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Ask away

October 14 2015 at 7:01 PM
Jason Shepherd  (no login)
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Just checking in from Well House. Hope all is well, I miss you guys!



Jason, your ID, please? happy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gif So, when was the last time you posted?


    
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Re: Ask away

October 15 2015, 3:02 AM 


Jason,

Familiar topics right now -- Trinity, instrumental music, change agents, worship, the progressives.



 
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Re: Ask away

October 15 2015, 3:36 PM 

Jason,

At the very least you have escaped traditionalism without a reason!



 
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Rocnar
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Re: Ask away

October 15 2015, 4:39 PM 

Jason, how are things at the Well House? Hope things are going good. I'm not sure why you are here. [. . .] Donnie will be fair with you. Looking forward to your opinions.

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So, the question may be: "Jason, is that you?" happy.gif


    
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Ask away

October 15 2015, 4:58 PM 

Jason is spelled Rocnar. Jason would never give an excuse for the hope that lies in him.

If I am right I would appreciate Dave to quit playing dumb games: pretty good actor?

 
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Re: Ask away

October 15 2015, 5:40 PM 


Ken, do you think Dave and Rocnar are one in the same? I am flattered but you are wrong, you are also wrong about music in the Church. Do you really claim to be COC?

As far as I know JASON is legit.

 
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Rocnar
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Re: Ask away

October 15 2015, 5:58 PM 

Ken, this is what you said about Jason.

http://www.piney.com/Jason.Shepherd.Madison.Church.of.html

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Ask away

October 15 2015, 11:37 PM 

Rocnar,

You may have done Ken a favor: The article covers important doctrinal matters: salvation by grace through faith, the church, baptism, the communion, tithes and offerings [????], etc. Thanks for the link.

 
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Re: Ask away

October 16 2015, 2:24 PM 



Jason, I'm not sure of your current status. Do you still preach? Does your current Church allow IM?

 
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Jason Shepherd
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Yes and Yes

October 19 2015, 12:25 PM 

I am alive and well...still preaching at a church called Well House, it's a growing part of the body of Jesus that cares deeply for the lost and the hurting of this community. And yes we "allow", as does God IM!

 
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Re: Yes and Yes

October 19 2015, 2:49 PM 

The statement that exploded the Madison Church of Christ was "we don't know what it will look like and we don't know what we're going to call it." Of course, it's still called the Madison Church of Christ, and it looks like it did many years before.

Anyone who opposed the proposed changes were casted as similar to "the elder brother."

This really made the church "hurt."

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Yes and Yes

October 19 2015, 6:02 PM 

ALL of the progressives usurp authority God never gave them to "cast out of the synagogue" up to 2/3 of the "owners" so WE can have UNITY. We Bible Students have already read the last act and have moved out of the way of falling towers. I am several "investments with the lord" slow to believe that the 'unity in diversity' everyone wants by forcing others to stay glued to THEIR unity says--to the readers--THEY ARE LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.

They call that just MYTHS. If the "resident pilgrims" is a Little Flock Jesus came to pluck out of the WORLD or the ECUMENICAL masses, why would anyone want to cluster with BIG FLOCKS of goats eating old tin cans.

 
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Rocnar
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Re: Ask away

October 16 2015, 3:35 PM 


Donnie, thanks for culling Theia, titan goddess of shinning - Greek Gods. I don't think that mythology is necessary either. I think you did us all a favor happy.gif

 
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Ken Sublett
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THEA: Feminist Theology at ACU

October 16 2015, 5:59 PM 

The theologians at the universities debunk the Bible as written and teach theology. Churches of Christ are RACA WORDED because they don't go with the flow of church councils and practices suited to the culture. Nevertheless or because of they scramble the Scriptures YOU cannot read or trust to defend their views. They are cast in the cement of their theology which is certified by other BOOK SELLERS and are on the CIRCUITS of THE WORLD VIEW which is sad because Jesus said that He doesn't PRAY for the World View. The Little Flock are not OF this World and their only view is that defined by Christ. When people discover that they missed the Boat, as in The Book of Enoch, they mock the LIVING WORD knowing that they cannot ever return.

http://www.piney.com/Feminist.Theology.of.Abilene.Christian.University.html

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We used to chain Bibles to the pulpit so they could not be stolen and were ALWAYS there to be read at will. The Jews CHARGED for reading their copy.

Now, we chain preachers to the pulpit who--by virtue of his hire--claims that the elders are not APT and he can act as censor as promoted by Rubel Shelly re the COMMUNITY or COMMUNE "progressives" GROUP MIND.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Ask away

October 17 2015, 10:45 PM 

James defines PURE religion: IMPURE religion is what most churches will do when as gathered they are called SYNAGOGUE defines aa a School (only) of Christ (only) defined as the Prophets and Apostles. Christ the Rock defined that for the Church in the Wilderness which quarantined the godly people FROM the practice of RELIGION of Egypt-Canaan-Greece-Babylon at their Ziggurat in Jerusalem which is defined as Bondage and Sodom.

If you do Acts OF WORSHIP you are acting: Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites. He references Isaiah 29 and Ezekiel 33 where God told Ezekiel that they would treat him just like they treated God. They rushed outside the walls to hear performance preaching for pay, singers and instrument players. God says that this is a mark of NOTHING, Just NOTHING vanity. The godly Jews even in Jerusalem would be in one of the synagogues to Rest, Read and Rehearse the Word so they could go home and NOT be plagued by money collectors until the Next Apointed Hour one week later. That's the pattern Jesus established.

The purest form of "worship" beyond falling on your face is to SIT STILL, BE QUIET and give attendance to the Word (only) be PREACHED by being READ. That was the PATTERN the Campbells defined as a local "society" where everyone could come and hear the Word read and go home to discuss their personal opinions. There is no Widow's Purse to feed you if you refuse to follow the example and command of Paul to the MANY: if you will not work then neither shall you eat.

Please note that Abaddoh is the word for the Levite's MUSICAL SERVICE which is from Abaddon because they had been abandoned to worship the starry host. The unknown God among the Jews had lots of names substituted for the God of Abraham and Apollon is one of the unknown gods Paul outlaws. If he shows up in your "worship center" he will be the only personified SPIRIT and he will be the Leader of the Muses or in John's language, Locusts sent to collectivize those without the Mark of the Word.

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Ken Sublett
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No Music in the School of Christ: maybe kindergarten

October 19 2015, 1:48 PM 

God is said to HATE several things: sowing discord among brothers. He hated instrumental-trinitarian idolatry so much because the REST or Sabbath meant REST and not a day of worship. For that sin He promised to send them into captivity and death with no redemption. He gave the LAW OF MOSES to regulate them until He gave them "kings in His anger" to carry out the sentence.

In Amos 8 the music IN the temple would be turned into howling because the leaders starved the people for lack of the WORD: Dabar or Logos means God's regulative principle and it outlaws rhetoric, singing or playing instruments when you charge people to hear from Christ.

SPEAK as in LEXIS is the opposite to ODE and MELODY never meant musical melody at any time in history. ALL of the SPEAKING functions are to Speak that which is written for our learning. Ministry is not something you do as a "worship service."

There is no command, example or remote inference of burdening people on their rest day to "sing as a group with or without instruments." And all of the instrument passages speak of BURNING because all musical terms including Miriam and the Levites prophesying means SOOTHSAYING or SORCERY is used interchangeably. The DIRECT COMMAND is to "synagogue" the "ekklesia" ONCE EACH WEEK to study the Word. Neither the civil or religious ekklesia or synagogue tampered with people's money and especially their time until the "next appointed hour." Jesus synagogued with the disciples and then WENT OUT and knew to return on the Next Lord's day. A School of Christ is a School of Christ and its charter does not extend beyond "making the manifest wisdom of God known." Jesus as Holy Spirit just flat forgot to gift a "preacher" in the located sense and commanded the APT elders to remove the cunning craftsmen or sophists: speakers, singers, instrument players because

ALL religious craftsmen, speakers, singers or instrument players are called SORCERERS in Revelation because they HAD DECEIVED the whole world: they would be, John says, CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

1Pet. 4:11 If any man SPEAK,
let him speak as the oracles of God;
If any man minister,
let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

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Jesus warned that doctors of the law "take away the key to knowledge" and I am certain that most of the Bible Colleges have become universities creating doctors of the law in a religious sense. That is why they will not dare respond. Thanks for responding if you is you.

Can you imagine a Doctor of Pharmacy being taught by the FEMALE INSTRUCTING PRINCIPLE (beast) that they can go MONKISH and get "a" spirit to tell them what the olden ignored text REALLY means? Lectio Divina flows down from the monks as a product of MOON BLOOD proving that women were witches able to hear the gods..

Plat. Gorg. 513a and so therefore now, whether it is your duty to make yourself as like as possible to the Athenian people, if you intend to win its affection and have great influence in the city: see if this is to your advantage and mine, so that we may not suffer, my distinguished friend, the fate that they say befalls the creatures who would draw down the moon—the hags of Thessaly;1 that our choice of this power in the city may not cost us all that we hold most dear. But if you suppose that anyone in the world can transmit to you such an art as will cause you
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[513b] to have great power in this state without conforming to its government either for better or for worse, in my opinion you are ill-advised, Callicles; for you must be no mere imitator


1 Socrates alludes to the popular theory that the practice of witchcraft is a serious danger or utter destruction to the practicer

 
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Re: Ask away

October 20 2015, 8:16 AM 


Jason, there are a lot "rants and raves" at this site. It is not unusual for one to
"cut off (one's) nose to spite (one's) face" as in the case of instrumental music AND Church singing being condemned. It is a isolated case but is renewed daily.

Jason, thanks for stopping by. You have better things to do and God Bless.

 
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Re: Ask away

October 20 2015, 12:57 PM 

The deeper issue is that of being willing to rupture the local congregation in order to have an individual's way, rather than instrumental music. A group was willing to rupture the body in order to have instruments and to carry its young into captivity.

The original fundamental issue involving it was that it represented the foremost characteristic of those who were unwilling to place secular authority over religious authority, and to place denominational development as more important than congregation autonomy. Such emblems as the flag, secularism, hierarchical development were all greater threat than instrumental music. But instrumental music became a SYMBOL of all these digressive developments.

The Disciples thought that applying modern techniques to worship and church organization would bring droves of people to their meeting places. Today, the Disciples are roughly 600,000 in membership, and are begging their people to study the Bible more.

Someone remarked that the average young person in the church is not familiar with the contents of John 3:16. It would be interesting to know how many person know the Beatitudes, difference between the New Testament and the Old Testament, or how grace in conditioned on obedience. Some parents are shocked when they realize the gap between their knowledge and that of their children.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Ask away

October 20 2015, 2:07 PM 

I don't know about offending tens of thousands based on the LU and Mad Madison since no one ever said "thou shalt NOT offend tens of thousands."

Matt. 18:6 But whoso shall offend ONE of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

4624. skandalizo, skan-dal-id´-zo; from 4625 [trap-stick (bent sapling), i.e. snare] ; to entrap, i.e. trip up (figuratively, stumble (transitively) or entice to sin, apostasy or displeasure): — (make to) offend.

Matthew 5:29] If your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it away from you. For it is profitable for you that one of your members should perish, than for your whole body to be cast into Gehenna.


Rick Atchley: How to SET THE SNARE: "Back in the 80’s you could go to any major city, especially in the South, and you could find a progressive Church of Christ — and if they would preach grace, and if they would put words on a screen, and if they would let divorced people place membership, they would grow.

The generation of Boomers has enough denominational loyalty that they’re going to find the least legalistic

Well, we discipled the children of those progressive churches
.....for a whole generation to grow past us Boomers.
.....They never heard the sermons we heard.
.....They never heard the rationale for a cappella music.

We sent them to youth rallies and Church of Christ events
.....with some of the finest Christian bands in the world.
.....We discipled our children to leave our Movement!

The SKANDAL of it all is that they teach them the PATTERN of those "God abandoned to worship the starry host BECAUSE of instrumental-trinitarian practices."

As they say and say WE ARE INTENTIONAL or PURPOSE DRIVEN: Their MASTER and and CULT LEADER is Apollon-Abaddon and he is the leader of the MUSES (Locusts) or His worship Team. The muses were known as FILTHY SHEPHERDESSES who knew how to make lies sound like truth.

That's why they are tongue-tied and well never respond: the Judas Bag was for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments always attached to a flute case. When Judas tried to TRIUMPH OVER Jesus and failed, Jesus hand fed him the SOP and he went out and hanged himself, twisted in the wind until his guts fell out. SOP and PSALLO have the same root meaning. The Devil is not kind to his "sons" says Jesus who SPEAK ON THEIR OWN if they even wanted to repent.

Musical Performances is, well documented in the Book of Enoch and other documents just WHISTLING in the cemetary knowing that they will not survive the shadow of death: the Jews had a covenant with Death and Hell but it did not protect them.

Not even "concervatives" can peep without being shoved off their "career path."


 
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Jason Shepherd
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Thanks

October 23 2015, 5:34 PM 

Scripture sound like I did you a favor, "taking" all those liberals! You're welcome. What's your real name scripture? I'd love to grab lunch.

 
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