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The Difference Between Praise Songs and Hymns (Kaye Dacus)

January 15 2015 at 12:44 AM
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The Difference Between Praise Songs and Hymns
Sunday, September 14, 2008

I'm a traditionalist when it comes to worship. I prefer hymns, sung from an actual hymnal, to "praise choruses" that (a) no one knows and (b) don't mean anything anyway. Here's a story that was shared with me that illustrates my point:

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An old farmer went to the city one weekend and attended the big city church. He came home and his wife asked him how it was. "Well," said the farmer, "it was good. They did something different, however. They sang praise choruses instead of hymns."

"Praise choruses?" said his wife. "What are those?"

"Oh, they're OK. They are sort of like hymns, only different," said the farmer.

"Well, what's the difference?" asked his wife.

The farmer said, "Well, it's like this – If I were to say to you "Martha, the cows are in the corn"' – well, that would be a hymn. If on the other hand, I were to say to you:

Martha, Martha, Martha,
Oh Martha, MARTHA, MARTHA,
the cows, the big cows, the brown cows, the black cows
the white cows, the black and white cows,
the COWS, COWS, COWS
are in the corn,
are in the corn, are in the corn, are in the corn,
the CORN, CORN, CORN.

Then, if I were to repeat the whole thing two or three times, well, that would be a praise chorus."

The next weekend, his nephew, a young, new Christian from the city came to visit and attended the local church of the small town. He went home and his wife asked him how it was. "Well," said the young man, "it was good. They did something different however. They sang hymns instead of regular songs."

"Hymns?" asked his wife. "What are those?"

"Oh, they're OK. They are sort of like regular songs, only different," said the young man.

"Well, what's the difference?"

The young man said, "Well, it's like this – If I were to say to you 'Martha, the cows are in the corn' – well, that would be a regular song. If on the other hand, I were to say to you:

'Oh Martha, dear Martha, hear thou my cry
Inclinest thine ear to the words of my mouth
Turn thou thy whole wondrous ear by and by
To the righteous, inimitable, glorious truth.

'For the way of the animals who can explain
There in their heads is no shadow of sense
Hearkenest they in God's sun or His rain
Unless from the mild, tempting corn they are fenced.

'Yea those cows in glad bovine, rebellious delight
Have broke free their shackles, their warm pens eschewed
Then goaded by minions of darkness and night
They all my mild Chilliwack sweet corn have chewed.

'So look to the bright shining day by and by
Where all foul corruptions of earth are reborn
Where no vicious animals make my soul cry
And I no longer see those foul cows in the corn.'

Then if I were to do only verses one, three and four and do a key change on the last verse, well that would be a hymn.

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Re: The Difference Between Praise Songs and Hymns (Kaye Dacus)

January 15 2015, 9:36 AM 


Donnie, I agree with you, the old hymns are my preference also. I can handle an occasional praise song but I will not stand for 20 minutes anymore while the praise songs are performed. Bass guitar, drums, and strobe lights make for a quick exit. We still have a choice of service types but I'm not sure how long that will last. JMHO.

 
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Re: The Difference Between Praise Songs and Hymns (Kaye Dacus)

January 16 2015, 2:31 AM 

Justly, I would like to give credit to the source: Kaye Dacus. I just had to publish the article.

There's too much emphasis on "self" in many "praise" songs -- I ... me ... mine ... my ... myself. And certain expressions: "Darling Jesus, Darling Jesus, Oh my darling Jesus," etc.





 
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Re: The Difference Between Praise Songs and Hymns (Kaye Dacus)

January 15 2015, 11:16 AM 

Good theology!

My girls kept nagging me to get hearing aids so I didn't have to laugh at the dinner table jokes I couldn't hear.

So, as part of the Purpose Driven Cult infiltrate and divert they bought Howard's (aka Vineyard) new style praise book.

I spent 3500 for two such ear plugs so that when they started teaching heresy and spreading decibel poisoning I found out that I could plug my hearing aids in and then turn them off. Best investment I ever made. However, I finally had to retreat to the couch in the foyer along with several others.

That's why the meaning of wrath is orgy so that God turns them into buffoons to be laughed at.

 
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Hope Ken is Still Laughing

January 15 2015, 5:53 PM 

'Alas and did my saviour bleed and did my sov'reign die
Would he devote that sacred head for such a worm as I

At the cross at the cross where I first saw the light
And the burden of my heart rolled away
It was there by faith I received my sight
And now I am happy all the day'

Donnie Cruz calls his boss tomorrow morning and tells his boss
"Alas Boss, I am unable to make it today because I have the flu. I will be also unable to work overtime any additional Sundays, because I will be worshiping my Sov'reign leader. I do so because that is the least I can do since he devoted his sacred head for me.

Donnie Cruz's boss answers "do whaaaaaaaaaaatttttt?"

It all comes out in the wash, don't it?

Looking forward to an in-depth analysis of why one is better than the other.

Should be interesting.

Let me see......should we start with the fact that Donnie doesn't work on Sundays anyhow? Well if Martha, Martha, Martha can do it, then certainly Donnie fictitiously can also.

 
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Re: Hope Ken is Still Laughing

January 15 2015, 7:09 PM 

Churches gonna do what churches gonna do because they are not synagogues where the command is to SPEAK which is the opposite of ODE.

'Alas and did my saviour bleed and did my sov'reign die
Would he devote that sacred head for such a worm as I

At the cross at the cross where I first saw the light
And the burden of my heart rolled away
It was there by faith I received my sight
And now I am happy all the day'

I thought that the gospel OF the Kingdom was the power unto salvation?

Well-uh! I am a soul and not a WORM: don't believe what the stepford wimmin at church post.

Second, the cross was a STAKE or phallic symbol. I don't worship electric chairs.

Thirdly, you don't get your SIGHT or A holy spirit by FAITH.

God does not live houses nor is He worshiped by the WORKS of human hands: we disciples would attend Schools of Christ iffen we could find one.



    
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'For such a worm as I'

January 16 2015, 2:05 AM 

We find "I am a worm" in Psalm 22:

[1] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
[2] O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
[3] But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
[4] Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
[5] They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
[6] But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.


We see a parallel in Matt. 27:46, in Mark 15:34 -- "... that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

What do Trinity Creed followers have to say about Jesus (as God) saying, "My God, my God"? Oops, we're not really discussing the Trinity doctrine.

OK, then, Dave, we need someone to research the history of "Alas! and Did My Savior Bleed" -- what "for such a worm as I" really meant to the "hymn" writer.

Some hymnals have it substituted as: "for sinners such as I."

Now that reminds me of "Holy, Holy, Holy!"

The original words were: "God in three Persons, blessed Trinity!"

But in the older hymnals used in churches of Christ, the words were/are: "God overall, and blest eternally" -- in objection to the Trinity Creed.

 
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Re: 'For such a worm as I'

January 16 2015, 12:40 PM 

"This God is never called a person. The word person was never applied to God in the Middle ages. The reason for this is that the three members of the trinity were called personae (faces or countenances): The Father is persona, the Son is persona, and the Spirit is persona. Persona here means a special characteristic of the divine ground, expressing itself in an independent hypostasis. Thus, we can say that it was the nineteenth century which made God into a person, with the result that the greatness of the classical idea of God was destroyed by this way of speaking... but to speak of God as a person would have been heretical for the Middle Ages; it would have been to them a Unitarian heresy, because it would have conflicted with the statement that God has three personae, three expressions of his being. (Tillich, Paul, History of Christian Thought, p. 190)

In all of the original documents which agrees with the statement of Jesus:

The Father thinks or conceives
The Father breathes (spirit: not a people other than Apollyon)
The Son articulates the Words of God: double-edged swords are the lips.

Most if not all of the end-time tribulation comes from people who claim that they have "a" spirit person in them: they have a new PARADIGM which they do not grasp means PATTERN to be followed.

http://www.piney.com/FathArnoHeresIV.html

Arnobius Book IV.12. But let them be true, as you maintain, yet will you have us also believe that Mellonia, for example, introduces herself into the entrails, or Limentinus, and that they set themselves to make known what you seek to learn? Did you ever see their face their deportment, their countenance? or can even these be seen in lungs or livers?

May it not happen, may it not come to pass, although you craftily conceal it, that the one should take the other's place, deluding, mocking, deceiving, and presenting the appearance of the deity invoked?

If the magi, who are so much akin to soothsayers, relate that, in their incantations, pretended gods steal in frequently instead of those invoked; that some of these, moreover, are spirits of grosser substance, who pretend that they are gods, and delude the ignorant by their lies and deceit,- why should we not similarly believe that here, too, others substitute themselves for those who are not, that they may both strengthen your superstitious beliefs, and rejoice that victims are slain in sacrifice to them under names not their own?


God sends LYING SPIRITS!



 
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Re: 'For such a worm as I'

January 19 2015, 1:16 PM 

You can substitute the worm with anything you deem suitable, and Ken can tear the song down too, but the point made was sufficient. You degrade the new songs as sangy, clangy and happy, clappy, but you don't want anyone tearing down your sacred hymns of old. Ken, if you can be a worm then you certainly can be a wretch (Amazing Grace)

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I still hold out hope for you gents.

 
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Re: 'For such a worm as I'

January 19 2015, 2:04 PM 

Dave,

All I was pointing out was that "such a worm as I" is in the Scriptures. "But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people" (Ps. 22:6).

That's a better admission and confession than a reminder or an FYI to God with "I love you, my darling Jesus." As if singing "praise songs" is one's way to heaven.

Oh, I think there are some Scripture-based contemporary "Christian" songs that will be included in the "hymn books" in time by qualified editors and publishers.

 
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Re: 'For such a worm as I'

January 19 2015, 3:01 PM 

Donnie, you mentioned "As if singing "praise songs" is one's way to heaven."

This is positive proof that you are a bit biased. If you were not so biased, you would have said more truthfully 'as if singing any song, praise or an old hymn is one's way to heaven.'

 
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Re: 'For such a worm as I'

January 19 2015, 3:42 PM 

Dave,

You have a point about ... any song. But it is relative to the message of the song. There is a "praise" song by Charley LeBlanc: "Clap Your Hands" [I imagine it's for adults. happy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gif] There should be a good argument against that as a means to make it to heaven. And contrast that with: "I need Thee every hour, most gracious Lord..." and what that means to the Christian.

There's another "praise" song that expresses: "And I can't believe that He selected me." [I think you've heard and sung "Boundless Love." What do you think of the doctrine of predestination?]


 
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January 19 2015, 4:50 PM 

I looked up WRETCH: "the result of being caught in the middle of the row when the boys and girls begin their praise sanging-uh. Praise singing is the WORLD'S OLDEST PROFESSION. happy.gif

http://www.piney.com/MuEncomiast.html

From be origin of the "worship teams" or praise teams--which is defacto blasphemy the PURPOSE was "We can lead you into the presence of God."

Or: "We form a platform upon which the Spirit lands" (as in Babylon."

Or: "our praise teams create a "sexual-like climax with the spirit" just before the last unlawful act of "giving of means." Vineyard or Wineskins is the Stepford Wives ooozing out of Fuller.

Moses in the EVE story repudiates what Christ called the "singing and harp playing prostitute." In Revelation 17 John warned about the rise of the Babylon Mother of Harlots: she uses lusted after fruits as speakers, singers, instrument players and "grinders" producing a piping sound as the mark of the village grinder-prostitute. As Christ prophesied in Isaiah 30 they will be or are CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. ACU invites female preachers to CALL DOWN GOD'S HOLY FIRE and the ZOE group does the same thing. Zoe is Zoe or Lucifer.

MESOPOTAMIAN CULT In the cultic practices, humans fulfilled their destiny: to take care of the gods' material needs. They therefore provided the gods with houses (the temples) that were richly supplied with lands, which people cultivated for them. In the temple the god was present in--but not bounded by--a statue made of precious wood overlaid with gold. For this statue the temple kitchen staff prepared daily meals from produce grown or raised on the temple's fields, in its orchards, in its sheepfolds, cattle pens, and game preserves, brought in by its fishermen, or delivered by farmers owing it as a temple tax. The statue was also clad in costly raiment, bathed, and escorted to bed in the bedchamber of the god, often on top of the temple tower, or ziggurat.

To see to all of this the god had priests trained as cooks, bakers, waiters, and bathers, or as encomiasts (singers of praise) and musicians

to make the god's meals festive, or as elegists to soothe him in times of stress and grief. Diversions from the daily routine were the great monthly festivals and also a number of special occasions.


For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: Isaiah 14:13

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isaiah 14:14

At that time Tyre will be forgotten for seventy years, the span of a king's life. But at the end of these seventy years, it will happen to Tyre as in the song of the prostitute: Is.23:15

Take up a harp, walk through the city, O prostitute forgotten; play the harp well, sing many a song, so that you will be remembered." Is.23:16

At the end of seventy years, the LORD will deal with Tyre. She will return to her hire as a prostitute and will ply her trade with all the kingdoms on the face of the earth. Is.23:17




 
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Re: 'For such a worm as I'

January 20 2015, 4:33 PM 

Clap your hands all ye people
Shout to God, with the voice of triumph
Clap your hands all ye people
Sing to God unto the Lord

Singing Hallelujah, Hallelujah (repeat)
Singing Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Singing Hallelujah, Hallelujah

Jesus Christ is the Lord of all
Lord of all the earth

Donnie, your bias way prevails.

Repeating hallelujahs to God, over and over, as you show disdain for, is bad? Clapping to God is bad because you like the laid back approach? Good for you. When you preach your laid back approach as Gospel, then YOU have a problem. Do you not see your error here....if nothing but for preference? You have no Scriptural basis for Truth here....for certainly respect and holiness can be through clapping as well as sitting there like a log. That isn't denominational or pentecostal. This is just your traditional preference speaking. Nothing more.
Ken, since you don't have anything positive to add anymore, I certainly will not give any sort of rebuttal.

 
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Re: The Difference Between Praise Songs and Hymns (Kaye Dacus)

January 20 2015, 9:04 PM 

Erasmus who despised the clergy noted that those "pinching the widow's pennies" couldn't resist ripping a word or phrase out of God's Word by its roots. Psalm 47 like a great number of psalms are Warrior's Boast songs: remember that David was a military tyrant and boasted of what he and God could do. Psalm 47 is no different but you cannot hear the whole chapter in context in any "worship institution" making war against the "School of Christ" which in the context of this chapter would be the synagogue or Church where the PROOF TEXT is repudiated.

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The end time progressives or banditos BOAST about making WAR. The goal is to dissociate the minds of the conservatives so they can rebuild on the ashes where Shelly quoted "if you love the church, burn it down."

Jewish Encyclopedia on Korah

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/9465-korah

In Rabbinical Literature:
The name "Korah" () is explained by the Rabbis as meaning "baldness." It was given to Korah on account of the gap or blank which he made in Israel by his revolt (Sanh. 109b). Korah is represented as the possessor of extraordinary wealth, he having discovered one of the treasures which Joseph had hidden in Egypt. The keys of Korah's treasuries alone formed a load for three hundred mules (Pes. 119a; Sanh. 110a). He and Haman were the two richest men in the world, and both perished on account of their rapacity, and because their riches were not the gift of Heaven (Num. R. xxii. 7; comp. Ex. R. li. 1). On the other hand, Korah is represented as a wise man, chief of his family and as one of the Kohathites who carried the Ark of the Covenant on their shoulders (Tan., ed. Buber, Ḳoraḥ, Supplement, 5; Num. R. xviii. 2).




    
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