin and did not go outside my father's house;
but I guarded the rib from which woman was made.

8 - No seducer corrupted me on a desert plain,
nor did the destroyer, the deceitful serpent,
defile the purity of my virginity.


9 - In the time of my maturity I remained with my husband, and when these sons had grown up their father died. A happy man was he, who lived out his life with good children, and did not have the grief of bereavement.


I know: it is hard to accept that we were not born an earthly King: wrong DNA. Jesus and John said that the MARK of that original Sorcerer includes all 'Craftsmen, singers, instrument players" and the etc. STAFF called PARASITES in all pagan "worship centers" are to be Cast alive into the Lake of fire with the Devil and his messengers.

 
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"I go with Scripture unless there is some good reason not to."

January 25 2014, 12:22 PM 

Why would anyone make that statement?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: "I go with Scripture unless there is some good reason not to."

January 25 2014, 12:49 PM 

If ALL of the Musical Banditos go to the SCRIBES to say that "a" spirit told them to IMPOSE instruments with an implied threat against anyone who opposes them.

And Jacob Cursed and God Abandoned the Levites to stand guard at the NOT-commanded animal slaughter and EXECUTE any musicator who came NEAR or INTO the now-Babylonish holy places.

And Christ in the Prophets warned about the LYING PEN OF THE SCRIBES.

And Jesus called the Scribes an Pharisees, HYPOCRITES who in the Ezekiel 33 version names slick, mercinary preachers, singers and instrument players.

The I DO NOT GO with the RECORD of the Civil-Military-Clergy complex which God ABANDONED and promised He would never save them even thought it is written in the BOUND VOLUME of many books defining the good, bad and ugly.

All of the Musical Discorders have ONLY the TWISTED2 Chronicles 29 where the PERFORMANCE by the Levite NOISE makers was by the COMMAND OF DAVID THE KING. So, you can LIE To God and About God because of the LUST OF ITCHING EARS and they couldn't hold down a job baiting and switching in the CIVIL society without being sentenced to CHANGE big rocks into little rocks.

No whut i meen? huh? hur?

 
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Re: "I go with Scripture unless there is some good reason not to."

January 26 2014, 10:54 AM 

Ken, you dance really well not to be a musician. happy.gif

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: "I go with Scripture unless there is some good reason not to."

January 26 2014, 12:32 PM 

I told you that Apollyon is the Leader of the Muses: His Spiritus INDWELLS his musical worship team at Delphi: they are called dirty adulteresses as SHEPHERDS in the end time.

Apollo carried his bow to make the string twang (psallo) to SHOOT FORTH reall singing arrows into your literal heart. He also carried his lyre which he plucked to send forth LOVE ARROWS into female or PLUCKED (psallo) young men: all of the psallo text connected to a musical instrument were to make the YOUNG MEN whose hairs had been PLUCKED and seduced by Alexander the Great's harp plucking.

The MEN of Jerusalem were called CHILDREN or BOYS (ISA 3) by Jesus: they PIPED trying to INITIATE everyone into the GAY PRIESTHOOD (coming to a church near you). During the bowing to Baal they sang or LAMENTED and DANCED about. Paul speaks about them in Romans 14 where the "what they do in the night" was so vile that it had been restricted in Rome to small groups "Doing in the day" so that people could expose and silence them.

No, you must look for another DANCE partner. Max Lucado quoted by Rubel Shelly says that the "the spirit is god's song writer and dance master."

That's true: the god of the latter day is Apollo, Abaddon, Apollyon from the garden of Eden up to a church near you which uses ANY performance music and calls it worship (by command of their "god")

MARKING the New Hermeneutics:
Kero-batês [a^], ou, ho, ( [keras]) HORN-FOOTED, hoofed, kerobatas PAN Ar.Ra.230 (lyr.): acc. to some Gramm., he that GOES with HORNS, i.e. the HORNED GOD; acc. to Sch., he that WALKS the MOUNTAIN-PEAKS (cf. keras v.6).


See them ALL at the Look to the Hills Zoe (Lucifer) assemblies

Those touched by Apollo and the Muses compose and sing praise of the gods. Sons of Apollo by a Muse are Linos and Orpheus.
Other divinities also bear a relationship to music.

# Hermes invented the lyre and gave it to Apollo, retaining the syrinx for himself and his son Pan as shepherd gods.

Dionysos' connection with music is less specific than Apollo's, but still he is ranked as inventor of the dithyramb. Music is more important among his followers, the satyrs and maenads; it was the latter who tore to pieces the unfortunate Apollonian singer Orpheus.

Among the Greeks the dance of gods, Muses, nereids, and nymphs is often mentioned and depicted along with music. Particular importance is attributed to the singing or instrument-playing sirens as the "Muses of the other world."

"Their home is thought of as located in Hades, as well as in space [Psalm 150). In their role as singing guides of souls they are associated with death. Originally in the form of animals (birds)[demons or seed pickers]., they came to assume human shape A [Page 269, Volume 3] related notion is documented in Book XII of the Odyssey: the sirens as death-bringing singing monsters. Their function as musical soul-guides is transferred to the angels in Christianity.

They are BUSY in a church (CIRCE) near you. Their function is connected to the LOCUSTS.


http://www.piney.com/ClassHomHymHermes.html

Time to start the HOWLING IN THE HOLY PLACES to starve the flock of the FREE water of the word.

Judas didn't know that he was the SON OF Perdition until Jesus FLASHED the SOP (PSALLO)because Judas was sent to TRIUMPH OVER Jesus with the Judas Bag ALWAYS attached to a FLUTE case of the SICARRI or assassins.

The Gate of Hell on Mount Hermon was the Temple of PAN: Jesus stood on the rock outside the gates of hell and said that PAN will not defeat HIS kingdom whom He has under the UNBRELLUM so that they cannot be seen nor heard at such Pan-Panicky or Laded Burden observations. Jesus guarantees it.

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Re: "I go with Scripture unless there is some good reason not to."

January 28 2014, 6:33 AM 

"Sola Scriptura". That is a cure for itching ears. It is just that simple.

 
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"Sola Scriptura" for the Change Agents

January 28 2014, 10:48 PM 

"Sola Scriptura" -- exactly the valid procedure that the CHANGE AGENTS [in the brotherhood!!!] must do. They must STOP corrupting the gospel and transforming the New Testament church of the Lord Jesus Christ into another DENOM-i-nation.

 
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Current State of CM? Itching Ears..

January 25 2014, 11:55 AM 

The time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths. (2 Tim 4:3-4 RSV)

http://www.ldolphin.org/itching.html

 
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...........................THE BOOK

What Happened at the Madison Church of Christ?


There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.

This book is only about one of those churches. It's about the Madison Church Of Christ. By studying the methods used here along with the resource references you might be able to inoculate your church. At the very least you will recognize the signs early on.

Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't know what happened.
Some never will know! This book is for them as well.

Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.

It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word of Jesus Christ.

At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly realm.

They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.

The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan. Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books, seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....

At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the "Community Church Movement"

Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready, or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the plans very nature, it had to be secret.

The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last 15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.

The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the elders went along unwittingly.

This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill in some of the timeline.

To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the background materials in the first of the book.

This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison

Here is the list of players;

5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
 

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