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Tim Spivey Jay Guin the VINTERS just in time

September 28 2014 at 10:57 PM
Ken Sublett  (Login Ken.Sublett)
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Tim Spivey has begun a VINTAGE church (Aka Vineyard, new wineskins) church.

He goes into a frenzy applauding the new Elite Cohort of preachers and creator of new things. Lynn Anderson, Max Lucado, Rick Atchley, Rubel Shelly–all preachers my age admired these guys–and still do. He says that they are all LOVED BY CHURCHES OF CHRIST. You cannot have performance music or anything and be a church of Christ in the commanded sense of ekklesia or synagogue of Christ: A school of the word.

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Re: Tim Spivey New Vintage Church and Pepperdine ELITE COHORT

September 30 2014, 11:44 AM 

You cannot spread evil gossip and claim to 'speak that which is written' and actually give a personal interpretation and claim to be a part of the church of Christ.

I know Ken....You TOLD us.......

Therein lies the problem

YOU told us....

We will listen to God and His Word.....not YOU

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Re: Tim Spivey New Vintage Church and Pepperdine ELITE COHORT

October 1 2014, 12:42 AM 

David Fields,

Did you bother to read Tim Spivey's site? Ken provided the link:

It says: Jerry Rushford ... has become the pastor of a church of 4,000 that meets for 4 days every May in Malibu...."

"Pastor"? Well, Dave, that sounds like what/how Baptists would address their preacher. The New Testament church of Christ has pastors or elders oversee a congregation -- and you know it! "Reverend" Max Lucado has no complaint when addressed as such by the denominational world.

It also says: "... Mike Cope, Lynn Anderson, Max Lucado, Rick Atchley, Rubel Shelly -- all preachers my age admired these guys -- and still do. ..."

David, David, David. Do you recognize these change agents "in the brotherhood"? Maybe you should begin questioning their motive to restructure the church of Christ as "another denomination." And still "claim to be a part of the church of Christ"?

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Jay Guin Jesus not Firstborn Son of the church of Christ

October 2 2014, 6:29 PM 

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The Wineskinners or Vineters flow out of fuller to Lipscomb and a church near you.

October 3 2014, 5:47 PM 

We must repeat that the latest spawn of theologians and their "channelled" preachers have never read much of the Bible to get their Simon Magnos gift.
Or Paul is correct that God has sent strong delusions so that they are BOUND to believe their own lies. Lying Wonders are defined in the available literature as the Scribes and Pharisees Jesus called hypocrites as speaking for hire, singing, playing instrument, acting or dancing.
Or, they know their PREdestiny and are LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.

Scripture and the most recorded history "gives us a way of escape" knowing that Christ in Isaiah 3 warned about women and BOYS (the effeminate) ruling over you. The persona and acting styles indicates that they may be proud to be AGENTS OF CHANGE. The only thing you can do is send the Word out into the world and let God take care of His light work..

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