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Ken Sublett
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Re: CENI Commands Examples Inferences Part A + B

May 3 2014, 9:45 PM 

good point: the bound book is a very large library.

If Scripture says that God turned Israel over to worship the starry host because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai

And Christ in the prophets says that God did not command the Civil-Military-Clergy complex to which He abandoned them.

And Christ in the prophets warns against the "lying pen of the Scribes."

And Jesus calls the Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites. And in the Ezekiel 33 version by the Spirit OF Christ He names entertaining speakers for hire, singers, instrument players and the audience.

Then we understand that Sola Scripture uses pagan worship rituals to tell us what we are NOT to do. The Levite's use of noise making instrument for prophesying (soothsaying-sorcery), does not mean an APPROVED EXAMPLE for us?

If David wants to bash in the heads of little babies and wants to worship in the FIRMAMENT with the girl's instruments, that is not Sola Scripture as a PATTERN for the School of the Word.

It is a fact that if a preacher can find David using an instrument in any context, THEY SAY that God commands instrumental praise for THIS church (My old defunct congregation in Murfreesboro.)

Sola Scripture is for our LEARNING and not a grab bag for picking up loose scraps to help MARKET false teaching. I am working on understanding Dark Matter: I don't ever intend to use any of it in a utilitarian way.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: CENI Commands Examples Inferences Part A + B

May 3 2014, 9:29 PM 

Thank you very much you can repent now or repent never. We now have the Scriptures readily available to us. Through the careful study of Gods Word, it is clear that many church traditions which have developed over the centuries are in fact contradictory to the Word of God. This is where sola scriptura applies. Traditions that are based on, and in agreement with, Gods Word can be maintained. Traditions that are not based on, and/or disagree with, Gods Word must be rejected. Sola scriptura points us back to what God has revealed to us in His Word. Sola scriptura ultimately points us back to the God who always speaks the truth, never contradicts Himself, and always proves Himself to be dependable.

That has nothing to say about what I study or post: it only applies to elders who are not gifts from Christ in that they do not follow the command to elders to excise the cunning craftsmen or sophists (rhetoricians, singers, instrument players) SO that we can speak that which is written for our learning.

It is a good thing that there was no liturgical act (magic) of singing before the year 373 which split the east from the west churches.

It is a very good thing because Sola Scripture does not include any commanded resource which can or ever was sung tunefully.

It is Sola Scripture that Jesus paid it all especially the Temple Tax and He removed the laded burden and burden laders from off our backs. Jesus said that ALMS should go from my hand to the hand of the poor. Paul DID NOT COMMAND even a ONE TIME OFFERING form the famine. He said it was NOT A COMMAND and Sola Scripture was never so dishonored until recently.

Sola Scripture does not authorize a preacher as in I WILL MAKE UP MY OWN silly jokes and personal references which violate the command of WORD or Logos.

Sola Scripture authorizes only APT Elders and Deacons which are THE MINISTERS.

Sola Scripture defines the ROLE of a true church as "to make known the Word of God TO THE WORLD."

By EXCLUSION Sola Scripture does not authorize "ministries or ministers" beyond the vocational deacons. It does not authorize PROGRAMS beyond being A School of the Word. From the wilderness onward Sola Scripture speaks of the assembly ONLY on the REST DAY: Sabbath outlawed all that you plan to do in the name of Jesus. Jesus used the word PAUO which means STOP the self-speaking, liturgical singing (magic), stop the playing, stop the theatrics meaning stop the PANIC created by religious rituals which induces fright if they really believe that YOU have the power to lead them into the power.

Look carefully in the morning and see an UNAPPROVED EXAMPLE of having little to none of the DNA of the Gospel of the KINGDOM.

Young people catch on about grade 6 and will rise up and called you cursed because you really had NO interest in the Word you claim as the resource for your living off widows and honest workers.

My informed guess is that you will perform the liturgical ACT of reading which WORK is fulfilled by read a small part of one verse. The preacher will use it as his TEXT FROM GOD but he may fail to mention either the verse or the context.









 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: CENI Commands Examples Inferences Part A + B

May 2 2014, 3:08 PM 

If you are not at least 12 years old, or not in reform school, you must have your mother's written permission to go potty on this forum.

I had swine for lunch and its spirit (breath) had left it.

Back then we used a 22 between its eyes and I never saw a little spirit person leave it.

 
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Bill
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Re: CENI Commands Examples Inferences Part A + B

May 2 2014, 7:42 PM 

If only this forum had a feature that Facebook does: posters' ability to block witless, vulgar people masquerading as religous fanatics.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: CENI Commands Examples Inferences Part A + B

May 3 2014, 12:41 AM 

Posters have that feature or capability ... without that Facebook. Why not put it to use?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: CENI Commands Examples Inferences Part A + B

May 2 2014, 7:59 PM 

I forgot to add the link to this clay tablet. Abraham and Moses would have read the originals and made certain that they children knew the real and virtual abnormality of performance religion making certain that people could not hear the Word.

The Me were gifts of an unholy spirit. Inanna, Genun, and Jubal were given the gift of music by satan. Enlil was the god of the air and the head of the pantheon from about 2500 B.C. Enlil raped his future bride, Ninlil, and was exiled to the nether world. Ninlil followed him and gave birth to the moon god Sin or Nanna. They have three other children who remain in the nether world so that Enlil could return to earth. Nanna was married to Ningal and their children were Inanna and Utu. Enlil also supplied the gifts or ME.

The ME were documents usually poetic: by reciting these TABLETS or BOOKS she could PRODUCE whatever it was she praised. That is the meaning of "praise singing."

http://www.piney.com/BabEaGifts.html


 
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^Sarge
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Religious Syncretism

May 3 2014, 3:31 PM 


Some here attempt to blend pagan myths with the Word of God. I was raised to honor and respect the Word of God. I am just a mere Southern Baptist visitor at CM and it is your show to manage. By all means "carry on".

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Religious Syncretism

May 3 2014, 4:10 PM 

Syncretism is blending pagan myths and practices with the School (only) of the Word (only) of Christ (only) in the Prophets and Apostles for BUILDING on the foundation that which will not be burned up.

How would YOU know about Pagan Myths unless I (yes, I) tried to define Pagan Myths. It turns out that MYTHS includes the introductions, jokes, or making up self-reference stories to ENHANCE verse 3d used as the preacher's TEXT. Logos or WORD is what one SPEAKS and cannot be a people: Logos outlaws such self-speaking, poetry, singing, playing, acting or dancing as AIDS to the word Christ commanded to be PREACHED by being READ to prevent even inflections as commentary. Elders in the synagogue were literally OVER the reader of the Text (only) to make certain that the reader did not add any umms, oohs, comments or even inflections which are powerful commentary. After the Educational Only assembly everyone went about their own work. Rabbi were usually around the synagogues and available as private teachers by private pay. The poor box was for the poor and widows: there is no Bible or early history which teachers otherwise.

I am not in the assembly but in my Man Cave with all of my books, computers, antique radios from crystal sets onward to my Grandfather's first electric radio. So, I am free to do what I would not teach when charging for the free water of the Word. There are Classic's High Schools.

I told you that Pagans believed that MUSIC could CHARM the gods and therefore exercise CONTROL over them. That is why you need the contemporaneous literature to AFFIRM the Bible which defines ANYTHING you do to ENHANCE the Word of God as SORCERY or WITCHCRAFT. You can exercise witchcraft by "boiling frogs" to hypnotize them into believing lies. You cannot exercise witchcraft by boiling bats in a cauldron. However, if you are literature literate you understand that Sorcery is better performed by getting people "fluted down with wine" than any other drug.

The Praise Teams claim that they can Lead you into the presence of God: There is only ONE mediator between man and the ONE GOD THE FATHER, the MAN Jesus Christ. Therefore, rhetoricians, singers and instrument players are suddenly standing in the HOLY PLACES (of church architecture) CLAIMING that they are God's latter day Apostles or even Christs.

A student never ceases learning: I have my first book on Electrical Engineering (c 1954) and a 1920 algebra book in my bathroom where I read. So why DEPRIVE the lambs you claim to shepherd so that they starve for lack of the free water and bread of the Word? Missed Amos 5-8 and Isaiah 5?



 
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^Sarge
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Re: Religious Syncretism

May 3 2014, 6:29 PM 


A student never ceases learning: I have my first book on Electrical Engineering (c 1954) and a 1920 algebra book in my bathroom where I read.

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I have a feeling you spend far too much time in the bathroom. A cheat sheet just for you that you can put in your pocket. happy.gif





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Ken Sublett
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Re: Religious Syncretism

May 3 2014, 8:34 PM 

That's the best way to make certain that you are not full of it.

 
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Bill
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Re: Religious Syncretism

May 3 2014, 4:58 PM 

Yes, Sarge, when it comes to religious discussions, this site will "carry on" the centuries-old tradition of going down dead-end roads time and time again.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Religious Syncretism

May 3 2014, 6:05 PM 

Yes, Sarge, Bill continues to deride, despise and detest the forum he can't leave and leave alone. Bill, have you tried the ex-churchofchrist discussion board? Why not expend your time and energy more wisely there?

 
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Bill
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Re: Religious Syncretism

May 3 2014, 6:34 PM 

Sarge, what's really odd is that Donnie approves messages for posting, then turns around and bitterly complains about how they "deride, despise and detest [this] forum." It's as though he enjoys berating those who criticize his forum.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Religious Syncretism

May 3 2014, 7:21 PM 

Folks may just be curious about your negative comments, Bill (previously an ardent supporter of "this" forum). You see ... they would have no way of knowing your non-constructive criticisms if they were unpublished.

Now, if you would simply participate in discussing the doctrinal matter at hand -- that would be desirable. We are discussing "CENI" -- a topic you can thoroughly explain to those who are not familiar with the principle.

 
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Bill
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Re: Religious Syncretism

May 3 2014, 7:28 PM 

So, Donnie, what would be the rationale for publishing posts that were, in your opinion, "non-constructive," unless your intent was to get a thrill out of bashing them? BTW, this is for your eyes only. happy.gif

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Religious Syncretism

May 3 2014, 10:53 PM 

Oops! Just clicked the "Approve Message" button. Not inadvertently, though. But you've been bashing this site and its moderators for how long now? That's what I meant by "non-constructive."

 
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Bill
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Something for Consideration

May 3 2014, 9:00 PM 

From the way things look, if all the responders who criticized this site were to depart, then Donnie and Ken would virtually be the only ones left to post here on any kind of regular basis. Maybe that's what they ultimately want---no opposing views from anyone.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Something for Consideration

May 3 2014, 11:10 PM 

Bill, it would be beneficial if you engaged in the discussion. Sarge has submitted an excellent article on "Sola Scriptura." It is undeniable that thousands of denominations (Protestant and Catholic) have emerged because of their founders' "unbiblical, extra-biblical and/or anti-biblical doctrines."

 
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Scripture
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Rick Warren

May 3 2014, 9:27 PM 

Sarge, what do you think of Rick Warren?



 
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^Sarge
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Re: Rick Warren

May 4 2014, 12:16 AM 


I know Rick Warren is a man.

Goodnight.

 
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