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The Trinity as three: Arius -Thalia

August 18 2015 at 6:55 PM
Ken Sublett  (Login Ken.Sublett)
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For some strange reason the thread Every Wonder Why has become the place to hide all of the facts proving that there is ONE GOD THE FATHER and ONE LORD AND CHRIST THE MAN.

The Holy Book of the Great Invisible Spirit: The Gospels of the Egyptians repeated at Mount Sinai:

http://www.piney.com/EgyGospEgypt.html

We have noted over the ages that ALL pagans had a trinity and a trinity is simply nonsense unless you have a father, a mother (spirit) and a begotten son.

We have noted that while the DISCORDERS claim there is nothing against using musical machines in what they call WORSHIP SERVICES, the Israelites fell back into Egyptian-Trinitarian-Instrumental worship of PLAY. Romans 1 as well as all of the Scriptures define PLAY as playing instruments to make a noise and playing with one another: that is the little epic performance between the PLAY LEADER and the audience in harmony or moving or gyrating their bodies in "harmony" which is moving together. That is why the music word INCLUDES dance or some other thing like Goose-Clapping. The Fuller lady and her daughters boast that music produces a sexual-like climax with the spirit.

Translated by Alexander Bohlig and Frederik Wisse
The holy book of the Egyptians about the great invisible Spirit, the Father whose name cannot be uttered, he who came forth from the heights of the perfection, the light of the light of the aeons of light, the light of the silence of the providence (and) the Father of the silence, the light of the word and the truth, the light of the incorruptions, the infinite light, the radiance from the aeons of light of the unrevealable, unmarked, ageless, unproclaimable Father, the aeon of the aeons, Autogenes, self-begotten, self-producing, alien, the really true aeon.

Three powers came forth from him; they are the Father, the Mother, (and) the Son, from the living silence, what came forth from the incorruptible Father. These came forth from the silence of the unknown Father.

And from that place, Domedon Doxomedon came forth, the aeon of the aeons and the light of each one of their powers. And thus the Son came forth fourth; the Mother fifth; the Father sixth. He was [...] but unheralded; it is he who is unmarked among all the powers, the glories, and the incorruptions.

From that place, the three powers came forth, the three ogdoads that the Father brings forth in silence with his providence, from his bosom, i.e., the Father, the Mother, (and) the Son.

The (FIRST) ogdoad, because of which the thrice-male child came forth,
which is the thought, and the word, and the incorruption,
and the eternal life, the will, the mind, and the foreknowledge, the androgynous Father.

The SECOND ogdoad-power, the Mother, the virginal Barbelon, epititioch [...]ai, memeneaimen[...], who presides over the heaven, karb[...], the uninterpretable power, the ineffable Mother. She originated from herself [...]; she came forth; she agreed with the Father of the silent silence.

There is also a strong vitalistic formulation of these principles in Gnostic doctrines, especially in the Ophite and Barbelo-Gnostic (worshipping Barbelo as the Great Mother of life) varieties, which identify the pneuma and the light with the vital substance. Britannica Members

The THIRD ogdoad-power, the Son of the silent silence, and the crown of the silent silence, and the glory of the Father, and the virtue of the Mother, he brings forth from the bosom the seven powers of the great light of the seven voices. And the word is their completion.

These are the three powers, the three ogdoads that the Father, through his providence, brought forth from his bosom. He brought them forth at that place.

Domedon Doxomedon came forth, the aeon of the aeons, and the throne which is in him, and the powers which surround him, the glories and the incorruptions. The Father of the great light who came forth from the silence, he is the great Doxomedon-aeon, in which the thrice- male child rests.

And the throne of his glory was established in it, this one on which his unrevealable name is inscribed, on the tablet [...] one is the word, the Father of the light of everything, he who came forth from the silence, while he rests in the silence, he whose name is in an invisible symbol. A hidden, invisible mystery came forth:

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE oooooooooooooooooooooo uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


This is the Ephesian Letters repeated 7 times. A Laded Burden is repeating any song over and over or even returning to repeat the same songs is idolatry: "Saying the Hallel daily is idolatry."

The NEO-trinity invented by H. Leo Boles of Lipscomb and the Gospel Advocate were the first to define three, separated persons in the people sense first preached at Freed Hardeman in 1938 and first published in 1942. If you follow the TRINITY you are locked into the feminist MOTHER worship. That is why a Voice "up there" identified Jesus as the SON of a FATHER in contrast to the DAUGHTER of a MOTHER.

Sophia was the mediator of the Jews: the Greeks identified SOPHIA worship as musical and perverted.

They identified the LOGOS as masculine and WORD-CENTERED.


    
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Egyptian-Eve-Venom-Vires-TrinityA

August 19 2015, 1:04 PM 

From the wilderness onward Christ's command was to PREACH the Word by READING the Word. That is the only pattern in the New Testament: That is what Paul Told Timothy. It took about 4 centuries before the Syriac began imposing singing hymns (c. ad 373) and preachers were paid as servants of the state after Constantine.

If you hold READING ASSEMBLIES or synagogue which excludes self-composed material then everyone with be disciples of "that which is written for our learning" and there will be no instrumental or trinitarian sectarianism. Note that the heavens and earth were bot "gods and goddesses" and the rise of taking people captive in darknwss (ignorance) is close to the c.BC.4000. That is why the invasion of the body snatchers hit most Bible teaching groups close to the ad 2000 period. The BEAST is "a new style of music or Satyric drama." The MARK is singing songs always purpose driven as sorcery or witchcraft.

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Universal National Trinities: Jesus is image of the ANTITHESIS

August 20 2015, 9:25 PM 

I have a small booklet of a LU professor on the trinity: He said that because all nations had various triads it was logical that Christians must have a trinity.

1. Fact: ALL nations worshipped emerging trinities of family of Gods.
2. Jesus said that all of the authority of the father, spirit and son was vested in him and manifested as a singular being.
3. When Jesus said that He was the SON Philip wanted to SEE the "father." Jesus made it clear that He as a singular MAN was the image of the father and His Spirit or breath.

The Almighty is the only TRUE Jah AND the only TRUE El. He does not identify Himself as Yahweh which would be confusing but the Yahweh or God in connection with people or places. When people say they worship God with performance music and self-centered rhetoric you MUST ask WHICH God. Rick Atchley speaking for the band of brothers Purpose Driven to RESTRUCTURE all churches of Christ into INSTRUMENTAL sectarians, said that a spirit spoke to him a decade after the JUBILEE bonded with the NACC:

Rich Atchley, the preacher of the Richland Hills Church of Christ in Dallas, Texas, made this completely unscriptural claim:

"Right there at that spot about 1994 the Holy Spirit SAID to me in the middle of a sermon,

'that's what you and all preachers like you are doing, who haven't for years believed that the worship of God with instruments was wrong.

But you continue by your silence to let people think it's wrong. But you allow the people to be disrupted, and you do so under the plea, 'Well, we're just maintaining peace.' But that's not peace; that's cowardice.

I knew then the day would come I'd have to teach this lesson.


He would never grasp that Christ the Rock outlawed "retoric or vocal or instrumental rejoicing." This is the TRIUMPH OVER WORD marking any hypocritic performance as "silencing the voice of the victim." Religious music is well marked as sacred violence. So Rick and the claque say that NOT using instruments DISRUPTS the worship. Rick began with a claimed 6400 and disrupted the literate owners down to 3500 before climbing back up in THREE congregations.

But, we knew all along and reviewed Rick that he was following the Purpose Driven Plan handled by the president of the NACC. You spend about a decade denouncing "those" churches of Christ as legalistic, sectarian, hypocrites and all of the RACA words. Based on the Purpose Driven Jubilee they did an end run around the older people. Rick said we took your youth to hear christian bands (an oxymoron and blasphemy. WE TAUGHT OUR YOUTH TO LEAVE OUR MOVEMENT. But no one can think about "worship music" without lying TO God and ABOUT God.

That SPIRIT must have been RETARDED?? He is correct: A spirit MUST have bumped up his courage which truth never needs.

Spiritus 3. Breathed air, a breath: “quojus tu legiones difflavisti spiritu,”
II. A. (Class.) A haughty spirit, haughtiness, pride, arrogance; also, spirit, high spirit, energy, courage
spiritum Phoebus [Apollon] mihi, Phoebus artem Carminis [singing and playing] dedit, poetic spirit or inspiration


The TRINITY and MUSIC are known to be FEMINIST THEOLOGY: they boast about women "using small acts of treachery to defeat the patriarchal god."

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The Dove

August 21 2015, 10:47 PM 

In the trinity worshipped at Mount Sinai Apis the golden calf or calveS represents Osiris, Isis and Horus. Osiris had been placed in a coffin (ark) and shipped out but one part was missing. Isis collected all but the penis: she is pictured as a dove hovering over Osiris with a wood penis.

The JESUS ONLY SECT has no reason to grasp that the PAGAN THESIS of the SON is refuted by Jesus. Horus, the son of a virgin birth defines the praise word HALAL: taunt songs were always a way to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter or rape" and to disqualify the HEIR. Jesus limited teaching and authority only to what He had commanded to be taught and to the authority of a suffering servant. Domination in the Purpose Driven Cult marks the world, kosmos or the ecumenical. Rhetoric can silence all of the male members.

Horus was the posthumous son and heir of the god Osiris, the primordial king and giver of life. He was invited by his uncle, Seth, to spend a day. Seth’s real motive was not to show him hospitality but to disqualify him from inheriting his father’s royal power. To this end, while Horus slept Seth committed an act of sodomy upon him. Since sodomy was inflicted as a punishment on a defeated enemy and was a symbol of domination, Seth could then claim that he had conquered Horus and demand the kingship in his place. Historically, the rape of males was more widely recognized in ancient times. Several of the legends in Greek mythology involved abductions and sexual assaults of males by other males or gods. The rape of a defeated male enemy was considered the special right of the victorious soldier in some societies and was a signal of the totality of the defeat. There was a widespread belief that a male who was sexually penetrated, even if it was by forced sexual assault, thus "lost his manhood," and could no longer be a warrior or ruler. Gang rape of a male was considered an ultimate form of punishment and, as such, was known to the Romans as punishment for adultery and the Persians and Iranians as punishment for violation of the sanctity of the harem (Donaldson, 1990). Donaldson, Donald. (1990). "Rape of Males," in Dynes, Wayne, ed. Encyclopedia of Homosexuality. New York: Garland Publications.

Remember that Eve said that she had gotten a man from god." This all points to the original mother whose symbol was a DOVE. Semiramis sits on the throne seat with her dove:

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However, she IS the dove or holy spirit who in turn was the MOTHER of a DAUGHTER. This is refuted by a VOICE owning Jesus as the Son of a Father

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Revelation 17 shows that the END TIME SORCERERS were the "lusted after fruits" (Amos 8). They serve as performance preachers, singers, instrument players, actors or dancers (clappers-gyrators). This is truly embarassing to churches which have as boasted been "infiltrated and diverted." But, hey, that is Christ's prophecy.

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Itch...Itch...

August 22 2015, 8:30 AM 




Preach the Word
…2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.…


2 Timothy 4

 
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Re: The Trinity as Always-Pagan: Separate father, mother (spirit) and son

August 22 2015, 11:50 AM 

Amen, brother, you are right on target.

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Trinity Catholic Encyclopedia

August 22 2015, 12:54 PM 

As the spirit-mother-dove the Catholics define Mary as the Mediatrix whereas Scripture says that:

There is ONE GOD THE FATHER
And ONE mediator between God and Man
The MAN Christ Jesus.

The Holy Spirit is pictured as a DOVE and not similar to father and son:

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This takes EVE or EVAH worshipped by the pagans as the mother of gods and man: Evah means ABOMINATION and she is Vires, Venom, Venus or Lucifer. Here image is almost identical to the Egyptian mother and child.

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However, no historic scholar ever spoke of a triad god consisting of three persons or people. H. Leo Boles at Lipscomb invented that in 1938 at FHU and published in 1942.

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More about how to SCRATCH ears and whatever.

August 22 2015, 8:05 PM 

Why would those OF faith or OF truth attending a body-scratching IMPURE religion or Threskia?, Don't look for those belonging to the SECT that is called the Way or Road or PATTERN. It is narrow, exclusive and fools will never accidenticaly stumble onto the road of holiness, PAY for someone to exhalt himself and tell you about HIS WAY? The truth is that those who have to "Pay to Play" are marked by Christ in Isaiah 55 who commanded the CHILDREN not to pay for the free water of the Word. Maybe the progressive try to save themselves by GRACE by NOT selling you THE WORD or the Regulative Principle which he will lie about and be marked as ANTI-CHRIST who gave us the LOGOS to mark any introduction, jokes, personal experiences, personal opinions as THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.

MOST are marked for avoidance by Christ in Isaiah 58 who commanded that you NOT give up your REST (relax at school) to those who SCRATCH you for your own pleasure as he repudiates Christ by SPEAKING HIS OWN WORDS. Maybe elders who are NOT apt hire "guns for hire" because APT elders are commanded to teach that which is written and EJECT those who oppose the Word, Logos or regulative principle.

You WILL be lied to that you OWE a tax which children of the King do not pay or "lay by in store" which Paul said was NOT a command. If urged or encouraged even for the STARVING Paul calls that EXTORTION. It is important that Disciples know that nothing Christian is for sale and nothing for sale is Christian. If you don't teach what Jesus commanded to be taught and observed you simply are NOT a Christian by Scriptural proof.

Maybe the trumpet voice of Jesus will sound in the morning while those OF THE WORLD are engaged in a trumpet quartet.

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This is ON SUBJECT because the first and last Babylon Mother of Harlots [Babylon dove of the trinity) will be ministered to by lusted after fruits: they are craftsmen (parasites), singers and instrument players. When you hear that you will know that the Cunning Craftsmen as well as the LAMPS or seven Spirits of Divine knowledge (Isa 11:1-4) are MARKED as SORCERERS (musicians are locusts) and are IDENTIFIED as being CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. You will notice that no one wants or needs to refute the Biblical Text.

 
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Catholic Karen Armstrong: trinity

September 11 2015, 4:03 PM 

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Myths have Consumed Ken

September 11 2015, 5:39 PM 


1 Timothy 4:7 English Standard Version (ESV)

7 Have nothing to do with irreverent, silly myths. Rather train yourself for godliness;


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Re: Myths have Consumed Ken

September 11 2015, 5:56 PM 

Rancor,

Did you get a chance to review the chart above where it listed the various Triads throughout history? There are other factors to consider, besides the scriptural references provided above, in the study of the Trinity dogma. For now, here are the Triads in history:


Triad of Babylon
Triad of Canaanite's
Triad of Hittite
Triad of [Backslidden] Israel
Triad of Egypt
Triad of Greece
Triad of India
Triad of Rome
Triad or Trinity of Roman Catholicism
--- Father, Son, Spirit
--- Father, Son, Mother (Mary)




 
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Re: Myths have Consumed Ken

September 11 2015, 6:23 PM 

Since you have researched the various triads in history, why don't you also research the accounts of virgin births of gods and goddesses throughout history, since they parallel the virgin birth of Jesus?


 
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Re: Myths have Consumed Ken

September 11 2015, 6:36 PM 

That would make a good topic for discussion. Would you initiate a thread for that with a premise?

 
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Re: Myths have Consumed Ken

September 11 2015, 9:16 PM 

Since you are far more interested in pagan mythology than I am, I'll let you have the honors. happy.gif

 
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Bill's Idea: Accounts of Virgin Births of Gods and Goddesses

September 11 2015, 11:28 PM 

The study of "pagan mythology" on its own (outside of the Bible) belongs in some of the educational institutions around, not ConcernedMembers.

It's very easy for ardent supporters and followers of the pagan-originated, Catholic-invented, Protestant-propagated Trinity dogma to dismiss historical evidences of the various "triads."

I really think it would benefit anyone interested and with an open mind to study such historical evidences of polytheism in paganism in contrast to what the Scripture teaches about the only one true God the Father.

1. I do not question the virgin birth of Jesus.
2. The "virgin births of gods and goddesses" is not my idea: it's yours (Bill's).
3. I do not see a parallel -- you do.
4. Then, tell us what you have researched and why. Otherwise, this particular conversation ends here.

 
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Virgin Births of Gods and Goddesses

September 12 2015, 1:37 AM 

If you're that much of a student of pagan mythology, then you cannot deny the accounts of virgin births of various pagan deities, unless you're deliberately trying to be naive and obtuse. I'm certainly no mythology student, but with just casual reading over the years, I at least am aware of myths about deities born of virgins. Are you really not familiar with that? No Christian denies the virgin birth of Jesus, so a parallel in mythology shouldn't shake our faith. But we can't stick our heads in the sand and deny the fact that a parallel exists in pagan mythology, just as a parallel exists between the Trinity and the god-triads. If you blindly reject the Trinity because of that parallel, then I guess you'll just deny the parallel between Jesus' virgin birth and that of some pagan deities. So if you're an aficionado of mythology, you can either research virgin births further, or you can play the ostrich and end the conversation here if such research would shake your faith. happy.gif

 
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Re: Myths ... [and Biblical References to Idols]

September 11 2015, 6:42 PM 

It might be of interest to curious readers:

1. That Jupiter is mentioned in Acts 14:12,13; Acts 19:35.
2. That Diana is mentioned in Acts 19:24,27,28,34,35.
3. That Ashtaroth is mentioned in the Old Testament.
4. That Baal is mentioned countless times in the Old Testament.
5. That "the gods" is mentioned in the Bible:

-- the gods of Egypt/the Egyptians
-- the gods of the Amorites
-- the gods of the Philistines
-- the gods of Sepharvaim
-- the gods of Hamath
-- the gods of Edom
-- the gods of the children of Seir
-- the gods of the kings of Syria
-- the gods of Damascus
-- the gods of Hamath and Arphad
-- the goddess of the Zidonians
-- the gods of the nations [... and other forms]

 
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Re: Myths ... [and Biblical References to Idols]

September 11 2015, 8:52 PM 

7 Have nothing to do with irreverent, silly myths. Rather train yourself for godliness;

You need to read my refutation of 100% errors by David Young And the Lipscomb Infiltrators and Diverters.

They VIOLATE Paul's outlawing Jewish Fables: The Spirit of Christ clearly trashed the "lying pen of the Scribes" and charged the Scribes (song and sermon writers) and Pharisees (teachers-fleecer) with being HYPOCRITES. We posted Christ's prophecy in Isaiah 29 and Ezekiel 33 where He NAMED "performance preachers for pay", singers and instrument players." God said that people treated HIM just the way they treated God.

Since you have researched the various triads in history, why don't you also research the accounts of virgin births of gods and goddesses throughout history, since they parallel the virgin birth of Jesus?

We have listed evidence of Encyclopedic Proportions about Virgin Births. Even though Eve had sex with Adam she said that she had "gotten a man from god." She claimed a virgin birth. Eve is related to vires, venom, venus and Paul said that she was WHOLLY SEDUCED and that Can was OF THAT WICKED ONE. Since you don't read, you missed it all.

ALL virgin births are the product of a god seducing a virgin: she was the mother (spirit) and had a son or daughter as the result of sexual seduction as Paul warned.

However, we noted that SPIRIT, BREATH, WORD are equated because when God breathes He BEGETS whatever it is He speaks the WORD over. Mary did conceive from a GOD so the Jews and other deranged people say that Mary was the MOTHER of God. In fact we have noted that EVE or EVAH is the MEDITRIX and is called the ABOMINATION: those claiming to be daughters of Eve are clamoring to get on the worship teams and into the pulpit because, like Eve, they TWIST the Word of God.

Eve is called ZOE in the Greek and Zoe IS Venus the goddess of love.




    
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Myths have Consumed Ken

September 12 2015, 7:06 AM 


Ken said: "Even though Eve had sex with Adam she said that she had "gotten a man from god." She claimed a virgin birth."


Eve claimed a virgin birth? Is this in the Bible?



Did Jesus need the virgin birth to be sinless? No, he was already sinless as the eternal Son of God before His birth. In Luke 1:32 he is called the Son of the most high. v.35 he is called "that Holy one", "the Son of God". He is also called in Mt.1:23 "Emmanuel", all these titles are of God himself who is without sin. Heb. 4:15 tells us "he was at all points tempted as we are, yet without sin." 2 Cor. 5:21, " For he made him who had no sin to be sin for us;" (also 1 Pt.2:22, and 1 Jn. 3:5.) This is the reason that God became man- to be a sacrifice for all mankind's sin.

 
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One Real God

September 12 2015, 11:06 AM 

Mr. Cruz
Of all these gods, goddesses, and greek pagan myths mentioned by you, Mr. Sublett or ANYONE or ANYWHERE.....are any of them real?
POINT MADE!!!

Mr. Sublett infuses and intertwines these myths into his tales to be historical fiction rather than the factual Truth that the Holy Scriptures has and ALWAYS will be.

Kudos for Dave.

 
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