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Bill
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Re: Ask away

November 2 2015, 12:08 PM 

Dianna, earlier you mentioned that some of your friends do not sing certain hymns because they allegedly teach error. Would you provide some examples? Also, based on your interpretation of Scripture, do you think the hymn "Holy, Holy, Holy" teaches error because it states, "God in three persons, blessed Trinity"?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Psalm 100 and the Pee Wee Complex

November 2 2015, 11:39 AM 

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See Galatians denouncing the emasculated praise howler.

http://www.piney.com/Galatians.5.Music.Witchcraft.html

The NOISE or SOUND which is OUTLAWED for the Synagogue or Church by DIRECT COMMANDS.

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The picture of the Emasculated Males in a church near you. Paul warned you so the FEMINIST have to call Paul a liar.

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Rocnar
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Do You Have A Prayer-Psalm of David Complex?

November 2 2015, 12:46 PM 


Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers


(25) And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises.—Better, praying, they Were singing hymns, the Greek expressing one act rather than two. The act was, we may believe, habitual, and they would not intermit it even in the dungeon, and fastened as they were, so that they could not kneel. The hymn may have been one of the prayer-psalms of David, or possibly one of those, of which Pliny speaks in his letters, and which may well have been in use half a century earlier, in which men offered adoration to Christ as God (Epist. x. 96).

 
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Bill
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Re: Do You Have A Prayer-Psalm of David Complex?

November 2 2015, 1:36 PM 

Interesting commentary, especially the last line: "...in which men offered adoration to Christ as God."

That kinda sounds like they considered Christ to be God.

 
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Ken Sublett
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RECITE A hymn and go out: Jesus did that

November 2 2015, 1:59 PM 

Pliny to Trajan: But they declared their guilt or error was simply this -- on a fixed day they used to meet before dawn and RECITE A hymn among themselves to Christ, as though he were a god. So far from binding themselves by oath to commit any crime, they swore to keep from theft, robbery, adultery, breach of faith, and not to deny any trust money deposited with them when called upon to deliver it. This ceremony over, they used to depart and meet again to take food -- but it was of no special character, and entirely harmless. They also had ceased from this practice after the edict I issued -- by which, in accord with your orders, I forbade all SECRET societies.

There was no SINGING in the assembly as long as Psalms were chanted:

Hymnody developed systematically, however, only after the emperor Constantine legalized Christianity (AD 313); and it flourished earliest in Syria, where the practice was possibly taken over from the singing by Gnostics and Manichaeans of hymns imitating the psalms. The Byzantine Church adopted the practice; in its liturgy, hymns maintain a much more prominent place than in the Latin liturgy; and Byzantine hymnody developed complex types such as the kanon and kontakion (qq.v.; see also Byzantine chant). Saint Ephraem--a 4th-century Mesopotamian deacon, poet, and hymnist--has been called the "father of Christian hymnody." Britannica Online

 
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Rocnar
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On The Run (Pee Wee)

November 2 2015, 8:11 PM 


Ken, go ahead and roll the video. You don't have a hair on your *** !!

 
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Dianna
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Re: On The Run (Pee Wee)

November 3 2015, 7:11 AM 

Rocnar,

Here is a quote from your article: ”While there obviously are some songs in some of the books used by Christian people, that cannot be harmonized with biblical truth, they are far fewer, in my opinion, than some suppose.

This is the point I was making, that if we just use the Psalms, hymns, spiritual songs provided by God, thenthere would not be any error!

 
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Rocnar
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Paul and Silas sang David's Psalms?

November 3 2015, 11:52 AM 



I somewhat agree with you. I'll give you a heads up. There are some people on this site that think some praise Psalms are vile. Just ask the moderators. They also don't believe in Church singing. With that being said, you are about to get a good dose. Just hang on!!

 
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Scripture
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Re: Paul and Silas sang David's Psalms?

November 3 2015, 12:39 PM 

In other words, "Choose your poison."

 
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Rocnar
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Re: Paul and Silas sang David's Psalms?

November 3 2015, 12:55 PM 


Choose YOUR GENDER!

 
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Dianna
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Re: Paul and Silas sang David's Psalms?

November 3 2015, 3:57 PM 

I'm not grasping your comment here! If you are referring to the new definition of a man can be a woman and vice versa, just so long as they love themselves, that's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. What's wrong with these people? I believe they have forgotten to fear their Creator, and love the creature instead!

 
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Rocnar
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Re: Paul and Silas sang David's Psalms?

November 3 2015, 5:48 PM 



Dear Scripture (Ze), please pick a gender so that I may communicate with you using the proper pronouns. Donnie does not want me call you "Ze".

But, I have came to some conclusions about you.

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Ken Sublett
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Re: Paul and Silas sang David's Psalms?

November 3 2015, 6:07 PM 

Philo: Some of Israel's great heroes were shepherds -- Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and David. Both Psalm 23 and Jesus compare God's care to that of a Good Shepherd.

But in the First Century, it seems, shepherds -- specifically, hireling shepherds -- had a rather unsavory reputation. Jeremias cites Rabbinic sources to the effect that

"most of the time they were dishonest and thieving;
they led their herds onto other people's land
and pilfered the produce of the land."

Because they were often months at a time without supervision, they were often accused of stealing some of the increase of the flock. Consequently, the pious were warned not to buy wool, milk, or kids from shepherds on the assumption that it was stolen property.[3]


Atchley etal: We took our youth to hear the best Christian Bands (winterfest) to teach our youth to leave our movement.

Shepherds were not allowed to fulfill a judicial office or be admitted in court as witnesses.[4] A midrash on Psalm 23:2 reads, "There is no more disreputable occupation than that of a shepherd."[5] Philo, a Hellenistic Jewish philosopher of Alexandria (25 BC - 45 AD), wrote about looking after sheep and goats, "Such pursuits are held mean and inglorious."[6]

When Paul warned that ELDERS let the WOLVES into the flock they had two legs: they were also the DOGS Paul excluded from the assembly and along with the liars and religious musicians called "lusted after fruits" will be cast alive into the lake of fire.

Ezek 22:27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves [YELLOW] ravening the prey,
to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.

Epictetus, Works XLIII.
XLII. Instead of herds of oxen, endeavor to assemble flocks of friends about your house.

XLII As a wolf resembles a dog, so much does a flatterer, an adulterer, a parasite, resemble a friend. Take heed, therefore, that instead of guardian dogs, you do not inadvertently admit ravening wolves. [All musicians were also called PARASITES and not allowed to feed on polite society]

A dog or wolf in Paul's writings is a pederast identified in all of the PSALLO PLUCKING history.

II. Kunikos, ho, Cynic, as the followers of the philosopher Antisthenes were called, from the gymnasium ( [Kunosarges] ) where he taught, D.L.6.13; or from their resemblance to dogs in several respect

Wolf

This now archaic term was used in New York's homosexual underworld early in the 20th Century to refer to an adult man who pursued boys as sexual partners. The wolf often identified as heterosexual, and his sexual behavior fit the pattern of Greco-Roman pederasty. This form of same-sex eroticism may have come to New York via Italian immigrants. In many regions of Italy at the time, pederasty was tolerated, or at least not as stigmatized as it is today

 
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Rocnar
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Re: On The Run (Pee Wee)

November 3 2015, 11:55 AM 


Thank God provided us with His Book, The Bible!

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: On The Run (Pee Wee)

November 3 2015, 12:14 PM 

Yes, He gave it to us in Hebrew, Aramaic which YOU cannot read. Early on they provided you with the Septuagint Translation which they say took just 70 days to turn into Greek.

You cannot under a single word without scholars providing dictionaries and lexicons. Because what was bound in a single volume was a library and you probably could not undestand the chronology without lots of human effort.

God bless their souls, none of the THOUGHT LEADERS can still understand the fork in the road because of instrumental-trinitarian idolatry at Mount Sinai. You probably couldn't understand the golden calf without Heredotus and other History-Geography writers.

You thought leaders sow massive discord over the PSALLO word when is is not remotely a MUSIC WORD: it means to pluck or smite a string or hair WITH YOUR FINGERS and never with a plectrum. Yet, Scholars reaching the Highest Level of Incompetency use psallo to PICK a guitar, blow a flute or beat on drums.

Again, with the intention of being boring, the DIVERSITY they teach really says that APT elders would cast out the cunning craftsmen or sophists: performance speakers, singers or instrument players in a presumed religious observation to which Jesus said the Kingdom will NOT come because THEY ARE LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.

Aristotle: Melody Deceives: >"Poets also make use of this in inventing words, as a melody "without strings" or "without the lyre"; for they employ epithets from negations, a course which is approved in proportional metaphors..

The form of diction should be neither metrical nor without rhythm.
If it is metrical, it lacks persuasiveness, for it appears artificial, and at the same time it distracts the hearer's attention, since it sets him on the watch for the recurrence of such and such a cadence..

According to Philo, the gods of the pagans exploit this weakness of men. For the sake of a better effect, and with the intention of more easily cheating their devotes, that they have set their lies to melodies, rhythms and meters.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Hymns are Idols

November 3 2015, 12:00 PM 

New Comments on Page 4.

http://www.piney.com/MuHymnIdol.html

David wanted to AWAKEN his Lyre so he could AWAKEN the Dawn (mother of Lucifer). They stopped singing of the awaking Psalms

Most religious division down through history is on the music word when God uses the word NOISE. Whether teaching Scripture as commanded or can we ADD and TAKE AWAY and just compose our own songs. Whether with one voice or several voices. Whether with instruments or without.

He wants the quiet lyre: they want the booming "Chist of Whistles."

The Disciples-Christians promised (cross my heart) the reed organ only.
The Disciples said that the organ was an AID to the singing like a pitch pipe
They said that IF the organ (only we vow) was used AS worship it would be a SIN.

He wants the blue book: she wants the gold book.
He wants the trinitarian song book: she wants the blessed trinity removed.

He wants it loud with a ROCK beat as now practiced: she wants the solemn hymns.

He wants the NEW STYLE: she wants the OLD styles.

It is a dogmatic truth that you cannot sing in any style or use any song book which does not refute the command to SPEAK the Word (regulative principle) and offend someone. Therefore, Grace gives them the divine permission to OFFEND many at any time or place.

It is a dogmatic truth that recorded history, Bible words defined and modern medical science that singing induces a drug-high proven if it causes you to enthuse. It is abrasive to the mental health (the laded burden) but is deliberately injected by the masses because they know that their small fraction of the world's population is good enough if we baptize more people than the other institutions in the town often ridiculed on TV.

Modern musicologists know that the Churchy Style can induce a high like a "Stage coach" song and was derived from snake handlers, mountain music and Voodoo.

"Among the Scholars" they cannot grasp that SPEAK is the opposite of ODE or Sing: that is why SPEAK is a LOGOS word for education while, if you grasp Paul's list of paralells the ODE and PSALLO are IN the heart and not WITH the heart. Whatever is in MY MIND you cannot hear. That's good because known literature knows that recurring beats or words consumes all of your mental power. We sing because they say there is a LAW OF SINGING: they all use the Psalms but NO ONE sings the Biblical Songs.

 
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Rocnar
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Father Thank You for YOUR Word!

November 3 2015, 12:44 PM 



So this is the new sect of the coC? Church SINGING is evil and should be condemned?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Father Thank You for YOUR Word!

November 3 2015, 1:00 PM 

As ex-Calvinists we sang Metrical Psalms and many still Line Out the Psalms AS WRITTEN.

That was before Alexander Campbell had a song book (no notes) to sell.

 
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Bill
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Re: Father Thank You for YOUR Word!

November 3 2015, 2:37 PM 

Does that mean everyone is going to hell who sings hymns instead of saying or reciting them? Is there a New Testament passage that explicitly condemns the singing of hymns and promises damnation to those who sing them? That's what should be the guiding force here.

 
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Re: Father Thank You for YOUR Word!

November 3 2015, 3:35 PM 

Rocnar thinks that because Dianna is female that she should do all the cooking.

Not expected from such a broad-minded person. happy.gif

 
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