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Ken Sublett
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Re: Bible Translation?

November 21 2015, 11:14 AM 

That was well said. The Bible often speaks in forms of parallelism. So that we don't hang up on one word such as "faith" (which demands to comply), God gives us another meaning.

Gal. 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal. 3:27 For [What I MEAN IS] as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

g1063. gar, assigning a reason, explanation or intensification, indeed
Latin: Enim why because, for, for instance, namely, that is to say, I mean, in fact I. To corroborate a preceding assertion, yes indeed, yes truly, of a truth, to be sure, certainly, indeed: A. To prove or show the grounds of a preceding assertion.

We are saved by Faith IN Christ Jesus:
What I mean is that at Baptism we are IN or Clothed with Christ.

If you even debate that you do not have A holy spirit or A good consciousness meaning a CO-PERCEPTION of the Word.

Spirit, Heart, Mind, Innermost Being mean the same things. Pneuma means WIND only. It is used of the BREATH. When speaking of a person or God it means the MENTAL DISPOSITION of that person.

Psa. 34:18 The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken HEART;
and saveth such as be of a contrite SPIRIT.

Psa. 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
Psa. 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken SPIRIT: a broken and a contrite HEART, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Ezek. 36:26 A new HEART also will I give you, and a new SPIRIT will I put within you: and I will take away the stony HEART out of your flesh, and I will give you an v of flesh.
Ezek. 36:27 And I will put my SPIRIT within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Zech. 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
Zech. 7:12 Yea, they made their HEART as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his SPIRIT by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts.

Mark 2:8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in HIS SPIRIT that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your HEART?

Rom. 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom. 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the HEART, in the SPIRIT, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Because God the father BREATHED into Jesus as He had the earlier prophets, Jesus could say that after He returned to the Spirit realm:

John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
John 6:63 It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; the FLESH profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are LIFE.

WORDS (words even as pictures or symbols) is the GOD-GIVEN method of communication. If WE supply OUR words (outlawed by God) the are NOT Spirit and they are not LIFE bringing.

The ONLY avenue God has given as a MARK (says Peter) of one with A holy spirit was given in the wilderness and never changed:

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city
them that PREACH him,
being READ in the synagogues every sabbath day.

In the morning if you have hired someone to PRIVATE INTERPRET or FURTHER EXPOUND the Word Peter wants you to know that he is a false teacher and despises Christ Who was the eye-- and ear--witnesses to the apostles.

If he prances and puffs and preens and speaks of himself or tells jokes or sings, plays instruments, or ACT He is ANTI-Logos or ANTI-Christ in that God made Jesus to be the visible and audible Mind of the Father.

REST includes the word SKHOLE: if you hear all of the puffing about what WE are doing then you know that someone has made you a community meaning COMMUNE.

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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Bible Translation?

November 22 2015, 2:12 AM 


An excellent article!

God's Spirit is HOLY. Indeed, the correct expression as you stated is: "The Holy Spirit of God." It is also scriptural: "And grieve not the holy Spirit OF God...." (Ephesians 4:30, KJV).

It would make it simple if the Christian would append "OF GOD" to the expression "HOLY SPIRIT" as it would eliminate the confusion that "the Holy Spirit" is separate from "God." The prepositional phrase "of God" or "of the Lord" is very significant as it is used in the majority of passages that reference "the Spirit."

You provided an excellent explanation that having "a holy spirit" is in reference to the individual Christian. One outside of Christ who puts on Christ in baptism receives both: (1) forgiveness of sins in His blood and (2) the gift of "holy spirit" (purity, cleansing, clear conscience, refreshing). It is the individual Christian's obligation to achieve to live a holy and righteous life.

"The Holy Spirit" is to God; having a "holy spirit" is to the individual Christian. Neither "spirit" is another/separate person.

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Re: Bible Translation?

November 22 2015, 10:51 PM 

Ancient Babylon and Catholics had EXORCISTS on their staff. If the Spirit OF God is not OF but IS God and He lives inside of those claiming "his" guidance, maybe we need to set up a University of Exorcism?

Acts 19:13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had EVIL spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

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Re: ASK AWAY: Question 11 -- Being addressed as 'Pastor' or 'Reverend'

November 22 2015, 10:59 PM 

A pastor is supposed to feed sheep: not entertain goats.

A pastor would never lead sheep close to the sounds of rushing waters.

A pastor as elder is commanded to "teach that which has been taught."

A herald is a kerusso or presbyter: elders had a GO button and went out collecting their own flocks. That is why they had influence over a large area.

A pastor would never steal other people's sheep.

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Donnie Cruz
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ASK AWAY: Question 11 -- Being addressed as 'Pastor' or 'Reverend'

November 22 2015, 10:52 PM 

QUESTION 11 -- Would you be "accepting" or would you be offended if someone or a group addresses you in public or privately as "Reverend Shepherd"?

(I sense that you wouldn't mind being addressed as "Pastor Shepherd" as in the sense that a Baptist minister is addressed as "Pastor." Or, is that not the case?) While you're at it, would you address the "pastor" issue? What is the difference between "Pastor" and "Minister" as noted below?

From: here's what I find:

Husband - Pastor - Minister - Dreamer -
autograph collector & Part of Big Blue
Nation -Well House Church North,
Nashville, TN


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Ken Sublett
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Re: Ask away

November 23 2015, 12:20 PM 

We have noted that A Church of Christ is built upon or Educated by the Prophets and Apostles: both inspired by the Spirit OF Christ.

The Writers left us a memory of Jesus making these prophecies more certain.

The Prophets by the Spirit OF Christ defined the REST then and now both inclusively and exclusively.

We have noted that the direct command and approved examples and historic practice before after the Reformation understood what appears with black text on white paper. There was no "congregational" singing because God provided NO metrical or singable "that which is written for our learning." For goodness sake: why would anyone need a LAW to silence them preventing the ONE PIECE PATTERN of TEACHING?

All of the Logos (regulative principle) words such as LEXIS is the OPPOSITE of ODE and SPEAK gives no wriggle room to add performance music.

Jay and They say that Amos was just condemning a bad mental attitude: However, both Israel and Judah were worshiping the golden calf. At Mount Sinai, Moses was sorely alarmed and noted three reason one should hear MUSIC in the camp:

Ex. 32:18 And he said,
1. It is not the voice of them that shout for mastery,
2. neither is it the voice of them that cry for being overcome:
3. but the noise of them that sing do I hear.

Canto to produce melodious sounds (by the voice or an instrument), to sound, sing, play C. Transf., of instruments, to sound, resound: “pastoris bucina cantat,” III. In the lang. of religion, as v. n. or a., to use enchantments, charms, incantations, to enchant, to charm

The Jews Never repented and God gave them kings in His anger to carry out the Captivity and Death penalty IMPOSED because of musical idolatry.

Both Amos and Stephen in Acts 7 note that God IMPOSED the curse of the sacrificial system where instrumental NOISE was "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter" and as EXORCISM trying to repel the demons or FLIES and attract good spirits. Many Old and New Testament passages show that this was a CURSE but "a" spirit told the progressives that was what God wanted THEM to do. Isn't that spooky that a spirit imposed the same terminal apostasy?

If you repeat the Mount Sinai repudiation of Grace you teach that SPEAKING which is the opposite of ODE really means to ODE or sing instead of SPEAKING, that''s the meaning of a strong delusion.

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Amos 5.23 aufer a me tumultum carminum tuorum et cantica lyrae tuae non audiam

cantĭcum , i, n. cantus. I.Lit., a song in the Roman comedy, sung by one person, and accompanied by music and dancing; a monody, solo:

dēlēnīmentum (delin- ), i, n. delenio,
I.any thing that soothes, charms, or allures, a charm, blandishment, allurement, enticement

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ASK AWAY: Question 12 -- Did you author WHN's 'WHAT WE BELIEVE'?

November 25 2015, 12:15 AM 

QUESTION 12 -- Well House North's website has its own "WHAT WE BELIEVE" page. Did you author it or derive it from another source?

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ASK AWAY: Question 13 -- Well House Church Selecting Its Elders?

November 25 2015, 12:20 AM 

QUESTION 13 -- Does Well House Church plan to select its own elders any time soon? If the majority chooses you to become an elder, will you consider accepting the office?

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ASK AWAY: Question 14 -- Well House North'S Alignment?

November 25 2015, 12:23 AM 

QUESTION 14 --Do you consider Well House North Church as being more affiliated or aligned with the Community Church? Than with the church that bears the name of Christ?

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ASK AWAY: Question 15 -- Prediction: Louisville takes down Kentucky at Rupp Arena?

December 24 2015, 8:53 PM 

QUESTION 15 -- What do you think [from ESPN] of the weekend prediction: "... but the Cardinals just might be the better team right now"?

Do you agree?

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