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Ken Sublett
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Re: Ishtar and Easter Part F

April 27 2014, 8:24 PM 

Just as the Jews, no doubt, used them in temple and synagogue worship, the early Christians sang or chanted the psalms in their worship.

In our really bad days we would call that a lie.

"No doubt" won't hack it. The Godly Jews attended the Church of Christ (the Rock) in their isolated areas. A Sabbath's Days journey was about 700 feet. Forbidden WORK was "sending out ministers of God." That was because the sub-tribal non-mercinary elders obeyed the command which Jesus practiced, commanded and never changed in real Ekklesia's of Christ.

Acts 15:21 For Moses
.....of old time
.....hath in every city
.....them that PREACH him,
.....being READ in the synagogues
.....every sabbath day.

Jesus EXAMPLED the only role of the Synagogue

Luke 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
Luke 4:15 And he TAUGHT in their synagogues, being glorified of all.

Twila Paris won't hack it as HE TAUGHT.
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, his custom was,
.....he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day,
.....and stood up for to READ.
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him
.....the book of the prophet Esaias.
.....And when he had opened the BOOK, not the Howard New Wineskin Praise book.
.....he found the place where it was written,


Luke 4:20 And he closed the book,
.....and he gave it again to the minister,
.....And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

"Vocal or instrumental rejoicing or SELF-SPEAK was OUTLAWED for the Church of Christ (theRock) and the wilderness.

A godly Jew not of the ABANDONED Civil-Military-Clergy complex who went NEAR or INTO what they believed to be a "holy place" was to be executed.

A Jacob-Cursed and God-abandoned Levite who went NEAR any of the "off limits" holy place even without his instruments and his TUTU was to be executed by his brethren.

There is no command, example or remote inference that God commanded--and did not condemn--a single instance of "congregational singing with instrumental accompaniment."

God calls it NOISE: if you blow 120 ram's horns priest-tuned to ONE SOUND with no "holes" worship music then that is a mark that like the Civil-Military-Clergy God has turned you over to worship the starry host.

The PATTERN can be found beginning in Revelation 17 where the same BEGINNING Babylon mother of harlots is unleashed: she uses LUSTED AFTER FRUITS (same as in Amos 8) as speakers, singers or instrument players. John calls them SORCERERS who HAD deceived the world once and would finally be cast alive into the lake of fire.

Abaddon or Apollyon is the Leader of the Muses or Locusts.


The pulpit held up the BOOK and not the preacher.
READ from the Prophets: not from the Scribes

You can get a Phd from a once-Christian college to LEARN YOU that there is no Commands, examples or inferences: that makes them CO CHRISTS and they even claim MORE power than Jesus. I need to say it again to waste space.

The command was to
SPEAK various types of the BOOK of Psalms
The ODE and PSALLO is left in the heart meaning SILENT.

The only recorded history was that they READ the Psalms some of which are called TEACHING Psalms. We READ about bashing baby heads: we don't SING it as a "worship song."

After John Calvin it was not possible to SING a Psalm: that's why Paul said SPEAK the Psalms.

Calvin allowed some of the Psalms to be radically REWRITTEN and set to a simple meter to be sung in UNISON only long before instruments were imposed.

Say again: If there is noting SINGABLE in a tuneful sense in the whole Bible what shall we say of Phds who say that God COMMANDED congregational singing of psalms WITH instrumental accompaniment?

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Re: Ishtar and Easter Part F

April 27 2014, 11:56 PM 

Ephesians 5:19 (DRB)

Speaking to yourselves in psalms, and hymns, and spiritual canticles, singing and making melody in your hearts to the Lord;

Colossians 3:16 (DRB)

Let the word of Christ dwell in you abundantly, in all wisdom: teaching and admonishing one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual canticles, singing in grace in your hearts to God.


Sorry, but even the DRB can't bail you out.

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Re: Ishtar and Easter Part F

April 28 2014, 2:48 AM 

Some people contend that the "singing" mentioned in those two passages refers not to vocal singing but to metaphorical "singing" made by the heart. In other words, we are to speak the words to the hymns while the heart metaphorically "sings" with melodious grace. That, of course, is quite a stretch. Most people in the church of Christ interpret those two passages to mean we are to sing with the voice while the heart is metaphorically filled with melodious grace. Again, this is a nitpicking issue.

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Part F

April 29 2014, 7:08 PM 

Heb 2:12 is quite explicit.

Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. (KJV)

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Re: Ishtar and Easter Part F

April 27 2014, 9:52 PM 

So what's all this worry and nonsense about whether the early Christians sang hymns or chanted/spoke hymns of praise to God in the assembly? Is there something inherently sinful or otherwise "wrong" about singing hymns in the assembly [. . .]? Regardless of the personal twist that some folks may give to the word hymneo, since there is NO New Testament Scripture that explicitly says in so many words, "Thou shalt not sing praises in the assembly; thou shalt only speak them," then it matters not if hymns of praise are sung or chanted/spoken.

Nevertheless, if certain people are so compelled to believe that offering praises to God via singing is sinful or "wrong," then let them refrain from any form of singing in the assembly. Let them also not judge others for offering praises via vocal music.

There are FAR MORE things in this world to worry about than haggling and nitpicking over whether we should sing or speak hymns in the assembly. Talk about straining at the proverbial gnat. Great jumpin' Caesar's ghost!

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Re: Ishtar and Easter Part F

April 28 2014, 9:04 AM 

The authorized new testament link back to Psalms may give some folks heart burn. If you can't sing it, just speak it. I'm sure God will honor it. Have a good day. happy.gif

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Re: Ishtar and Easter Part F

April 28 2014, 3:08 PM 

Yes, based on Ephesians 5 I "speak to myselves in psalms."

Or as the ABSOLUTE Command, Example and remote inference I READ them for my learning. The BOOK of Psalms contains four major types of poetic but NEVER metrical and never sangable. Psalms is not a book with beginning, middle and ending but it is a collection AND many of them have Ugaritic roots. Many are filled with hate for David's personal enemies.

When they do not speak theology, Shepherd's Chapel may be the only group on the face of the earth which understands that "PREACH the Word by READING the word" means PREACH the Word (only) by READING the Word: I get great comfort listening to the TEXT as it has been written and almost always hear something in the text which I need to pursue."

NONE of them ever ever SUNG TO an instrument unless that instrument is NAMED. If you just tell simple simon to PLUCK you can never tell what he will pluck.

Since singing or matching your voice to a sound is something you have to LEARN, the practice was to PLUCK a string and then match your voice to that sound (not music). David's Lyre had no sounding board and might be made of three or four sticks or bones with three gut strings stretched to the sound you would not call musical.

Harps like most guitar playing was a tuned PERCUSSION instrument. They had no G strings.

Everyone understood that melody IN THE HEART was melody IN the heart or mind. God is not simple minded: He could have told Paul to write

SING psalms, hymns and spiritual songs

If you have such an opinion of God don't be surprised, says Christ in Isaiah 30, that when you HEAR the sounds of wind, string and percussion instruments you are being DRIVEN INTO HELL or into the LAKE of fire.

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Ishtar-Easter Begins in the Garden Part G

April 28 2014, 1:42 PM 

We have noted that Christ gave APT elders as the only pastor-teachers of the flock: the command is to "teach that which has been taught." The command is to excise the cunning craftsmen or sophists: God hides from the sophists who are self-speak preachers, singers, instrument players, actors and even DANCERS. The reason says Paul in Ephesians 4 is that they LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE. That is their job: that is their destiny.

Only after you silence the DECEIVERS is it possible to hold ekklesia, synagogue or Church of Christ.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry,
.....for the edifying [EDUCATION] of the body of Christ:

Any interest in using "one mind and one mouth to SPEAK that which is written for our learning" would not impose musical performers which the most archaic tribal people did not understand was a way to spook your pants off.

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of THE FAITH,
.....and of the KNOWLEDGE of the Son of God,
.....unto a perfect man,
.....unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Ephesians 4:15 But SPEAKING the truth in love,
.....may grow up into him in all things,
.....which is the head, even Christ:

Cunning craftsmen or Sophists take over when the peer-selected elders NOT APT violate the direct command and HIRE those Paul warned are LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.

The LIE by claiming that there is any remote hint about music beginning with the church in the wilderness.
They lie when they despise the Word of Christ in the prophets Who defines the REST in the synagogue for the godly class and the future rest when Jesus puts down the COVENANT WITH DEATH AND HELL: these are places but they are primarily GODS in the minds of those OF the world for whom Jesus refused to even pray.

They LIE in wait knowing that it takes ten to twenty years of lying TO GOD and ABOUT GOD before they get violent and ugly and claim that a "spirit" as a result of the 40 day plan TOLD them that God commanded instruments and threaten anyone who stands in their way. That is why they are a dangerous CROOKED RACE who would even hold prayer services--as we have heard it confessed--for the old people to get out or get a funeral.

So, it is important to note that the SERPENT as a DECEIVER will always be a Daughter of Eve whatever the sex. Jesus and Peter said that we should SAVE OURSELVES from the CROOKED RACE: We know that this speaks of the elders not being NEAR WINE in the symposium from which we get the SKOLION along with the crooked music. They were never so vile that they did not EJECT the flute-girl and the harp-boy when they needed not to be drunk on wine but SPEAK to some important issue. The METHEUO word is often used of being FLUTED DOWN WITH WINE.

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Re: Ezekiel 8 Easter Part E. Easter or Ishtar+Boshet

April 28 2014, 2:57 PM 

A Disciple wants to learn whatever there is to know: I try to post the Biblical context along with the secular context and then let it lie there.

A Disciple of Christ does no USE the Word as a way to manipulate people. Here is a picture of Ishtar TRIUMPHING over the Lion of the Tribe: In Catholicism SHE appears on a cross. This is the Osiris, Isis and Horus model: unfortunately Isis could never find Osisis' penis so she had to be a virgin mother.

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At the same time the men were turning the backs to the temple which they claimed was a house for Jehovah and bowing to the East. The East means that they were worshiping the goddess of their origin. Why not, If God ABANDONED them to Worship the Starry host. The men came to regret that act of feminist worshiping a mother goddess. Believe it or not, Jochin and Boaz were HERMES or phallic symbols BUT they were symbols of the MOTHER goddess. Anath worshipped by the Jews had a breastplate covered with male penis'.

It's all laid out in great detail and people have no choice in the matter.

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Re: Ezekiel 8 Easter Part E. Easter or Ishtar+Boshet

April 29 2014, 6:58 PM 

Kenny, why are you so STAUNCH ?

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Re: Ezekiel 8 Easter Part E. Easter or Ishtar+Boshet

April 30 2014, 10:29 AM 

Because my real name is Obamaski

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This is the real GATE OF HELL: Jesus was standing on the large rock in front: The gates of Hell which will NOT prevail over the church (A LITTLE FLOCK quite invisible) is the temple of PAN: you know that little cappella fella playing his pan pipes for his mail friends.

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