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Ken Sublett
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By their MARKS shall ye know them

September 5 2014, 7:54 PM 

How can you tell if what Ken is posting is correct?
Answer: if you can read it! LOL

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Re: By their fruits shall ye know them

September 5 2014, 8:31 PM 

Ken's posts deal with deep doctrinal/religious matters and issues. They require serious study moments -- understanding and comprehension. They're beyond the level of basic reading skills.

My two cents: "... if you can read it" ["can" = having the ability]. Some folks have that ability; others may not. happy.gif

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Re: Revelation -- The Beast --- Music --- and Hell Part A of several

September 5 2014, 8:54 PM 


You can be a "yes" man yourself if you can agree at least on certain issues. (I honestly think that you do on some issues, but do not [willingly] admit it.)

Is "Justified Means" going to be your new forum "handle"? Addressing you as "Justified" doesn't sound bad. happy.gif

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Who understands it?

September 5 2014, 9:04 PM 

Ephesians 1:13 Revised English Bible

"And in Christ you also--once you had heard the message of the truth, the good news of your salvation, and had believed it--in him you were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit. . . ."

Ken and Donnie do understand the connection between the message, truth, salvation, and the Holy Spirit.\

This may escape some of the self-satisfied and smug community church members.

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Re: Lipscomb University: Joseph Shulam Messianic Judaizer

September 5 2014, 8:00 PM 

Edward Fudge wants to make what scholarship translates as "eternity" as just a short period required for something to happen. For ever and ever or ages after ages is just a singular age to get the bad people snuffed out.

A disciple reads the text as it has been delivered and you should worry about a person who reads "beyond the sacred pages" saying that all of the "traditionalists" before him were wrong.

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Re: Lipscomb University: Joseph Shulam Messianic Judaizer

September 5 2014, 8:03 PM 

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Re: Lipscomb University: Joseph Shulam Messianic Judaizer

September 9 2014, 8:49 PM 

The Spirit OF Christ in Isaiah 30 said that God drives His enemies into "HELL" to the sound of wind, string and percussion instruments.

These are the same instruments Lucifer the singing and harp-playing prostitute brought into the Garden of Eden.

One of the "gods" they worshipped was Moloch in whose red hot arms the Jews burned infants while the clergy beat on instruments.

Stephen alerted the Clergy to the fact that God had ABANDONED them and not COMMANDED them to worship the starry host.

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Re: Lipscomb University: Joseph Shulam Messianic Judaizer

September 10 2014, 9:25 AM 

Ken said, Comments added in color

"The Spirit OF Christ in Isaiah 30 said that God drives His enemies into "HELL" to the sound of wind, string and percussion instruments."


Let the readers decide,

Isaiah 30 King James Version (KJV)

30:1 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the Lord, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

2 That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in the shadow of Egypt!

3 Therefore shall the strength of Pharaoh be your shame, and the trust in the shadow of Egypt your confusion.

4 For his princes were at Zoan, and his ambassadors came to Hanes.

5 They were all ashamed of a people that could not profit them, nor be an help nor profit, but a shame, and also a reproach.

6 The burden of the beasts of the south: into the land of trouble and anguish, from whence come the young and old lion, the viper and fiery flying serpent, they will carry their riches upon the shoulders of young asses, and their treasures upon the bunches of camels, to a people that shall not profit them.

7 For the Egyptians shall help in vain, and to no purpose: therefore have I cried concerning this, Their strength is to sit still.

8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:

9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the Lord:

10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

11 Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.

12 Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon:

13 Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.

14 And he shall break it as the breaking of the potters' vessel that is broken in pieces; he shall not spare: so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit.

15 For thus saith the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel; In returning and rest shall ye be saved; in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength: and ye would not.

16 But ye said, No; for we will flee upon horses; therefore shall ye flee: and, We will ride upon the swift; therefore shall they that pursue you be swift.

17 One thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one; at the rebuke of five shall ye flee: till ye be left as a beacon upon the top of a mountain, and as an ensign on an hill.

18 And therefore will the Lord wait, that he may be gracious unto you, and therefore will he be exalted, that he may have mercy upon you: for the Lord is a God of judgment: blessed are all they that wait for him.

19 For the people shall dwell in Zion at Jerusalem: thou shalt weep no more: he will be very gracious unto thee at the voice of thy cry; when he shall hear it, he will answer thee.

20 And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers:

21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.

22 Ye shall defile also the covering of thy graven images of silver, and the ornament of thy molten images of gold: thou shalt cast them away as a menstruous cloth; thou shalt say unto it, Get thee hence.

23 Then shall he give the rain of thy seed, that thou shalt sow the ground withal; and bread of the increase of the earth, and it shall be fat and plenteous: in that day shall thy cattle feed in large pastures.

24 The oxen likewise and the young asses that ear the ground shall eat clean provender, which hath been winnowed with the shovel and with the fan.

25 And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.

26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

27 Behold, the name of the Lord cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:

28 And his breath, as an overflowing stream, shall reach to the midst of the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of vanity: and there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people, causing them to err.

29 Ye shall have a song, as in the night when a holy solemnity is kept; and gladness of heart, as when one goeth with a pipe to come into the mountain of the Lord, to the mighty One of Israel.

Must ye always rejoice, and go into my holy places continually, as they that keep a feast? and must ye go with a PIPE, as those that rejoice into the mountain of the Lord, to the God of Israel Isaiah 30:29 LXX

30 And the Lord shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.

31 For through the voice of the Lord shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.

The Assyrians dominated the temple in Jerusalem literally and by the Jews whom God "turned over to worship the starry host."

32 And in every place where the grounded staff shall pass, which the Lord shall lay upon him, it shall be with TABRETS and HARPS: and in battles of shaking will he fight with it.

33 For Tophet [from Tabret] is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.

Rev. 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Rev. 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev. 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy SORCERS were all nations deceived.
Rev. 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Rev. 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Rev. 22:15 For without are dogs, and SORCERS, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

King James Version (KJV)

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Isaiah 30 Context Part A of several parts

September 10 2014, 1:26 PM 

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Isaiah 30 Context Part B of several parts

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Messianic Jews Jewish Pattern for Christianity

September 14 2014, 4:28 PM 

The end time PLAGUE which began with the synagogue of LEVI which Jacob warned us about.

YOUR church is built upon the pattern of the Catholics who built upon the pattern of the Jews including the LEVITES as their pattern for musical presenters (not congregational singing: they were not silly).

We have noted that the new church organization is based on the pyramid or the ziggurate tower of Babel: the Jewish Temple was a ziggurat because God abandoned them back to Babylonianism.

The rise of "instrumental music" is also founded on the Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites who were called soothsayers-sorcerers.

Much of this has been manipulated by Joseph Shulam who believes that Jesus was the Messiah but otherwise says that Jesus died to AFFIRM the Law of Moses. This is enough for him to rake in lots of appearances and money. However, God ABANDONED the Jews back to Babylon and the end time Babylon Mother of harlots (Revelation 17) uses lusted after FRUITS as speakers, singers and instrument players. They are SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world and would be cast alive into the lake of fire.

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It is a capital offense to work in rhetoric, singing, playing or collecting on the Sabbath

September 16 2014, 5:30 PM 

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After God CEASED CREATING on the Seventh Day, He began His ruling and educating on the EIGHTH DAY.

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New TORAH is not the OLD TORAH

September 21 2014, 4:41 PM 

Much of the prophesied apostasy is based on the universities and churches using JOSEPH SHULAM claiming to be a "Messianic Jew." However, that is a ploy to get someone to finance an ANTI-Biblical and ANTI-Christian fall from grace.

Joseph Shulam is a PRESIDE OVER at North Boulevard: his Hebrews and Galatians is nothing short of the prophesied lying in wait to deceive.

Messiah is not the Messiah of Christianity but defender and supporter of the Law of Moses they all the Torah as a slick word meaning a law.

The NEW COVENANT like the OLD BOOK OF THE COVENANT is for the PEOPLE and there are no Priests or Levites or Clergy of ANY KIND.

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Re: New TORAH is not the OLD TORAH

September 2 2016, 10:16 AM 

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Chrysostom Sinai the MARK PartpostA

September 2 2016, 11:50 AM 

We have noted that the BIBLE says that an assembly of Christ is BUILT UPON or educated by the Prophets and Apostles. Jesus limits Scripture defining the final REST (from religionists) to the Prophets and other prophecies about HIM.

The PROGRESSIVES, post christendom, post biblical striking with BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS use the Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites as their Patternist Partner.

No one with EYES AND EARS (A holy spirit or A good conscience-consciousness) can belive that they are not MARKED by the very false doctrine they make up out of what God calls EVIL IMAGINATION. THE claim visions and voices and the hassle of 40 days of prayer to prove that THEIR agenda is GOD'S agenda.

Scripture is careful to MARK anything beyond a day of REST where people can READ and REHEARSE "that which is written for their learning" as the work of Demons. KAIROS or Hermes or Mercury who invented Apollon's lyre is the ANTI-Logos spoken by Jesus when God breathed (not a spirit people) and Jesus SPOKE. Neither Jesus nor anyone in Scripture SANG the Word of God.

No historic scholar--at least as smart as your preacher--ever believed that God command a "house" built by human hands but a family, laos EXCLUDING Priests and Levites.

The only ROLE is TEACHER
The only RESOURCE is the Word, Logos, Regulative Principle, excluding any other input or hired staff.
Evangelists by definition cannot be LOCATED: even in the modern sense for the cost of building 60,000 HOUSES every household in each location can receive TEACHING RESOURCES. And at a fraction of the cost and using Paul's message EXTORTION by saying that giving even to the destitute is a COMMAND.

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So here: "Even the captivity impeaches the wickedness (which was the cause of the permission of sacrifice.")

"They made a calf in Horeb, and offered sacrifices to the idol:"
seeing that, before this the name of sacrifice is nowhere mentioned,
but only lively ordinances, and "lively oracles.

And rejoiced"-that is the reason for the feasts. Exod. xxxii. 5, 6.) "As it is written in the Book of the Prophets"-and observe, he does not cite the text without a purpose,

but shows by it that there is no need of sacrifices; saying: "Did ye offer slain beasts and sacrifice to Me?"-He lays an emphasis on this word (to Me?).

"Ye cannot say that it was from sacrificing to Me,
that ye proceeded to sacrifice to them:-"by the space of forty years:"
and this too, "in the wilderness," where He had most signally shown Himself their Protector.

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Background VALIDATING Campbells Sermon on the Law

September 3 2016, 10:31 PM 

Gods Holy Fire en Cukrowski, Mark Hamilton, and James Thompson

1. "Eliminating the Old Testament from our canon severely curtails our understanding of the character and activities of God..." (p. 49).
2. "Recovering the Old Testament conversely could transform us more fully into what we have always sought to be--Churches of Christ" (ibid.).

A Church of Christ is built upon the Prophets and Apostles. The prophets by the Spirit OF Christ are bound in a book containing The Old Testament but they repudiate both the Law of Moses and the Laws of the Monarchy.

3. "Recognizing that the Old Testament functions just as fully as the New in the canon of the church...." (p. 63).
4. "Too often, we in churches of Christ have made a mistake in removing the Old Testament, for practical purposes, from our canon. The hole in Scripture has produced a hole in the PRACTICE OF OUR FAITH" (p. 66).

Rom. 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Our faith is THE FAITH or THE WORD excluding rhetoric, singing, playing instruments, acting or EATING. THE FAITH is opposite to THE LAW: God abandoned the Jews to animal slaughter but He did not COMMAND it.

David Young God commanded Instrumental Music:

This is not a set of rituals but Psalm 33 invites us to a rich EXPERIENCE with God "Praise God with the harp, shout for joy, INVITATION to give EVERYTHING I HAVE

God is God and we are not: we have NOTHING to give.

Psa. 50:9 I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds.
Psa. 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
Psa. 50:11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.
Psa. 50:12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.
Psa. 50:13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?

NO: The antithesis is always:

Psa. 50:14 Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows [promises] unto the most High:
Psa. 50:15 And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.

The Spirit OF Christ in Isaiah 1; Jeremiah 7 etal SPEAKS that God did not command sacrifices or burnt offerings when He saved the people from bondage by Grace when the people obeyed Him and were baptized in the Red Sea.

THE ANTI-Spirit THEOLOGY of John Mark Hicks:

The Meaning of the Fellowship Meal [p.46]

John Mark Hicks: Several features characterize the fellowship meals of Israel. First, it is a moment of communion between God and his people.

God eats with his people as the fat is burned to him.
God is present at this meal. It is eaten before the Lord as if God sits at the table with the worshipper.
Thus, worshippers eat with assurance, thanksgiving and confidence as they experience communion with God in this meal. God comes to the table with his people as he calls them to a table to experience his communion.

"a time for sharing, prayer and conversation about what God has done for us... (p. 188).
It is a "Jubilee festival" (p. 63). He would have it observed with "resounding jubilation or enthusiastic outbursts" (p. 97).

I told you that God will not let Doctors of the Law let His Word past their lips:

Hab. 2:19 Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake [David's Lyre]; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it.
Hab. 2:20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.

None of the sons of Aaron JUBILATED when they ate in the Holy Place.


In the cultic practices, humans fulfilled their destiny: to take care of the gods' material needs. They therefore provided the gods with houses (the temples) that were richly supplied with lands, which people cultivated for them. In the temple the god was present in--but not bounded by--a statue made of precious wood overlaid with gold. For this statue the temple kitchen staff prepared daily meals from produce grown or raised on the temple's fields, in its orchards, in its sheepfolds, cattle pens, and game preserves, brought in by its fishermen, or delivered by farmers owing it as a temple tax. The statue was also clad in costly raiment, bathed, and escorted to bed in the bedchamber of the god, often on top of the temple tower, or ziggurat.

To see to all of this the god had priests trained as cooks, bakers, waiters, and bathers, or as encomiasts (singers of praise) and musicians to make the god's meals festive, or as elegists to soothe him in times of stress and grief. Diversions from the daily routine were the great monthly festivals and also a number of special occasions.

That also included exorcists and prostitutes.

Jesus paid the Temple Tax and said that SONS do not pay Temple Taxes, tithers or mandatory offerings.

The ancient and modern Babylonian Musical Praise Leaders were the ENCOMIAST

Britannica: Of Ceremonial objects:On occasion, objects have been used to COMPEL the sacred (or divine) realm to act or react in a way that is favourable to the participants of the ceremonies or to the persons or activities with which such rituals are concerned,

or to prevent the transcendent realm from harming or endangering them.
These objects thus can be mediatory devices to contact the divine world,
as, for example, the drums of shamans (religious personages with healing and psychic-transformation powers).

Conversely, they can be mediatory devices used by a god or other supernatural being to relate to man in the profane realm.

They may also be used to ensure that a chief or sovereign of a tribe or nation achieves,
and is recognized to have, the status of divinity in cultic or community ceremonies.
Of such a nature may be phallic cults.

Group music was always to VALIDATE the Alpha Male and to intimidate others by using Clergy Musicians. It still works: H. Bamfort Parkes says that these men were always "emotionally and sexually abnormal." They were EXCUSED from productive work and were parasites by claiming that THEY exercised the charismatic power to produce fertility. That might show up as "how many I baptized" or "how many came to hear and watch ME."

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Alexander Campbell Sermon on the Law Part A

September 7 2016, 5:01 PM 

Within the established religious institutions of His day Alexander Campbell's Sermon on the Law was quite radical. Long before the Reformation and independent of the Roman group, no scholar failed to grasp the ABCs of Bible knowledge.

The Bible is not a book but a collection of documents. These documents define a Righteous God dealing with various people. This is always a contrast to the pagan superstitions of men who had organized institutions claiming that they were the only authorized agents of the gods: if you didn't want the gods to hurt you then you had better feed, clothe, house, entertain and especially engage in holy sex. The "gods" were the "agents" of the gods and if you slept in the temple a god would visit you in the night.

God is defined as a Creator who SERVES His children and does not need for his children to become his slaves. Jehovah God, in contrast to the "gods" the Israelites had chosen at Mount Sinai, gives them REST and Quietness as the only way to serve Him.

"In the temple the god was present in--but not bounded by--a statue made of precious wood overlaid with gold. For this statue the temple kitchen staff prepared daily meals from victuals grown or raised on the temple's fields, in its orchards, in its sheepfolds, cattle pens, and game preserves, brought in by its fishermen, or delivered by farmers owing it as a temple tax. The statue was also clad in costly raiment, bathed, and escorted to bed in the bedchamber of the god, often on top of the temple tower, or ziggurat.

To see to all of this the god had priests trained as cooks, bakers, waiters, and bathers, or as encomiasts (singers of praise) and musicians to make the god's meals festive, or as elegists to soothe him in times of stress and grief.

Most of the God-Abandoned Jews to "worship the starry host" were not the noble Musical Worship Levites: the prophets warn about the lying pen of the scribe about the Temple and Jesus called them hypocrites: speakers, singers, instrument players etal. The Godly Jews were always at war with them.

"The ancient Middle East made a place for homosexuality and bestiality in its myths and rites. In the Asherah cult the qedeshim priests had a reputation for homosexual practices, even as the qedeshot priestesses for prostitution. Israel eventually banned both the qedeshim and qedeshot, while in Ugarit the and kohanim were priestly guilds in equally good standing. Baal is portrayed in Ugaritic mythology as impregnating a heifer to sire the young bull god. The biblical book of Leviticus (18:22;27) bans homosexuality and bestiality expressly because the Canaanite population had been practicing those rites, which the Hebrews rejected as abominations. Middle Eastern Religion.

Along with the LIMITS placed on the Law of Moses, all of the New Testament, most if not all historic Scholars and everyone denied that the Old Testament had anything to added beyond education to the Church as the Kingdom of Christ:

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,-namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us,-I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts? Even of the sacrifices as if to His name, in order that you might not serve idols. Which precept, however, you have not observed; nay, you sacrificed your children to demons.

ALL of the massive sowing of discord by institution-building preachers wants to use the Old Testament for authority UNLESS there is a LAW outlawing it.

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