Re: The Trinity as three persons is the Pagan Thesis Refuted by Scripture
|October 27 2015, 5:14 PM |
Here is a list I clipped and failed to record the source.
They are two........ one greater than the other (Jn.14:28),
one more knowledgeable than the other (Mt.24:36),
one worshipped by and feared by the other (Heb.5:1-8),
one sanctified and sent into the world by the other (Jn.10:36),
as said the Spirit of Christ through the prophet, "Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me) to do Thy will, O God" (Ps.40:6-9).
One was the Husbandman; the other was the Vine (Jn.15:1).
One was teacher; the other was taught (Jn.8:40).
One was, and is, kept alive by the other (Jn.5:26; 6:57).
In all things, the Son is subservient to the Father, for, though all power in heaven and in earth has been given to the Son, it is obvious that He who gave the Son that power did not submit Himself to him (1Cor.15:27-28).
Every knee shall bow (Phip.2:10), except the knee of the Father. He will not bow to His own Son. Quite the contrary, for in the end, "shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."
1Cor. 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
Matt. 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Matt. 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only
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Trinity Proof Texts
|October 28 2015, 2:12 PM |
We have noted that John identifies an ANTICHRIST as those who do not have the Father-Son. As the writers left their "parts" for our memory the term The Holy Spirit no longer appears in the salutations to the epistles.
That is because There is just ONE GOD the FATHER and One Lord Jesus Christ: He was MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ by his commission as evangelistic bringer of good news.
There is only ONE God the Father (teacher)
And One Mediator between Man and God the MAN Jesus Christ.
That is why ALL of the direct commands are to TEACH that which has been taught or that which is written for our learning. Isaiah 3 makes it clear that the role of the church is to make known the manifest wisdom OF GOD.
EVERYONE tries to INSERT Trinity of three persons by collecting long lists which just proves that they are NOT one of the Little Flock which eats and does not try to feed the goats (ecumenicl). NOONE it seems wants to read the context since Spiritual Formation at LU etal wants you to ignore the context and meditate your way to a new revelation which God WOULD HAVE revealed if He had a Phd.
Note that MANY of the key "dogma" words have a pagan and evil meaning among those OF the World: the CONTEXT is to EXCLUDE the secular meaning and FILL IT with spiritual anti-ecumenical truth. Tares make good bread but they send you into blind delusions: make certain that you know the meaning of "baptism by spirit (wind) and fire" to use the WORD to blow (spirit) away the chaff to be burned up.
|December 16 2015, 12:28 PM |
After Constantine SINGING was imposed: then as now as propaganda more than Biblical.
…And so God Himself, as he really is, is inexpressible to all.
He alone has no equal, no one similar (homoios), and no one of the same glory.
We call him unbegotten, in contrast to him who by nature is begotten.
We praise him as without beginning in contrast to him who has a beginning.
We worship him as timeless, in contrast to him who in time has come to exist.
He who is without beginning made the Son a beginning of created things.
He produced him as a son for himself by begetting him.
He [the son] has none of the distinct characteristics of God’s own being (kat’ hypostasis)
For he is not equal to, nor is he of the same being (homoousios) as him.
God is wise, for he himself is the teacher of Wisdom –
Sufficient proof that God is invisible to all:
He is is invisible both to things which were made through the Son, and also to the Son himself.
I will say specifically how the invisible is seen by the Son:
by that power by which God is able to see, each according to his own measure,
the Son can bear to see the Father, as is determined
So there is a Triad, not in equal glories.
Their beings (hypostaseis) are not mixed together among themselves.
As far as their glories, one infinitely more glorious than the other.
The Father in his essence (ousia) is a foreigner to the Son, because he exists without beginning.
Understand that the Monad [eternally] was; but the Dyad was not before it came into existence.
It immediately follows that, although the Son did not exist, the Father was still God.
Hence the Son, not being [eternal] came into existence by the Father’s will,
He is the Only-begotten God, and this one is alien from [all] others
[Williams suggests a section on the Holy Spirit may have been omitted here (p. 310).]
Wisdom came to be Wisdom by the will of the Wise God.
Hence he is conceived in innumerable aspects. He is Spirit,
Power, Wisdom, God’s glory, Truth, Image, and Word.
Understand that he is also conceived of as Radiance and Light.
The one who is superior is able to beget one equal to the Son,
But not someone more important, or superior, or greater.
At God’s will the Son has the greatness and qualities that he has.
His existence from when and from whom and from then — are all from God.
He, though strong God, praises in part (ek merous) his superior .
In brief, God is inexpressible to the Son.
For he is in himself what he is, that is, indescribable,
So that the son does not comprehend any of these things or have the understanding to explain them.
For it is impossible for him to fathom the Father, who is by himself.
For the Son himself does not even know his own essence (ousia),
For being Son, his existence is most certainly at the will of the Father.
What reasoning allows, that he who is from the Father should comprehend and know his own parent?
For clearly that which has a beginning is not able to conceive of or grasp the existence of that which has no beginning.
Re: Arius Thalia
|December 16 2015, 4:28 PM |
Modern Trinitarians are defacto Arians because they say that Jesus existed as one of the "god people" thinking that God's WORDS (what He speaks to command) is also God.
We believe that there is one God, and that God is one. That God is called the Heavenly Father. That we have one Lord who is not God, Jesus Christ, who is the son of God. And we believe the holy Spirit is the influence of God's power. The Father and Son are separate beings and the Father is superior in power, wisdom and authority. Jesus is God's express image and was given all power on heaven and earth.
We believe that there is but one God who is one person who is the Father.. That His son, Jesus Christ, was his first creation and through His son created all of creation. We do not believe that the holy Spirit is a person
See Gen 41:40-44 for a Scriptural Type of this relationship between God and the Son. [This is Joseph: the son God called out of Egypt was still a TYPE long after eternity. Jesus is not declared the Son of God until He was baptized]
IN PAGANISM SOPHIA AND LOGOS WERE REAL PERSONS SUPERIOR TO THE MINOR JEHOVAH. However, Sophia is WISDOM and not a person. However, Arius used Proverbs to prove that JESUS was created from the very "beginning" of the eternal Jehovah.
Prov. 8:22 The LORD possessed me [WISDOM] in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Prov. 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Prov. 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Prov. 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
Prov. 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Prov. 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Prov. 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Prov. 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Prov. 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Prov. 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
It has been noted that God ALWAYS had His Word and Mind (spirit) and WISDOM with him. Trinitarians fall into the same trap by teaching that Jesus existed from the beginning of Creation.
Jesus was not CHRIST or Messiah until God "made him to be."
1Cor. 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1Cor. 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:Rom. 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Rom. 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom. 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: