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Ken Sublett
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Re: CENI Commands Examples Inferences Part A + B + C + D

June 9 2014, 8:14 PM 

People who claim that they speak where the Bible speaks are tippy toeing through the brimstone.

Most younger preachers to not "teach that which is written" and may preach about themselves and others and jump in just in time in passing to mention the partial verse of the ACT OF READING.

If he speaks about his own experiences or opinions he is in violation of speaking where the LOGOS speaks. Why? Why, in getting ready to preach he never grasps that LOGOS is exclusive of all the practices actually condemned in the Bible. He/she does not KNOW what the Bible SPEAKS because they cannot define WORDS.

If he "moralizes" he violates the Word or Logos. If he sings, plays, claps or acts he has no intention of SPEAKING where th=he Bible SPEAKS.

If he/she SINGS that which is NOT written for our LEARNING he has no interest in anything the Word speaks to us.

If he/she condemns PRAYER BOOKS but uses SONG BOOKS it is clear that he/she does not believe that the Bible is adequate.

If he/she uses CLASS BOOK upholding a creed or teaching the dogma of the denomination which they rely on he/she believes that the BIBLE is not relevant and the Methodist Sunday School Board knows better.

If he/she takes the youth to "get aways" featuring men who have lied to God and about God he/she does not depend on the Bible and tells the youth that the word must be enhanced by gender-bleeders.

If he/she lies about the historic documents and claims that they approved of instruments or any kind of histrionics then you must be informed about recorded history to tell him that liars burn along with sorcerers defined as all religious craftsmen, singers and instrument players. If he/she cannot define a sorcery then people will believe that in SINGING where the Bible does not sing is the same thing as speaking that which is written for our learning.

How many will be interested? Not many. That's the PATTERN defined very clearly.

 
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Re: CENI Commands Examples Inferences Part A + B + C + D

June 9 2014, 5:27 PM 

I have asked it before and been given the usual concerned members run around, but lets try it again.....
Could you understand and do the Will of God if you had ONLY the Holy Scriptures?


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Re: CENI Commands Examples Inferences Part A + B + C + D

May 23 2014, 11:56 AM 

Maybe this will help explain where all of the members have gone. Like my wife's Jeep Mechanic: "Mam, I broke your heater but I can fix it for 300 dollars."

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I DID NOT accuse anyone: I just said that the Bible and recorded history knows of no exception. I told you about David's naked dance? The facts are that performers of religious operations MUST be performed by males but they perform the ROLE OF WOMEN. Plato noted that this LAW in theater and religion always produced a GENDER BLEED.

A Disciple of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles needs no LAWS to prevent the ONLY worship concept in the Church in the Wilderness and in the Ekklesia of Christ was to GIVE HEED TO THE READING OF THE WORD FOR COMFORT AND DOCTRINE. That is why the sudden infiltration by the effeminate (rhetoric, singing, playing, acting, clapping, arm waving) is the fulfillment of Prophecy.

We only need CENI to keep the false teachers off our backs.


    
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Re: CENI Commands Examples Inferences Part A + B + C + D

May 23 2014, 12:39 PM 

I try not to judge what I don't understand but I have always believed that the giant outbreak of homosexuality which is leading to silencing everyone was CAUSED by a radical change of secular and religious music and its performers which breaks down all morality: that is why a worshipful preacher can actually tell how to TRANSISTION a congregation away from its founders. The weapon has been an escallating form of Praise Worship which flowed out of the New Wineskinners or Vineyard which flowed out of Fuller and into a college near you.

Markus, in RECITING THE BOOK warns about the rise of effeminate which is no longer hidden. The Highland Church which gave you the Herald of Truth church splitters boasts about a lesbian leading a Bible class and even dialoged in the public "worship." Much earlier, the rise of music which flowed out of the snake handlers and voodoo was claimed to be IDOLS and a debaser of gender 150 years ago. If Christ prophesied it then it has to break out with BIBLICAL PROPORTION.

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Again, notice that I didn't say that it is TRUE: I just said you will find no exception in the Bible and other recorded history. That's also why they will never respond to your posts or mails.


    
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Re: CENI Commands Examples Inferences Part A + B + C + D

May 23 2014, 8:47 PM 

We have noted that "melody as tunefulness belongs to the 19th century." Melody in the modern sense would permit only a series of single notes.

Greek harmony usually meant two voices "speaking" the same words. Magadizing involved the male voice and the children and women one octave up. That is still not modern harmony.

We have noted that God provided nothing which can be sung tunefully and it never was. It is not a matter of good or evil but WHAT WAS is what was and it is not ethical to project the modern mind disturbing musical forms backward.

Why do you suppose that churches of Christ make no attempt to learn how to mutually confess God by speaking that which is written for our learning? Why doesn't a song book of human compositions fit the same pattern as a PRAYER BOOK since hymns to the Greeks ARE prayers.

"In Gnostic circles religious poetry arose to compete with the Old Testament Psalms. Some Catholics therefore distrusted the composition of hymns after this pattern, on the ground that they might smack of heresy. Yet from at least the second century hymns were written by the orthodox which, like their Gnostic counterparts, employed the forms of Greek poetry...

Until near the end of the fourth century, in the services of the Catholic Church
only the Old Testament Psalms and
the hymns or canticles from the New Testament were sung:

the other hymns were for personal family, or private use.
Gradually there were prepared versical paraphrases of the Psalms, hymns
with lines of equal length
, and hymns which were acrostic." (Latourette, Christianity. p. 207).


From Ephraim the Syrian and Aphrahat the Persian Sage

To Ephraim pertains the high and unique distinction of having originated-or at least given its living impulse to-a new departure in sacred literature; and that, not for his own country merely, but for Christendom.

From him came, if not the first idea, at all events the first successful example,
of making song an essential constituent of public worship,
and an exponent of theological teaching;
and from him it spread and prevailed through
the Eastern Churches, and affected even those of the West.

To the Hymns, on which chiefly his fame rests, the Syriac ritual in all its forms owes much of its strength and richness; and to them is largely due the place which Hymnody holds throughout the Church everywhere.

And hence it has come to pass that, in the Church everywhere, he stands as the representative Syrian Father, as the fixed epithet appended to his name attests-" Ephraim the Syrian,"-the one Syrian known and reverenced in all Christendom.

From a few lines of Proba's work can be seen the problems with this approach: little of what was created could justifiably be placed alongside the great works of the past, and since that was an implicit target the failure to meet it was embarrassing;

more pressingly, such Christianisations did not appeal to the highly educated, who preferred to read the imitated originals,

and did not appeal to Christians who would not otherwise have read the originals, who needed something written to their own culture and not to that of a past elite.

In the Greek-speaking world the hymns that became a part of the Church's ritual were in rhythmic prose like that of their Eastern models; in the West Latin hymnody had to catch up with changes in the spoken language, where syllables were no longer divided by quantity, and stress had become decisive.

Arius, like Bardesan and Ephraem, used the genre of the theological song, music as propaganda. Besides the Thalia, Arius is said to have written and set to music songs for sailors, millers and travellers.73 Valentinus too had written psalms to spread his opinions.7

Augustine provides a vivid example of the way music was used to promote a theological cause in the acrostic song he wrote detailing the mistakes and wrongs of the Donatists.

As with many other Christian developments, it seems that heretics catalysed the emergence of the Christian hymn in the fourth-century.






 
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Re: CENI Commands Examples Inferences Part A + B + C + D

May 23 2014, 9:37 PM 

THE NISIBENE HYMNS 373 A.D. HYMNS AND HOMILIES OF EPHRAIM THE SYRIAN

http://www.piney.com/EphraimHymns.html

A laded burden is a refrain which repeats over and over with no intention to teach any new material: when you repeat, repeat that is called sorcery because it intends to create a state of mind not connected to the Word. In these hymns, the speaker PREACHES the Word by READING it or reciting it.

The short RESPONSIVE statement would simply acknowledge what had been read or spoken. He would not have been much of a Christian if he had added in all of the dittys, umms, ahhs, clapety clap clapp. You have to see the difference between repeating the biblical facts in your own words and making up a silly praise song proving that the "praise team" knows nothing and cares nothing.

Ephraim the Pearl Seven Hymns.

http://www.piney.com/Ephraim.Pearl.Seven.Hymns.html

As you can see writing HYMNS are to PRAISE someone or thing: you don't do that by repeating "praise the lord" 20 times with a clapy de clap clap



    
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Re: CENI Commands Examples Inferences Part A + B + C + D

June 8 2014, 12:12 PM 

We have noted that the Qahal, synagogue, ekklesia or Church of Christ (the Rock) is defined both inclusively and exclusively after the "nobility" and women fell into musical idolatry of the always-pagan Egyptian trinity. Genesis 49 has Jacob cursing the tribe of Levi and warning about ever entering into covenant with them or attending their ASSEMBLIES. Qahal is still a Jewish word for the synagogue as SCHOOL.

The Spirit OF Christ drives a SPIKE in the speaking, singing and instrument players always the mark of the GOATS trying to Silence the Lambs so that they could SELL their own false religion and silence the WORD of God. Scribes and Pharisees says Jesus are HYPOCRITES meaning "self-speakers, singers and instrument players." They make up their own songs and sermons SO THAT you can never hear the Word of God PREACHED by being READ for comfort and doctrine. That requires no STAFF always called PARASITES in pagan religion especially the instrumental noise makers.

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Once a congregation moves beyond preaching or teaching that which HAS BEEN TAUGHT with a low level of financing to take care of the SCHOOL and its members and begins to add the Purpose Driving Cult of adding huge numbers of STAFF, the man you hired as "minister" becomes master as the NOT-APT elders SET A KING OVER US you quickly become a CULT where in the words of Shelly "members no longer have the right to read, interpret or speak the word OUTSIDE the community reading" which means no one but the preacher gets the right to speak.

Notice that Christ in the prophets OUTLAWS or MARKS everything going on in the "progressive" churches which want to be ALL things to ALL people. The god worshiped by them and Oprah is called ALL: she and the "ecumenical" churches don't know that the god called ALL is PAN.



    
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Re: CENI Commands Examples Inferences Part A + B + C + D

June 8 2014, 12:54 PM 

This should have come first.

Isaiah 4: 3 And it shall come to pass,
.....that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem,
.....shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:

Isaiah 4: 4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof
.....by the SPIRIT of judgment, and by the SPIRIT of burning.

This is the Viper Race who received the baptism of WIND and FIRE.

Isaiah 4: 5 And the Lord will create upon
.....every dwelling place of mount Zion,
.....and upon her assemblies [Invoco called]], a cloud and smoke by day,
.....and the shining of a flaming fire by night:
.....for upon all the glory shall be a defence.

Jesus and His Word is the LIGHT of the World: your stinking billy goats are NOT.

Dwelling: 168. ohel, o´-hel; from 166; a tent (as clearly conspicuous from a distance):covering, (dwelling)(place), home, tabernacle, tent.

Assembly: 4744. miqra, mik-raw´; from 7121; something called out, i.e. a public meeting (the act, the persons, or the place); also a rehearsal: assembly, calling, convocation, reading.

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The place of DEFENSE is a Safe House into which those OF FAITH are placed for safety FROM those OF THE WORLD or those who are simply FLESH and do not have A holy spirit or A good conscience. This is the ABILITY Jesus gives to those who retreat into their TENTS for prayer (worship) and to give alms from THEIR HAND directly into the hand of the DESTITUTE without being filtered and pilfered through the BUDGET.

Defense: 2646. chuppah, khoop-paw´; from 2645; a canopy:chamber, CLOSET, defence.
protectio , ?nis, f. protego,
I. a covering over; trop., a protecting, protection (postclass.): fidei, Tert. Fug. in Persec. 2: armorum, Ambros. Serm. 8: Dei, Vulg. Psa. 90, 1.

Jesus said our prayers should be in the CHAPEL or CLOSET which is NOT a place for WORSHIP in the sense of entertaining the CAPELLAS or Jumping, "horny" Goats trying to eat up our garden.

 
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The promise of REST from self-speakers, singers, players PROGRAMS Part B

June 8 2014, 4:29 PM 

PAN was a chief god of all ancient and modern paganism. People who boast about singing ACapella prove by their "style" that they are the GOAST and the massed multitudes will always be attracted to the. Not the masses of those in the Church of Christ who were trained before the infiltration and diversion of the universities to the instrumental sect. However, if there is more than 7.5 billion people in the world and the ALPHA GOATS mount the HILLS churches and usually wind up with FEWER members than when they began, their boast that they are going to use MONEY AND MUSIC to start building 60,000 new "daughter" congregations can be discounted as proof of God slapping them with strong delusions so that they believe their own lie with lying wonders defined EXACTLY as what the progressives think that THEY imposed on themselves.

Jer. 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Cubile I.a place of rest, a couch, bed.

Matt. 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Heb. 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Heb. 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Heb. 13:22 And I beseech you, brethren, suffer the word of exhortation: for I have written a letter unto you in few words.


The UNITY IN DIVERSITY passage really says that the cunning craftsmen or sophists meaning self-speakers for hire, singers or instrument players MUST BE REMOVED because THEY LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE. There is no way they could be so ignorant of the word and minimal ethics so if your hireling becomes master wants to sign you up for a PROGRAM Just say No and stop sinning by feeding him.

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Jesus died to give us REST from the works of YOUR hands Part C

June 9 2014, 5:43 PM 

We are warned that even the electos or those called OUT of the WORLD and into a spiritual kingdom. Efforts to SILENCE the LAITY (LAIDITY) can expose a very violent, goatish face being RESTRAINED only by cowardice.

Matt. 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt. 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt. 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matt. 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt. 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matt. 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Matt. 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matt. 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matt. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken

People even boast that "we haven't taught the anti-instrumental position for three decades." Only those who have gone or going instrumental can BUY AND SELL at the Mercantile Markets held at once christian colleges. BUT, the KAIROS church planting of instrumental churches using non-instrumental LAUNCH SITES knows that their TIME (Kairos) is short.

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Isaiah 4: Umbrella to protect from the CULTS part D

June 10 2014, 10:51 AM 

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Re: CENI Commands Examples Inferences Part A + B + C + D

June 21 2014, 3:12 PM 

Ken,
I appreciate your answers and deep convictions on this subject. Obviously, you have put much thought into this issue and are clearly very concerned about how it pertains to other practices, especially the use of musical instruments.

I am a simple man and like to think that the principles and teachings of the Bible are clear and easily inferred to everyone, even those without advanced degrees or understanding of Greek and Hebrew. At its most basic, this idea of prohibitive Biblical silence says that we must be strictly obedient to God's explicit instruction (which I think everyone agrees) and then abstain from God's lack of explicit instruction.


The model of CENI promoted by the Bible and the Campbells dis not hobble people. Rather, it liberates believers FROM those who need to IMPOSE something not commanded and not required into the simple School of The Word. Christ in Isaiah 58 defines the REST only. For the godly people the REST was FROM religious services held by all pagans worshiping the SUN which included SATURN. He did not exclude pews because synagogue houses had always existed in the larger cities nor did He exclude bathrooms. What He excluded was seeking your own pleasure and no one has blessed music with anything but pleasure at best and sorcery at worst. Then in Isaiah 58 He defined as NOT SPEAKING YOUR OWN WAYS as a way to restore the old paths. This CENI has been used in all religious groups including those who have a law excluding CENI so they can impose, like the Scribes and Pharisees, their own PATTERNS.

http://www.piney.com/Commands.Examples.and.Necessary.Inferences.html

Preachers don't have much time or incentive for Bible study: I find it hard to believe that people think that God has been silent on such a divisive issue as "making music" when He commanded that we come before Him in silence. Scripture is not silent but very vocal from the serpent as musical enchanter(ess) singing winding or twisting song whom Christ called (as Lucifer) the "singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden" to the end defined in Revelation 17.

John warns about the rise of the Babylon Mother of Harlots and the "lusted after fruits" as defined in Amos 8 and as the dogs encompassing Jesus as religious craftsmen, singers and instrument players. He calls them sorcerers using the same title as the Babylon Mother Goddess. He says that they will be cast alive into the Lake of Fire. The Spirit OF Christ revealed the Prophetic Type in Isaiah 30. Using the Jews going in musical processions to Jerusalem to burn infants, He says that the same marks of wind, string and percussion instruments will be the mark in sight and sound of God driving His enemies into "hell."

http://www.piney.com/Isa30LXX.html

The ekklesia or synagogue is defined as A School of the Word: the Campbells called it A School of Christ. "vocal or instrumental rejoicing" was prohibited for the Church in the Wilderness because the only purpose of the Holy Convocation was to Rest, Read and Rehearse the Word. God never called Jews or Christians out for a "worship service" beyond the clear commands to "Give attendance to the (public) Reading of the Word for Comfort and Doctrine." The Lord's Supper was added as a teaching activity. If Jesus paid it all then I do not own tithes and offerings.

If you read carefully and define words Paul demands that the elders silence the cunning craftsmen or sophists meaning sellf-speakers, singers, instrument players or Actors. This is because Jesus said that God HIDES from the Wise or Sophists and Paul said that THE LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.. Only then could the "manifold wisdom of God be known by speaking the Word. In Romans 14 Paul silences all doubtful disputations or discussion of personal opinions. In Romans 15 he silences SELF-PLEASURE which is the Greek Areskos or Latin Placeo: this prohibites all of the performing arts specificial scenic, musical or rhetorical actors. THEN the command is to "use one mind and one mouth to speak that which is written for our learning" or "Scripture for our comfort." That means that God is never silent in associating all musical forms with people who tell God "I will not listen to your words."

No one was so archaic that they did not grasp that people who sang and beat on brass or cow hides knew that they were causing spiritual anxiety during which it was easy to steal their lambs.

The Law of Silence was invented and imposed by the Disciples of Christ. "If God hath not said 'thou shalt NOT use instruments, then WE have the right to add or impose and that becomes the will of Jesus."

The Biblical law of silence says that "If God has not commanded musical instruments then we have no authority to impose instruments aware that we are sowing discord.

The Qahal or synagogue or Church of Christ (the Rock) was ordained in the wilderness. However, as I have noted Jacob cursed the tribe of Levi and told us not to attend their qahal or synagogue not to enter into covenant with them. God did not command the Civil-Military-Clergy complex and it was David as King and the commanders of the army who paid the Levites to give glory to the not-commanded animal sacrifices after the not-commanded temple was built.

But it is hard to see in the examples of synagogue worship ( which is clearly more than a simple Wednesday night assembly to study the Bible), that there was any clear authority in the Bible for these practices, that were a major part of Jewish life and Sabbath and feast observances.

Jesus exampled the commanded pattern: He stood up to read from the prophets and then sat down and waited for discussion. The synagogues would normally have the scrolls on the pulpit opened primarily to the systematically-read Prophets. When Paul visited synagogues he was invited to speak. The synagogues had a poor box in the back for the poor only. Jesus commanded NOT sounding instruments when giving alms but slip it from your hand to the hand of the destitute. He commanded praying in the closet. Synagogues were normally open to take care of any need and provide a place for teachers to hold classes. By the time of Jesus especially the boys began attending school at about age 5. The only prayer was reciting the Shema which proves that there is just ONE GOD THE FATHER. Preaching or allegorizing was outlawed.

The synagogue as Qahal, ekklesia or Church of Christ (the Rock) was defined as an ALTERNATIVE to the qahal or synagogue of the Levites. It has a two piece PATTERN:

EXCLUSIVE of vocal or instrumental rejoicing or self-speaking people.
INCLUSIVE of Rest, Reading and Rehearsing the WORD as delivered to leaders over communities as small as ten families. Exodus 18

Jesus and His family were clearly obedient in observing temple worship (Luke 2:41,42) but certainly engaged in the addition of synagogue worship.

Jesus was born under the Law and He said that it would not pass away until everything prophesied about Him was fulfilled.

Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
Luke 2:41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
Luke 2:42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.


The Passover was not a public worship but a family activity: they would have bought a lamb, had it slaughtered by a priests, they would have roasted it and consumed it. Jesus participated in the LAST Passover, THEN ate the feast of unleavened bread at which He instituted the Lord's Supper. They DICTO or spoke A biblical hymn and then went out until the next appointed year. I doubt that Jesus followed the Jews who ruled as high bidders and drank four cups of intoxicating wine INTENDING to get drunk. I believe Jesus observed Passover at home or at Jerusalem and ATE ROASTED LAMB and bitter herbs. The Wine is a Babylon thing and I don't think the priestly family of Jesus ever fell into the folly: The command was to search for and remove all leven from the house and the godly Jews would have excluded wine as the produce of leaven. There is no evidence that Jesus and the Apostles drank four cups of fermented wine but used one of the cups of unleavened bread to institute the Lord's supper.

Jesus would have attended the synagogue on the REST days because He could not have walked out of the area although later He debunked the laws of the sabbath days travel.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that PREACH him, being READ in the synagogues every sabbath day.

To suggest that Jesus, from His time as a child until His ministry somehow refrained or failed to worship as His earthly family did in the synagogue doesn't make sense. Did Jesus not honor His earthly father and mother as they almost certainly took Him to synagogue each week to learn, worship, and observe the 7 feasts?

No: he attended SYNAGOGUE but he did not attend the Temple sacrifices.

Did He refuse the extraBiblical Passover wine year after year because it violated the idea of Biblical silence? Did He not give tithes from the wages of His carpentry work to the local synagogue? I know these questions are speculative, but it is a reasonable inference that Jesus participated in all these practices.

The tithe was ONLY to be given to the tribe of Levi to supply a daily dole of food but only when on duty. Those who tithed had been given free farms (stolen) with vineyards, orchards, houses and animals. They paid a tithe of their PROFIT but only food grown on their FREE lands. Carpenters were not given free FOOD PRODUCING properties and therefore were not commanded to tithe. I doubt not that Jesus helped support the poor which would have including priests living in his area.

The Jews followed the Babylonian Talmud: they added the 4 cups of wine with the intention of everyone including children got drunk. Passover was usually a HOME or family affair and I am certain that He observed the Passover until HE replaced the passover.

As far as Romans 4 and 5, Paul is clearly basing the logical underpinning of these two teachings on the premise that God is just and will not charge a person with sin or transgressing (going beyond) a law, if no law is given. Paul is using this as a basic principle of God' s nature and it is difficult to see how it would be limited to the context of these verses, any more than other principles of God's nature, like "All His ways are justice" is limited to Deut 32:4, "God is love" is limited to 1John 4:8 or God's "word is truth" is limited to John 17:17.

Isaiah validates the Law of Moses (Temple-state) and the testimony or the prophets:

Is. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Rom. 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Rom. 15:5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
Rom. 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1Pet. 4:10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
1Pet. 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


These are not LAWS OF MOSES but LAWS of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles. I am not sure why anyone would have much hope if they violate all of the commands to SPEAK the WORD or LOGOS.

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Jesus said that God HIDES from the Wise or Sophists meaning self-speakers, singers or instrument players. Jesus didn't make a law which saith THOU SHALT NOT BE A HYPOCRITE.

Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites and in Ezekiel 33 Christ named self-speakers for pay, singers and instrument players. Jesus didn't say "thou shalt not be a Scribe or Pharisee?

I posted the Mocking Jesus example: Jesus didn't make a law saying "thou shalt not mock me" but I don't need one. I believe that if you musically mock Jesus the promise of the Lake of Fire means that it is a law: it is not THE LAW OF MOSES.

Like I said, I'm a simple man and when verses are pretty explicit like this, I tend to take that at face value. It would appear to me there are all the elements needed for command, example, and necessary inference for true Biblical silence not being prohibitive.

The Disciples invented THEIR form of the Law of Silence which meant we will IMPOSE at will if God has not said not to do that: we know when we do it that we will engage in deliberate sowing of discord.

Churches of Christ obey what they "think" is commanded and don't need a LAW not to do something radically different. I am working on the ACappella Fallacy here

http://www.piney.com/Everett.Ferguson.A.Capella.Singing.in.Early.Church.html

 
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Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.

It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word of Jesus Christ.

At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly realm.

They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.

The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan. Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books, seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....

At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the "Community Church Movement"

Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready, or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the plans very nature, it had to be secret.

The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last 15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.

The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the elders went along unwittingly.

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5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
 

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