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Notes: Dale Pauls 1 Timothy 2 Women Preachers with Ken Durham

November 3 2014 at 2:23 PM
Ken Sublett  (Login Ken.Sublett)
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Dale Pauls like most latter day theologians just makes it up as he goes along. He uses the usual hate words claiming that the universal history of protecting women from the gaze of males and protecting males from women who are always promoting music as a way to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter.

http://www.piney.com/Dale.Pauls.1.Timothy.2.Women.html

Jesus spoke parables to HIDE the truth from the clergy: Eve is in fact Zoe and even Lucifer in the historic FEMALE or goddess worship. Their new preacherette begins by refusing to use the masculine pronoun of God.

Lipscomb promotes IMAGINATION as a way to understand Scripture and MOST end-time theologians who cannot read the original text much less use witchcraft to decide what Paul REALLY meant to say and therefore blaspheming Christ as being unable to say "I permit women" to mediate between man and God without saying "I permit NOT women to teach OVER you."

Dale Paul and Ken Durham at Stamford depend on the women as authority to define authentia authority as "erotic and murderous" to give THEM the authority Jesus as Christ and Spirit just plain GOOFED by not including preachers with "Have Apostasy and will travel to all of the once Bible Colleges."

As we continued to work together toward answers that are beneficial and constructive (1 Cor. 10:23-24), it was always important to us that we remember and not forget the sense of loving brotherhood we enjoy with other Churches of Christ and the spiritual safe haven we have traditionally provided for their members transferred into our area. We sought always to preserve the sanctity of Christian consciences of our members, though we took care to distinguish between genuine concerns of conscience and COMFORT ZONES where some might have preferred that we stay. Also important to us was the recognition that society itself is still struggling to define what is appropriately male and female.

They always lie that just following the Text which has not been Paulited for these 2,000 years is just our TRADITION and we are afraid to deliberately VIOLATE the direct commands in the Post-Biblical age.

Throughout these years, it was clear that the elders were involved and supportive of this process, which at the very beginning meant primarily their insistence that the subject be fully understood and discussed contextually. I took the lead in the actual teaching; but throughout the process the elders and I, with our wives and various resource people within the congregation—Curt Marshall, Scott Johnson and Eddie Pleasant merit special mention—kept meeting and studying,

especially trying to explore the various implications that would follow from increasing the role of women in public leadership
(e.g. Were we suggesting that one day there might be female elders?
What connection might there be between this issue and the church's views on homosexuality? Note 5
And were we implying by gender equality that the natures of men and women are essentially identical?)
In all these ways, over the years our elders have distinguished themselves by their dedicated study of the subject and by their increasingly articulate support of gender inclusiveness.

Note 5: Of course we understand that the texts that touch on homosexuality require contextual understanding, and we would observe that such an understanding of those texts is not usually reflected in contemporary church thinking about homosexuality.

Fundamentally, however, we concluded that there is still much that is not known about either appropriate EXEGESIS of the relevant texts or the nature of sexual orientation—

that the information needed to make wise decisions on the church's views on homosexuality
lags perhaps some twenty or thirty years behind the information needed to understand that women's voices
must [WILL] finally be heard in the public gatherings of the church.

On the latter we believe the information is fully available today. On the former, we would urge Christians acting in the spirit of Christ to show compassion as we AWAIT more complete understandings. Still, the issues are not directly parallel or connected; the one pertains to birth, the other pertains to behavior.

PUBLIC TEACHERS INVOLVED

I led the first such exploratory study December 5, 1987 at the Bohannon home with the elders and Ken Durham, Curt Marshall and Eric Hancock present. By that time, I had studied the subject for six or seven years, at first only to defend the way things were. I had tried hard to make sense of the time-honored traditional view of things, looking only for more contemporary ways to restate old convictions, but in the end, there were just too many things that didn't fit and there were too many inconsistencies in our own practice. All this became clear in our earliest deliberations together, especially as we held up our understandings in the headlights of context and consistency. We quickly realized, for instance, that we could not keep picking and choosing—sometimes from the very same text—what we would understand in a letter-of-the-law way and what we wouldn't.

That first study was followed by another later that winter led by Ken Durham. On March 31, 1991, again at their request, I led the elders at that time—Bruce Evans, John Grady, Ken McAdams and J.G. Pinkerton—in a similar study.


IF they had understood the nature of immoral women or men who lust to PERFORM and be visible-audible.

I posted a review of the Paul-Durham effort at the time but I need to update it. Here is the MARK:

There's no God like Jehovah,
There's no God like Jehovah,
There's no God like Jehovah,
There's no God like Jehovah,
There's no God like Jehovah,
There's no God like Jehovah,
There's no God like Jehovah,
There's no God like Jehovah,
There's no God like Jehovah,
There's no God like Jehovah,
There's no God like Jehovah,
There's no God like Jehovah,
There's no God like Jehovah,
There's no God like Jehovah,
There's no God like Jehovah!


    
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Dale Pauls-Ken Durham 1 Timothy 2 post

November 3 2014, 8:11 PM 

Dale Pauls uses his own imagination to declare that Paul and the Spirit OF Christ were somehow locked in their own evil culture. Paul is speaking of the very nature of men and women who will always be the leaders into performance as a way to ENHANCE the finished work of Jesus Christ: and they fleece the widows also by fabricating their own dogma TO PREVENT the Word of God from being spoken. Jesus and Paul called them the viper race OF the World for which He does not even pray.

http://www.piney.com/Dale.Pauls.1.Timothy.2.Women.html

Much of the Bible is not to teach a NEUTER God but to refute the feminine or effeminate rejection of a FATHER figure in their lives. The DOVE descending was to prove that Jesus was the SON of a FATHER in opposition to being the DAUGHTER of a MOTHER.

If you put 1000 straight males on a desert island they would never wake each other on their REST day to listen to a lecture, sing, play, clap and dance. In Greek and most civil societies they would get hurt really bad if they dressed in a stunning outfit and debated three empty chairs.

 
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November 15 2014, 2:17 PM 

gal328.org Gender Justice in Church of Christ.
http://www.piney.com/Gal328.Gender.Justice.Church.of.Christ.html

The "food fight" over PERFORMING ROLES is based on failure to READ the Word or Logos which they deny is the Regulative Principle which OUTLAWS all performing roles. I pray that it is accidental but Jesus said that Doctors of the Law take away the key to knowledge. He said that God HIDES from the sophists: selling words, singing, playing instruments in a "holy" place. Jesus called the Sribes and Pharisees hypocrites: in Ezekiel 33 Christ names selling your words, singers or instrument players. Paul said that not many SOPHISTS hear the call and said that the cunning craftsmen or sophists in Ephesians 4 were LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE. John says they are sorcerers who HAD deceived the whole world and will be CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. No daughter of God would lust for and pay a fortune for the Simon gift of the spirit to "speak beyond the sacred pages."

Douglas A. Foster: Early leaders rejected the Protestant invisible church idea of an existing spiritual unity because they believed it justified continued division between denominations.

They see a group that is independent from other groups, so they assume it is merely another of the groups in the denominational system. It is true, of course, that the church of Christ is a separate people; but the church of Christ is not a division of the body of Christ. It is the body of Christ. Those who are uninformed may not understand this, and are in need of teaching and study. 16 Those holding this view refuse to acknowledge the true Christian identity of any but those in Churches of Christ. 17


THE CHURCH OF CHRIST (THE ROCK) PATTERN FROM THE WILDERNESS ONWARD:

From the Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness without change, the ekklesia consists of the godly people Christ QUARANTINED from the pagan and Jewish devotation to Babylonianism where the gods rested while the members worked and brought in their tithes: they owned no property and the god connection was made by a church STAFF of priests, prophets, exorcists. encomiasts or praise singers, instrument players, cooks and prostitutes.

God rested as an approved example and direct command to REST (not worship) one day out of six. They are led (Exodus 18) of godly, vocational elders over groups as small as ten families.

When they assembled then, with Jesus and the command of Paul they were called a SYANGOGUE or School of the Word.

That was EXCLUSIVE of vocal or instrumental rejoicing or rhetoric. Christ would affirm this in Isaiiah 58 by outlawing seeking their own pleasure or SPEAKING their own words. Paul and Peter defined this by commanding that the elders as the Pastor-teachers eject the cunning craftsmen or sophists: sermonizing for hire, singers and instrument players.
This was INCLUSIVE of Rest, Reading and Rehearsing the Word (only). This never changed in the synagogue, was exampled by Jesus, practiced and commanded by Paul and the historic CHURCH OF CHRIST under that name.

THE BIBLE USES THE CIVIL EKKLESIA SO THAT THE LAITY TO WHOM GOD COVENANTS EXCLUSIVE OF PRIESTS OR LEVITES can remove the LADED BURDENS and burden laders.

Universal Kingdom within us: The ekklesia consists of the "called out." In Greece they were the citizens or electorate. I am a registered voter and I have a card which identifies me. I went to the poles, identified myself, voted and left. I will not hear from any official for a whole year. They have no STAFF to set up programs for me and try to pick my pocket.

From the Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness without change, the ekklesia consists of the godly people Christ QUARANTINED from the pagan and Jewish devotation to Babylonianism where the gods rested while the members worked and brought in their tithes: they owned no property and the god connection was made by a church STAFF of priests, prophets, exorcists. encomiasts or praise singers, instrument players, cooks and prostitutes. That defines the religious teknokrats beyond TEACHING that which is WRITTEN for our LEARNING in Revelation 18 as SORCERERS: they will be CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.
The Greek ELECTORS was the pattern used in the Bible: Paul knew that in troas he had to wait until the next first day of the week before the STUDENTS OF THE WORD would show up. Paul was then free so that the "whole province" heard the gospel.

An ekklesia assembles itself ONCE A WEEK by command, example and inference: When they Assemble it is called a SYNAGOGUE by Paul. They fellowship and hear the WORD preached by being READ for comfort and doctrine. The Lord Supper preaches the death of Jesus which SILENCES all of the DISCIPLES none of whom have ROLES.

CITIZENRY OR ELECTORS PATTERN: You cannot synagogue in Nashville and have UNIONISM with a synagogue in Murfreesboro--should there be one.

When the ekklesia dismisses from synagogue they go home with the weekly body of the WORD and they "speak it to themselves all week." Teachers were always on hand around synsgogues but all "priestly" teachers had a real job: maybe as a tentmaker (tents, shoes, bags)
A Church of Christ or Ekklesia includes all who have been "washed with water into the Word or into the School of Christ." Jesus died to protect us from laded burdens or burden laders. We go about our business and are not called out several days a week.

The Direct command, Christ approved examples, examples of Paul and church history has the citizens of the ekklesia called into ASSEMBLY Once a week. The only purpose driven synagogue is to Rest, Read and Rehearse the Word of God--only. A synagogue is a GATHERING and you cannot have a world-wide GATHERING. If you gather you are a synagogue and it has NO GREATER membership. Whey you DISmiss yourself you are A gathering and therefore you are not a SYNAGOGUE.

A Synagogue's preacher is the elder who calls the assembly and prayers: the Shema which denies the trinity in all paganism. Like Jesus, hestands up to READ a portion primarily of the PROPHETS which defined Christ's quarantined Little Flock. Then, by APPROVED PATTERN he sits down and explains anything in THAT TEXT and admonished everyone to memorize and take the passage with them to "speak to themselves" all week.

A synagogue has a poor box in the back for the POOR. They don't pass the plate, sermonize, sing songs other than reciting the Teaching Psalms for Teaching: a disciple is a student: a student doesn't get married to the School of Christ and he doesn't let the plowing oxen move in and take control of the family.

A Citizen of the Ekklesia is in UNITY with every mortal who wants to be friendly. He does not give the Baptist citizen-brother a wage. He does not tell everyone that he agrees with his making a girl out of himself as a worship leader. Nor does he approve of his role as PARASITE or instrument player.

When A goes to assembly or SYNAGOGUE He is in THE SYNAGOGUE ordained by Christ in the wilderness onward. If B goes to an assembly down the street which teaches that which is written for our learning then B is in SYNAGOGUE. A cannot "fellership" B at the same time he is teaching the Olden Bible Text in synagogue A. Unity is a fabrication of clergy which disqualifies your assembly from being a Synagogue of Christ.

If C thinks that church is worship as that IMPURE Threskia and "makes the lambs dumb" with music and has a Pulpit Person speak out of his/her head then C is not attending SYNAGOGUE but "Theater for holy entertainment" as the Purpose Driven Cult sponsors.

 
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