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Ken Sublett
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Saved by grace through faith From WHAT? Part Three

November 7 2014, 3:44 PM 

Most of the religionists have a burr in a soft place and love to make war on people by trying to make them into legalistic fools. Unfortunately, with such an attidude they can no longer speak where the Scriptures speak because God has sent them strong delusions making them into fools or buffoons: that is the WRATH Paul wants to prevent by keeping both men and women silent "so that we might all be saved or SAFE" by Grace which teaches us and faith which obeys what we are taught.

Eph. 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph. 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:


Don't they say that the Spirit of Christ and Paul were stupid and therefore blaspheme when--if he had a degree--He could have said "And you hath he quickend BY grace THROUGH faith.

No one is QUICKENED with A new holy spirit BY FAITH or GRACE. They simply do not want Jesus to tell them what they MUST do: probably some unresolved conflict with their mother, it has been suggested.

This is identical to Paul's other messages where we are quickened or made ALIVE only after we have obeyed in Baptism as the only way to receive A holy spirit able to be added to the School of Christ.

Eph. 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph. 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph. 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


We have shown that the WORKS or LEGALISM people spend fortunes on are Hirelings who speak on their own, singers, instrument players, actors, dancers or any of the many MINISTRY STAFF who either justify themselves by their WORKS or they are parasites. In any case to call people legalists because they will not participate with and pay for silly creatures to sing their won silly wailings is based on an irrational HATRED for people who will attend their Gig.

All of the cunning craftsmen have talent (they hope), practice, rehearse, perform, get judged as part of their PAY and steal from the purses of the poor.

I keep saying it because the world of University Land having rejected the word are in the mist of the most terrible and dangerous acting out of Strongly Deluded people who, according to the story of ENOCH, know that they have fallen and cannot get up and need warm bodies.

More on the fact that Paul says that GRACE and FAITH will be marked by repudiating the angels of light or blight. They think that if they just turn up the volume they can prove that all of those empty pews and for-sale buildings just needs another level of Obamaism to get spiritual health which they claim can be procured as the SPIRIT OF DIVINATION.

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Serious Business!

November 14 2014, 12:07 PM 


Another fine article!

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In Christ – Neither Male nor Female

by Wayne Jackson

The notion has long been prevalent in sectarian circles (and is growing in the church of the Lord) that there are no sexual distinctions to be observed in Christ. The claim is made that Paul, in Galatians 3:28, abolished sexual differences so that men and women may function in identical capacities in public church activity—preaching, leading prayers, perhaps even serving as elders, etc. Such a theory is at variance with the New Testament for the following reasons.

First, it ignores the context of Galatians 3:28. In this portion of Scripture, the apostle is dealing with sexual equality in the matter of salvation; but, as Professor Colin Brown observes, Paul’s statement


is not a call to abolish all earthly relationships. Rather, it puts earthly relationships in the perspective of salvation history. As Paul goes on to say, “And if you are Christ’s then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise” (Galatians 3:29; cf. also Romans 10:2). All who are in Christ have the same salvation status before God; but they do not necessarily have the same function (1976, 570).

The fact that Paul later instructs servants to be obedient to their masters (Ephesians 6:5ff), in spite of the fact that Galatians 3:28 says there is “neither bond nor free” in Christ, is in itself a refutation of the theory under consideration.

Second, Paul himself was unaware that his teaching abolished sexual roles, for when he wrote 1 Timothy, which was penned later than Galatians, he limited the public service of women.

The New Testament makes it very clear that the men are to lead the acts of worship in assemblies of mixed sexes. In 1 Timothy 2:8, Paul instructs that “the men [andras – accusative plural of aner, thus males only pray in every place.” Obviously there is a special kind of praying under consideration; it is the leading of prayer that is in view!

Commenting upon this verse, a noted Greek scholar has well said, “The ministers of public prayer must be the men of the congregation, not the women” (Nicole 1956, 106).Bengel says that Paul is “speaking of public prayers, in which the heart of the people follows close after the language of him who prays” (1877, 252). Bloomfield notes that the expression “in every place” means “in every or any place [appropriate to public prayer]” (1837, 356).Ellicott says the allusion of the passage “is clearly to public prayer; cf. verse 1. ‘The men’ is thus in antithesis to ‘the women,’ verse 9 . . . . the conducting of the public prayers more particularly belonged to the men” (1978, 48). The foregoing observations could be multiplied many times over, and they stand in bold relief to the superficial reflections of the modern liberationists who would have us go beyond that which is written!

In 1 Timothy 2:12, Paul declares, “I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.” The negative conjunction oude (nor) here is explanatory in force, revealing that the apostle is forbidding any teaching or similar activity in which a woman exercises authority over a man (cf. Lenski 1937, 563; Danker et al. 2000, 734). And it is obvious from the preceding context that he considers leading a public prayer as an act of authority over those who are thus led!It is, therefore, a serious error to advocate the idea that women may lead the worship in groups of mixed sexes. And we might add that the principle not only applies to formal worship services, such as those of the Lord’s Day, but also those semi-private “devotionals” wherein both men and women are jointly worshiping. The New Testament does not authorize a woman to lead a man in worship under any circumstance.

It is becoming increasingly fashionable to assert that the New Testament instruction, which limits the sphere of women’s leadership activity, is grounded in cultural peculiarities of first-century society, and so is not applicable today. Some appear to be suggesting, in fact, that if one does not have a PhD in Hebrew, Greek, and Roman cultural anthropology, there’s not much of the New Testament that he can understand.

How then can one know whether a New Testament teaching is age-lasting, or whether it is merely culturally oriented, hence, temporal? Here are some guidelines.
1.If a particular context is specifically connected with primitive customs by a New Testament writer, then the teaching unquestionably may be viewed in that light.
2.If a certain context is ambiguous, that is, if one cannot decide whether it deals with abiding principle or temporal culture, he should, in humility, ask, “What is the safest course to pursue?”
3.If a context is grounded in historical truth that relates to man as man, hence, transcends the cultural, such should settle the matter. One is dealing with an age-lasting injunction.

In the four major contexts where Paul discusses male and female relationships (1 Corinthians 11:2-16; 14:33b-35; Ephesians 5:22-23; 1 Timothy 2:8-15), the principle of subjection and the application of that principle to specific situations (e.g., a woman not leading men in prayer), are based upon historical facts that go back to the very commencement of the human family. Thus it is not a culturally-oriented instruction.

When one begins to argue that the modern woman is not bound by 1 Timothy 2 (to limit her role in public activity), it is but a short step to denying that the wife is obligated to be in submission to her husband (Ephesians 5), for both contexts have the same historical heritage!

 
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Re: The Christian Comedian...Seriously?

November 14 2014, 2:46 PM 



It's not a laughing matter. It's serious to me.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/150389/message/1355881640/

 
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