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Ken Sublett
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Re: God Made Jesus the Crucified Both Lord and Christ

September 13 2015, 9:53 PM 

In Acts ONLY BAPTISM gives one A holy spirit: the person with an UNholy spirit when they are SAVED at baptism.

In 1 Peter 3 He said that BAPTISM NOW SAVES US
That is the only way to CALL upon God REQUESTING that He give us a good conscience, consciousness meaning a CO-PERCEPTION of the Word of God. It is perfectly clear that no level of occupation-driven Bible Study or the number of degrees one has in Greek, Jesus said that God HIDES from the Wise, sophists meaning "self preaching for Hire", singing or playing instruments.

Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: in Isaiah 29 and Ezekiel 33 HYPOCRITES are defined as popular preachers for hire, singers, instrument players or their paying audience.

Jesus said that He doesn't PRAY for the World ORDER, KOSMOS or the ECUMENICAL as the reign of Satan.

Here is another perfectly clear passage which will get you called a liar or insane:

1Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received,
.....not the spirit OF the world,
.....but the spirit WHICH is OF God;
.....THAT we might KNOW the things
.....that are freely given to us of God.


A Holy Spirit or A good conscience speaks of our field of view. If you trust humans or "acts" of worship which do not teach or all of those dozens of programs they want you to join as WORKS of self-righteousness which they BOAST of, you do not have a CLEAR FIELD OF VIEW. The ACTION taken therefore by God if you are involved is that you do NOT get involved in Cult-Like programs where non productive people try to drive you like plowing oxen.

Nor should you ever get involved in small groups controlled by the MOTHER CHURCH.

Repeat: the spirit OF the World is a WHICH or that and is NEVER a walking-Talking PEOPLE or person.

Unless God gives you the Spirit WHICH IS OF Him He will never be able to understand the text: most modern preachers don't even try to teach whole thought patterns.

Pound, Pound, Pound and only the Little Flock of lost spirits or the SECT that is called the WAY will find the NARROW ROAD or PATTERN to be followed. I regret that but if you trust a MEDIATOR in song and sermon and do NOT become a Disciple of Christ Who HAS preached the only sermons and written for our learning in the Prophets and Apostles you need to find a small group: all tribal wisdom and the Mormons plan groups no larger than 150.

DON'T listen to anyone who wants you to worship like the Jews whom God turned over to worship the starry HOST and ignore the CREATOR of the host. If they want you to mock Jesus with vocal or instrumental noise--outlawed by Christ for the Church in the wilderness, Paul says you might just put up with them: he said in effect (watch politics) that fools love to be fooled. And God lets you go.

1Cor. 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect:
.....yet not the wisdom of this world,
.....nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
1Cor. 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery,
.....even the hidden wisdom,
.....which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Cor. 2:13 Which things also we SPEAK,
.....not in the WORDS which man’s wisdom teacheth,
.....but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.


None of those who "see godliness as a means of financial gain" or occupation will know--with all of the Greek degrees--how to define the wisdom OF THE WORLD.

ANYTHING that falls under those EXAMPLES from real texts is EXCLUDED when you promise that Jesus is your only Rabbi.

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Bill
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Re: God Made Jesus the Crucified Both Lord and Christ

September 13 2015, 9:16 PM 

It may be a fallacy to you, but it's not to others. You are entitled to your opinions just as much as everyone else is entitled to theirs in academic matters such as these. I call them "academic matters" simply because no one is drawing the line between the saved and the lost over them. And if no one is drawing the line, then one person's opinion carries just as much weight as another person's. The kicker is whether or not we're mature enough to be able to accept the opinions of others without becoming upset and resorting to the ole puerile I-am-right-you-are-wrong attitude. happy.gif

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: God Made Jesus the Crucified Both Lord and Christ

September 13 2015, 9:58 PM 

You are correct: that's what God wants you to believe.

Gen. 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
.....and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen. 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man’s sake;
.....for the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth;
.....neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
Deut. 31:21 And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them,
.....that this song shall testify against them as a witness;
.....for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed:
.....for I know their imagination which they go about,
.....even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.
Jer. 3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD;
Jer. 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear,
.....but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart,
.....and went backward, and not forward.
Jer. 11:8 Yet they obeyed not, nor inclined their ear,
.....but walked every one in the imagination of their evil heart:
.....therefore I will bring upon them all the words of this covenant,
.....which I commanded them to do; but they did them not.
Jer. 13:10 This evil people, which refuse to hear my words,
.....which walk in the imagination of their heart,
.....and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them,
..........shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.
Jer. 16:12 And ye have done worse than your fathers;
.....for, behold, ye walk every one after the imagination of his evil heart,
..... that they may not hearken unto me:
Jer. 18:12 And they said, There is no hope:
..... but we will walk after our own devices,
.....and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart.
Jer. 23:17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said,
.....Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one
.....that walketh after the imagination of his own heart,
.....No evil shall come upon you.

Take Comfort, Bill, you belong to the overwhelming Volkism OF the World. People LOVE to join Great Companies: Hitler gloated over the fact that if you can get people to MASS up they can be defeated "without knowing that they gambled away their kingdom." That is the GOAL of the Mega churches or any GROWTH CENTERED institution.


    
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: God Made Jesus the Crucified Both Lord and Christ

September 14 2015, 12:04 AM 

Bill,

Acts 2:36 is very, very clear: "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."

God made Jesus the crucified BOTH Lord and Christ.

And that's not a fallacy. If it is, then refute it ... and you could have begun doing that instead in your 100-word post above.


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That was Peter's declaration (in Acts 2:36) just prior to saying, "Repent and be baptized in the name of Christ...." (Acts 2:38)


    
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Bill
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Re: God Made Jesus the Crucified Both Lord and Christ

September 14 2015, 1:14 AM 

Are you mature enough to accept the opinions of others who don't share your specific opinion in these academic matters? What is "specific" to you may not be "specific" to others. Learn to accept that in academic matters, opinions vary. Your opinion is merely one of many.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: God Made Jesus the Crucified Both Lord and Christ

September 14 2015, 2:22 AM 

Are you mature enough to recognize the fact that I've been quoting scripture after scripture with very little explanation?

Most of your same-worded posts have nothing to do with specific topics being discussed. Instead, they're full of comments about "opinions," "academic matters," "drawing the line between the saved and the lost," "I-am-right-you-are-wrong," "private interpretation," etc. Review your posts and see that very little or nothing has to do with the topics being discussed.

We've been open to opinions and interpretations because that's typical of religious forums. We've been publishing them. In fact, this board is more likely to ignore unnecessary comments like those above than to ignore opinions and interpretations regarding specific doctrinal topics.

Acts 2:36 is very important and relevant to the subject of this thread.

And you have no reaction -- yes or no or maybe -- to the truth that God made Jesus both Lord and Christ? If you prefer to substitute "Jesus" for "God" in the passage, feel free to express that opinion; it will be published.


 
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Re: God Made Jesus the Crucified Both Lord and Christ

September 14 2015, 8:28 AM 

Are you mature enough to realize that, with academic issues such as these, what Scripture means to one person may mean something else to another person? Are you mature enough to realize that people do have different interpretations of Scripture, and that with academic issues, one opinion is just as weighty and meaningful as another? Are you mature enough to realize that "God made Jesus Lord and Christ" to some people is just another way of saying that Jesus is God, that Jesus and God are inseparable, while it says something else to others?

With academic issues, your opinion is not necessarily the only "correct" one.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: God Made Jesus the Crucified Both Lord and Christ

September 14 2015, 11:11 AM 

You should go back to LU: they will give you a degree in Theology!

Eph. 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph. 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph. 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;


The Spiritual Formationists claim they can get the REAL TRUE meaning WITHOUT reading the Words of the Text.

Maybe we need to send people back to school of reading and a godly church to quite telling God that He cannot communicate very well. I sure wouldn't doc operating on my dead body!!

My cat knows that her conversation is not double-tongued and I jump when she speaks.

The Progressives also dispute a believers power to read black text on white paper. However, in one of my last "investments" the preacher said that HE could understand and be your MEDIATOR.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: God Made Jesus the Crucified Both Lord and Christ

September 14 2015, 10:52 PM 

Are you mature enough to realize that you keep repeating the same expressions that have nothing to do with the topic:

-- "opinions,"
-- "academic matters,"
-- "drawing the line between the saved and the lost,"
-- "I-am-right-you-are-wrong,"
-- "private interpretation,"
-- "different interpretations," etc.

Wow! Brilliant thoughts!!! Please stop it: WE ALREADY KNOW THAT!!! It's human nature!!!

Bill could have simply stated his belief as follows:

"I [Bill] believe: (1) that Jesus the Son of God is God and (2) that the Son is also the Father; therefore, Jesus made himself both Lord and Christ."

 
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Ken Sublett
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1 John 5:20 a Key "trinitarian" proof text.

September 14 2015, 9:24 PM 

It is a fact noted about the Devil and Erasmus that those NOT OF the Little Flock believe that if they find a verse which they think proves their vain imagination they sell it as part of cumulative proof if you can stack up several example. Noted scholars say that Jesus was DIVINE because God gave Him the power not available to mankind. Not good scholarship.

The Spiritual Formation including Lectio Divina--which violates reading the lections of Divine Scripture--believe that if you find a useable word or phrase and not try to understand the written context a spirit will give you the TRUE TRUTH which cannot be contained in texts so you need to hire those who hear "audible sounds" of "a" spirit or see visions. That is the MARK to identify those OF the World Order and from whom God hides and Jesus does not pray.

1 John 5:20 has lots of vain imagination but a DISCIPLE of Christ will never take an unclear translation for CLEAR passages.

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The Christian and Mythology

September 19 2015, 10:59 AM 

A very fine article by Lane Palmer

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“It’s the 21st century, but the gods of Mount Olympus and assorted monsters have walked out of the pages of high school student Percy Jackson’s Greek mythology texts and into his life. And they’re not happy: Zeus’ lightning bolt has been stolen, and Percy is the prime suspect."

This sounds like fun…yes? Sort of a “when Harry met history class” that includes those cool Greek mythology monsters and the shocking truth that Zeus’ bolt has gone missing…where will danger strike next?

The reviews have been mixed, but I think this comment from one teen says it all:

I’m sooooo watching the movie! I don't care about the reviews!!!!

Well, I sooooo hope she enjoys Percy Jackson and The Olympians. Who wouldn’t with a sword swinging Zac Efron look-alike whose dad is Poseidon? And believe me…he’s ready to make some waves people!

I don’t know how much you’re on the up and up with Greek mythology, but the top dog head honcho dude is Zeus, and there are an assortment of other gods with different roles and powers.

Do you know who was really on top of this Greek stuff? It may surprise you, but the early Christians were all over the Greek’s false beliefs, because they kept them from seeing the truth about Jesus Christ. Check out this encounter:

There was a man in Lystra who couldn't walk. He sat there, crippled since the day of his birth. He heard Paul talking, and Paul, looking him in the eye, saw that he was ripe for God's work, ready to believe. So he said, loud enough for everyone to hear, "Up on your feet!" The man was up in a flash - jumped up and walked around as if he'd been walking all his life.

When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they went wild, calling out in their Lyconian dialect, "The gods have come down! These men are gods!" They called Barnabas "Zeus" and Paul "Hermes" (since Paul did most of the speaking). The priest of the local Zeus shrine got up a parade - bulls and banners and people lined right up to the gates, ready for the ritual of sacrifice.

When Barnabas and Paul finally realized what was going on, they stopped them. Waving their arms, they interrupted the parade, calling out, "What do you think you're doing! We're not gods! We are men just like you, and we're here to bring you the Message, to persuade you to abandon these silly god-superstitions and embrace God himself, the living God. We don't make God; he makes us, and all of this - sky, earth, sea, and everything in them (Acts 14:8-14).

We look back at the ancient Greek culture and find it amusing that people would actually believe in the Olympian gods and their powers, but those folks took them very seriously. So seriously, in fact, that when they saw the real power of the only real God, they automatically gave credit to the wrong source.

That’s why the Apostle John used their own language and concept of God to tell them about Jesus:

In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. So the Word became human and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son (John 1:1;14).

The Greek word for “God” here is Theos, a term the Greek philosophers came up with to describe the One true God who created everything. The Greek word for “Word” in this passage is “Logos,” which was a term they used to describe a physical appearance of God.

So John is saying, “Hey Greeks! You know the God you believe in named Theos? Well, He’s real, and this Jesus we’ve been telling you about is Him in human form!”

So what does this mean? It means that the fascinating and life-changing story about the God of the universe who sent His Son to earth to be born of a virgin, live a perfect life, die a horrible death, then rise from the dead to prove His claims is not mythology. It happened in time and space, and it is the greatest story in any time period.

In Percy Jackson, there is a threat of eternal damnation that the “god man” must prevent through bravery and sacrifice. That is exactly what Jesus did when He died on the cross. He knew that the cup of God’s wrath was going to be poured on Him, causing the most horrible pain ever experienced – yet He pressed on. He knew redeeming us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse Himself (Galatians 3:13) would completely separate Him from the Father, who He had perfect intimacy with, until He rose again three days later. But He still died for us.

Even better… When we believe Jesus was who He said He was and did what the Bible says He did, and we put our faith and trust in Him alone for salvation, we discover that our Father really is God - the true and living God, who reigns over all of nature and humanity.

Like the early Christians, let’s lovingly show our friends the true and living God by telling them who He really is and what He has done for us.

Read more athttp://www.christianpost.com/news/43822/#P6vf0uRgdRgKBZw4.99

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: The Christian and Mythology

September 19 2015, 3:50 PM 


Isaiah 2:1-22 ESV The WORD that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the Lord [The asssembly of Christ]
shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and shall be lifted up above the hills;
and all the nations shall flow to it, and many peoples shall come,
And say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the house OF THE God of Jacob,
that HE may teach us HIS ways
and that WE may walk in HIS paths.”


The WAY of the SECT is the ROAD or PATH which is extremely narrow and onl a little flock of lost sheep will hear the voicle of JESUS and leap to be baptized" into that spiritual and invisible kingdom. His ways are what GOD speaks through his prophets--never priests or scribes.

True Disciples go to Bible class: mythmongers will OFFER you several styles of "worship services."
Jesus won't be there: He will be OUTSIDE suffering the REROACHES going on in the WORSHIP CENTER
Disciples can HEAR the invitation to come outside and LEARN OF ME.

The Doctrine of Christ is THAT WHICH Jesus taught. Notice that the WORD or LOGOS is a people only in myth whichh was the REAL worship of the Greeks and everyone. The PAGAN logos was Hermes, Mercury or Kairos the demon son of Zeus. Their worship leader was Apollon and his worship team were the Locusts or MUSES. They were prostitutes defines anyone who sells any body part in the name of a "god."

For out of Zion shall go the law, and the WORD of the Lord FROM Jerusalem.
He shall judge between the nations, and shall decide disputes for many peoples;


The WORD or Logos or Regulative principle was MANIFEST in that which Jesus SPOKE where speak is the OPPOSITE of ODE. The Laws of Christ are compared to the WORD of Christ and do remember that OF is a preposition. You may have to be deprogrammed if the scholars "learned" you

The Progressives who say "we gonna upset your comfort zones" but we gonna do it gradually so you frogs don't jump before you are boiled.

The Progressives boast of making "worship wars" and telling any one who questions the vipers to get over it or get out: that is a MARK to just get out. 2/3 of the local sheep jumped rather than be fleeced to the "sounds of rushing waters."

and they shall beat their SWORDS into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks;
nation shall not lift up SWORD against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.
O house of Jacob, come, let us walk in the LIGHT of the Lord. ...


Jesus said that He was LIGHT in the same sense of WORD: Neither Light nor Word are members of an always pagan trinity.

When someone says "let the light shine" the progressives TURN on the team turning tricks on route 666.







    
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Itch...Itch...

September 20 2015, 11:09 AM 

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Interventions are never pretty. Ken, let the Doctor see your ears!

 
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Ken suglett
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Re: Itch...Itch...

September 20 2015, 2:48 PM 

I moved my stuff to the other thread: you just try working the new mac wireless keyboard made for hobbits and your blood pressure will hurt

 
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Ken sublett
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Re: Itch...Itch...

September 20 2015, 3:37 PM 

When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they went wild, calling out in their Lyconian dialect, "The gods have come down! These men are gods!" They called Barnabas "Zeus" and Paul "Hermes" (since Paul did most of the speaking). The priest of the local Zeus shrine got up a parade - bulls and banners and people lined right up to the gates, ready for the ritual of sacrifice.

When Barnabas and Paul finally realized what was going on, they stopped them. Waving their arms, they interrupted the parade, calling out, "What do you think you're doing! We're not gods! We are men just like you, and we're here to bring you the Message, to persuade you to abandon these silly god-superstitions and embrace God himself, the living God. We don't make God; he makes us, and all of this - sky, earth, sea, and everything in them (Acts 14:8-14).

We look back at the ancient Greek culture and find it amusing that people would actually believe in the Olympian gods and their powers, but those folks took them very seriously. So seriously, in fact, that when they saw the real power of the only real God, they automatically gave credit to the wrong source.


All of the Progressives have fallen backward to the archaic because they deny the LOGOS or Regulative.

That appears in planting instrumental groups under the KAIROS theme and Spiritual Formation dominated by females or wannbe's. Lectio Divina is the worship of Mary or the Thesslian Witch or Hag and MOON worship.

Kairos is Hermes or Mercury and a demon-spirit son of Zeus. The Devil is really active now because he knows that his KAIROS is short.

http://www.piney.com/2Macc.html

http://www.piney.com/Acts.2.Crooked.html

"While the Greeks cultivated paiderasteia as a fundamental institution of male society and attribute of gods and heros, in two centuries, under Persian rule (538-332 B.C.), Biblical Judaism came to reject and penalize male homosexuality in all forms. Jewish religious consciousness deeply internalized this taboo, which became a distinctive feature of Judaic sexual morality, setting the worshippers of the god of Israel apart from the gentiles whose idols they despised. This divergence set the stage for the confrontation between Judaism and Hellenism (Johansson and Percy:34).

In implying that the rejection of homosexuality by the Jews began in this time period, Johansson and Percy ignore the Biblical record, but they are correct that the Jews’ opposition to homosexuality was a central factor in their hostility to the Greeks. They continue (somewhat bitterly), describing the context in which the first clash of these value systems occurred:

At the heart of the “sodomy delusion” lies the Judaic rejection of Hellenism and paiderasteia, one of the distinctive features of the culture brought by the Greek conquerors of Asia Minor. It is a fundamental, ineluctable clash of values within what was destined to become Western civilization. Only in the Maccabean era did the opposition to Hellenization and everything Hellenic lead to the intense, virtually paranoid hatred and condemnation of male homosexuality, a hatred that Judaism bequeathed to the nascent Christian church (ibid.:36).

In his article “Homosexuality and the Maccabean Revolt,” Catholic scholar Patrick G. D. Riley also identifies homosexuality as the focal point of conflict between the Jews and the Greeks. The Greek King, Antiochus, had ordered that all the nations of his empire be “welded... into a single people” (Riley:14). This created a crisis for the Jews, forcing them to choose between faithfulness to Biblical commandments (at the risk of martyrdom) and participation in a range of desecrations from “the sacrificing of pigs and the worshiping of idols, to ‘leaving their sons uncircumsized, and prostituting themselves to all kinds of impurity and abomination’ (1 Macc. 1:49-51)” (ibid.:14).

The Greeks also built one of their gymnasia in Jerusalem, which “attracted the noblest young men of Israel...subduing them under the petaso” (emphasis ours -- 2 Macc. 4:12). In the traditional Latin translation the above phrase is rendered “to put in brothels” (Riley:15). The gymnasia were notorious throughout the ancient world for their association with homosexual practices. In fact, Flaceliere concludes from Plutarch’s writings that from the beginning of its acceptance in Greece, “the development of homosexuality was connected to the rise of gymnasia...[which usually contained] not only a statue or Hermes, but also one of Eros” (Flaceliere:65).

The tensions which led to the Jewish revolt were exacerbated when the Jewish high priest, a Hellenist himself, offered a sacrifice to Heracles (Hercules), who was a Greek symbol of homosexuality. Riley adds, “The Jewish temple itself became the scene of pagan sacrificial meals and sexual orgies [including homosexuality].” The final insult (for which Antiochus is identified in the Bible as the archetype of the antichrist) “was the installation in the temple of a pagan symbol, possibly a representation of Zeus [Baal], called by a sardonic pun ‘the abomination of desolation’” (Riley.:16).

In the ensuing religious revolt, the Maccabees “preserved what would become the moral charter of Christendom, just as in defending marriage they saved what would be the very material of its construction, namely, the family” (ibid.:17). Yet, though they preserved the Judeo-Christian sexual ethic, the Maccabees did not vanquish Greek philosophy as a rival social force. Of the two irreconcilable belief systems, the Judeo-Christian one would prevail, allowing the development of what we know today as Western culture; yet Hellenism survived.


Most of the Israelites had fled or been driven out of Canaan because they refused--as did Jesus--to "bow to Baal" by singing and dancing the Dionysus Choral when the Jews Piped. John refused to baptize them and called them a generation of Vipers. Jesus used only parables to HIDE the truth from them. And Peter said that they should save themselves FROM that crooked generation. The Skolios singers were marked by the skolion songs the perverted male symposia sang.

The Greeks Defined two forms of men

Attention to SOPHIA including "rhetoric, singing and playing" and paiderasteia as APPROVED.
Or Attention to LOGOS the Regulative Principle and Dialog: Karen Armstrong speaking of Amos says that the "Males were too effeminate to enter into dialog with God." And THAT was the mark of the PROGRESSIVES whose persona drives normal people out up to 2/3..

 
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Kairos demon con of zeus is pictured with wings

September 20 2015, 5:40 PM 

[linked image] The sons of ZEUS are pictured with Apollo-Apollon or Abaddon: He is the gender confused LEADER-SPIRITUS of the Musical Worshipers of HIM


    
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Even if Moses was telling you, You wouldn't believe it

September 23 2015, 3:46 PM 

Donnie says "Acts 2:36 is very, very clear: "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ." "


Donnie can't answer this though
Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Donnie hems and haws with saying that God might not have MEANT to be capitalized there, or it really didn't mean Father as in God, but Donnie why did it back up each other? When this author backs up "mighty God" with "The everlasting Father" it means that the author is empirically stating that Jesus who was/is God. You do NOTICE that verse 6 in Isaiah 9 begins by speaking ABOUT the son. Then THE SON WAS GOD. THE SON WAS/IS the everlasting Father.

John 10
30 I and my Father are one.


No Donnie that isn't just a passing thought as YOU claim. It is by Jesus Himself and no it wasn't just to convey a thought on mental and emotional unity. THEY ARE ONE in every way. THAT IS WHY God hurt when Jesus took His last breath on the cross. Why? Because Jesus was a part of God....therefore as the author in John 1 claims....Jesus is God. The Word was God, the Word became Jesus in the flesh, which STILL and ALWAYS will mean that Jesus was/is God.

The funny thing Donnie....YOU are the one who mocks those who claim the Trinity, yet YOU are the one who wants to separate God from Christ. I shouldn't say it is funny, for it really isn't funny Ken or Donnie. So you want proof AGAIN for the umptenth time Donnie??? Really???


 
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Re: Even if Moses was telling you, You wouldn't believe it

September 23 2015, 4:53 PM 

The funny thing Donnie....YOU are the one who mocks those who claim the Trinity, yet YOU are the one who wants to separate God from Christ. I shouldn't say it is funny, for it really isn't funny Ken or Donnie. So you want proof AGAIN for the umptenth time Donnie??? Really???

Christ is a word used for the promised MESSIAH. It is derived from chrism or an anointing. Jesus did NOT anoint Himself or PRESUME to be Lord over His Kingdom for a short duration. The Kingdom DOES NOT COME with Religious Observations where people go to get the latest "word" for those Paul clearly says that they are LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE. and in the worlds of Paul "fools love to be fooled." They are OF the World or the ECUMENICAL reign of Satan they WILLINGLY try to SET UP in a church stolen from the MIKROS flock.

God places his anointed "oil" on the MAN Jesus Christ and that MAKES HIM TO BE both Lord and Christ. Christ is not a GOD word.

That which God ANOINTS is never God Himself. God MADE Jesus of Nazareth TO BE both Lord and Christ. The MAKER is always superior than the MADE. People disparage Jesus when they say that "Yeh! but He was God."

Jesus was anointed with oil above his BROTHERS but a little LOWER than angels.

We have noted and noted that HIS NAME shall be called god: there is not case included. God in Hebrew is Emmanuel. Elohim is a GENERIC word for all of the "gods" people worshipped or even lords and masters. Many times Scripture notes JEHOVAH is the ONLY True Elohim.

They CALLED HIS NAME Jesus which is Joshua or Jehovah-Saves speaking of a role of the ONE Jehovah.

God the FATHER is Jehovah-Righted: GOD HAS NO NAME: He is always identified by the WHOM or WHAT or WHERE He makes His power known.




    
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September 23 2015, 7:02 PM 

Ken said "The MAKER is always superior than the MADE."


Ever heard of Giulio or Alessandro Stradavari? No, but everyone knows about Guilio's grandson and Alessandro's son Antonio.

Try that one again Ken. Make up another one. You are good at it.

 
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September 23 2015, 8:49 PM 

If the ONE GOD THE FATHER made Jesus of Nazareth TO BE both Lord and Christ then God then Jesus even as Lord is NOT the same as the ONE GOD THE FATHER who made him.

If I make a book case to hold my books then I as the MAKER is superior to the book case which I made.

If ken made the book case then the book case is not Ken. Isn't that simple. People have the greatest trouble reading simple verses.

If the ONE GOD is the Father and Jesus of Nazareth is his Son then you accuse the Spirit OF Christ with being ignorant for not saying that the Son IS the Father.

For instance "Jesus Wept." Jesus made the tears: the tears are from Jesus but they are NOT JESUS.

I know it does not say that "Jesus didn't bawl out loud" so therefore the new hermaNEUTS can preach a sermon about the heart wrenching crying of Jesus and make YOU pay them too. The people OF THE WORLD (ecumenical) by definition are IRRATIONAL: they even slander churches of Christ by saying that Alexander Campbell was RATIONAL and therefore cannot be trusted. The lOGOS as the regulative principle means RATIONAL. They will never--can never--catch on.

 
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