John Mark Hicks Post Matt Dabbs Unity of the SpiritDecember 17 2015 at 2:23 PM
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John Mark Hicks pattern for the Lord's Supper:
Several features characterize the fellowship meals of Israel. First, it is a moment of communion between God and his people. God eats with his people as the fat is burned to him.
God is present at this meal. It is eaten before the Lord as if God SITS at the table with the worshipper. "a time for sharing, prayer and conversation about what God has done for us... (p. 188).
He calls it a "Jubilee festival" (p. 63).
He would have it observed with "resounding jubilation or enthusiastic outbursts" (p. 97).
The feast is always characterized by joy and gratitude. Without exception, the fellowship offering is a celebratory, festive occasion. It is a time of thanksgiving, dedication and renewal.
Patrick Mead in Christian ChronicleTo Hicks, the Lord’s Supper (or, more commonly in his writings, “the Table”) is not an isolated event, but a continuation of the table ministry of Jesus, which itself was a continuation of the meals Israel ate in the desert, the tabernacle and the temple.
Hicks reveals this pattern of God coming into our presence as we eat with each other throughout the first five books of the Old Testament, slowly building his case with Scripture in a way that most readers will find both fascinating and easy to follow. By the time he arrives at the Table we celebrate each week, we have seen Jesus supplying bread to thousands of the common people — the fallen, rejected and lonely — as well as those who are trying to live righteous lives. Hicks is going for nothing less than a transformational view of the Table.
In Hicks’ usage, sacraments are moments of encounter with God, Christ, the Spirit, each other, the faithful who have gone before us and with our future reality. They are a spiritual reality that breaks into our present time and place and, by this in-breaking, they change and challenge us.
Hicks defines sacrament as “a human WITNESS to the grace of God as well as a human pledge of allegiance to the story of God in Jesus.” In addition to the Lord’s Supper and baptism, Hicks also believes that the gathering of the Lord’s people is a sacrament.
All of Scripture defines Baptism is the INSTRUMENTAL MEANS to request A holy spirit or A good conscience.
Jesus said that those who BELIEVE (means trust or comply) and are baptized SHALL BE saved.
Those who believe not are APISTOS which means they will not comply: they shall be damned.
Peter said that baptism was FOR the remisision of sins and receiving A holy spirit (ours) so we can read the text.
Peter says that BAPTISM SAVED because this is the commanded way to "obey the gospel."
The Lord's Supper is ONLY showing forth or preaching the DEATH of Jesus: this then silences both male and female so that "all might be saved or SAFE and come to a knowledge of the Truth."
To Hicks, the Lord’s Supper (or, more commonly in his writings, “the Table”) is not an isolated event, but a continuation of the table ministry of Jesus, which itself was a continuation of the meals Israel ate in the desert, the tabernacle and the temple.
They MISSED where Israel sat down to EAT and rose up to PLAY in instrumental-trinitarian idolatry. This was an offense beyond redemption and God imposed the Law BECAUSE OF TRANSGRESSION. They do not know that God's Spirit, the Spirit OF Christ speaks "holy scripture" in the Prophets: God makes spiritual covenants with the "laos" and not with Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites (Missed Genesis 49). Christ says that God did NOT command the king, kingdom, temple, priests, animal slaughter. It is beyond redemption to be ignorant of the TEXT and preach such an ungodly view of the ONE GOD THE FATHER who IS Jehovah. God's Little flock defined as the Church of Christ (the Rock) were quarantined from the Babylonianism God imposed upon Israel. They did not hold "worship services" for any purpose but to REST, Read and Rehearse the Word.
Hicks reveals this PATTERN of God coming into our presence as we eat with each other throughout the first five books of the Old Testament, slowly building his case with Scripture in a way that most readers will find both fascinating and easy to follow. By the time he arrives at the Table we celebrate each week, we have seen Jesus supplying bread to thousands of the common people — the fallen, rejected and lonely — as well as those who are trying to live righteous lives. Hicks is going for nothing less than a transformational view of the Table.
The people gathered for the "FISHES AND BREAD." THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BREAD OF LIFE.
As our church looks for its place in the LARGER believing community, Hicks calls us to be the PLACE where the sacraments are offered and the sacred lived out.
The Larger Community is the World, Kosmos or the Ecumenical: A Church of Christ is the SECT that is called the WAY: it is narrow and foolish theologians probably cannot even stumble into it.
In Amos 8 there was singing in the temple which became HOWLING because the clergy STARVED the people for hunger and thirst for the Word..
In Isaiah 5 the same wine, women and song STARVED the people for Lack of the Word.
Isaiah 55 OUTLAWS those who SELL the free water of the WORD.
Hicks defines sacrament as “a human witness to the grace of God as well as a human pledge of allegiance to the story of God in Jesus.” In addition to the Lord’s Supper and baptism, Hicks also believes that the gathering of the Lord’s people is a sacrament.
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Hicks From CM Homepage
|December 17 2015, 5:42 PM |
The Commercial Appeal states, “Cordova Community Church describes itself as a self-governing, Bible-believing and teaching church, loosely affiliated with the church of Christ.”8 This work is the result of efforts by John Mark Hicks, professor at Harding Graduate School of Religion, and Gary Ealy, a former minister at Brownsville Road and Highland Street in Memphis. They are described in the article as “co-founders.”9
We can only wonder how these brethren can be “loosely affiliated with the church of Christ” and remain true to the teachings of Christ? Expressions of concern are also rendered regarding Harding Academy and Harding Graduate School’s ties to the community church. Both of these institutions were founded by brethren and continue to garner support from individual members and congregations. Do these two institutions deem themselves “loosely affiliated with the church of Christ”? Will the leaders of these two institutions please acknowledge to faithful brethren where their allegiance lies? For the record, Ralph Lawrence, Chairman of the Board of Directors at Harding Academy stated in a letter addressed to Aaron C. Ivey, December 14, 1998, “At this time, we do not know anything they are doing that is not consistent with the teachings of the Bible.”10 .
Gary Ealy and John Mark Hicks published “A Theological And Strategic Statement For A New Church Planting,” October 5, 1997, outlining their objectives and mission. The list the goals of the Cordova Community Church as follows:
(1) Evangelism of the 1955-1982 generation in the Bear Creek Basin.
(2) Contemporary, Dynamic Worship Assemblies.
(3) Cell Church Structure For Maturing Christians.
(4) Strengthening Christian Families.
(5) Use Of Resources for the Poor and Disadvantaged in Memphis.
(6) Promotion of New Church Plants in Memphis/Shelby County.
Gary Ealy states, “We think a contemporary, informal worship style, and our focus on relationship building will probably attract more of the younger generation.”12 Question, where in God’s word do we find authority to allow the world to dictate what is appealing in worship” (John 4:24; Rom. 12:1-2; Col. 3:17)?
Secondly, they will be employing the “Cell Church Strategy.” [BLUEPRINT-PATTERN] Brethren Ealy and Hicks indicate there are “three levels” of the cell church strategy [PATTERN]. Patsy Fralich Keith writes in The Commercial Appeal concerning the cell group strategy employed by the Cordova Community Church. She records,
The main goal is, simply, to continue with the cell group ministry, expanding to include more groups as needed. The church presently has several house churches, or cell groups, meeting in Cordova, one in the Mt. Pisgah area, one in Collierville and one in East Memphis. Plans include a house church in Bartlett.
Steve Dye, the “new minister” at Cordova Community Church, states, “This method of doing church is the best way to reach people with the good news of God.” Keith also writes, “The ministry team also envisions planting other churches using the same FORMAT [blueprint] around the city.” The PATTERN [blueprint] being employed regarding “cell groups” is not in the Bible, rather it is merely the imitation of what Rick Warren suggests in his book, The Purpose Driven Church. He is the community churches “master teacher.” Note also the intent of these brethren to permeate the city of Memphis with their community church format.
The “Theological And Strategic Statement For A New Church Planting” raises other questions worth of consideration. Number one, they state,
God has REVEALED his pattern for his people in Scripture. This PATTERN is theological and christological in character. It is not a blueprint of specific details but a call to image God in this world through IMITATING the life and ministry of Jesus Christ as the people of God.
Fine: please abandon your pillow and take up your CROSS. Paul defined that as KNOWING CHRIST and not just PREACHING JESUS. Bless their hearts, they use ALL of the old DETAILS and add three or four more pieces to their PARADIGM: they do not know that a paradigm is a PATTERN.
They never read that in prophecy, in the preaching of Jesus and that of the apostles was the gospel OF THE KINGDOM or the Good News of the Assembly (school of Christ) which abandons the laded burdens (songs, acting, taxes) and goes OUTSIDE to suffer reproaches and LEARN OF ME. "ME" draws a CENI circle based on teaching what HE commanded to be taught.
Lactantius Refuting the confiscated schools and apostates
|December 17 2015, 8:30 PM |
Why do you suppose that all of the horrors of worldly or Biblical Proportions and the "good" people sit with folded hands? That marks those OF the World or ecumenical even if they pretend that they are part of the little flock (SECT called the narrow way) because they are OF the World and Jesus does not pray for them: He even teaches in a style which they cannot grasp. Jesus said that God HIDES from the wise or sophists: rhetoricians, doctors of the law, singers, instrument players or actors. Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: in Isaiah 29 and Ezekiel 33 he named performance preachers, singers or instrument players. This was Christ's MARK of those never intending to either teach or obey the Word. And the WORLD insists that the elders SET A KING OVER THEM so they can worship like the NATIONS.
Micah 2:1 WOE to them that devise iniquity, and work evil upon their beds when the morning is light, they practise it, because it is in the power of their hand.
Micah 2:2 And they covet fields, and take them by violence; and houses, and take them away: so they oppress a man and his house, even a man and his heritage.
Mic. 2:10 Arise ye, and depart; for this is NOT your REST: because it is polluted, it shall destroy you, even with a sore destruction.
Mic. 2:11 If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie, saying, I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of strong drink; he shall even be the prophet of this people.
The BEAST has two legs: it means a new, sudden style of music and Satyric Drama: the little perverted PAN.
Jesus died to give us REST FROM the theologians selling CORRUPTED Word==selling learning at retail
Lactantius speaks for all historic scholars who understand that God did not command what Hicks, Atchley etal are tell you that a SPIRIT told them to use the Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned levites as their PATTERN. While you are eating the stolen and sacrificed meat remember
Beelzebub: The name is commonly translated "the lord of the flies", and the god is supposed to be so called either because as a sun god he brings the flies
In the Babylonian epic of the deluge, "the gods gather over the sacrificer like flies"
The flies HOOVERED around the sacrificed MEAT and BLOOD and were considered demons the loud noise (never music) was supposed to dispel. When the temple was dedicated with all of those animals the people prayed OUTSIDE the gates and God answered FROM HEAVEN: guess He doesn't attend Hick's Pot Luck.
Lactantius part 2
|December 18 2015, 4:42 PM |
Biblical Proportions happens when those HIRED as Bible Scholars deliberately distort the text for power and profit. This is one of those times when people lie and say that if I had been there I would have stood up or spoken up. Because those not OF the World (ecumenical) are such a tiny "little flock" Jesus promised would be despised and hated one can only conclude that to be the reason for NOT imitating Jesus proven to be a SON by speaking ONLY what God the Father breathed (spirit) into Him as God did the prophets.
A church is built upon or educated by the Prophets and Apostles as the ONLY instructions for a true Assembly or School of Christ.
Refuting those who want to join with God in feasting, speaking, singing, clapping, shouting, hugging and kissing the Church Fathers refuted them simply by Cutting And Pasting what they called the APOSTOLIC teaching. There is NOT historic scholar who were so deluded that they believed that God's abandonment of the Jews to Babylonianism contained a single thing as a pattern for the School of Christ which began in the wilderness. By building on the CENI they mean to be APOSTOLIC of the prophets and apostles.
The prophets by the Spirit OF Christ warns against the "Lying pen of the Scribes" especially as they rested on the temple and its meat and blood thirst because Acts 7 warns that God abandoned them at Mount Sinai because of the same EATING and INSTRUMENTAL idolaty.
Patrick Mead-Christian Chronicles--Hicks
|December 18 2015, 8:57 PM |
If a scholar feeds the little ones they will eat it up and spit it our all over the internet and church councils dispensing the EVOLVING of Scriptures to fit today's culture. They confess to using theology but as pretense reference Bible events to add a bit of spice to, in Paul's imagery, to fool the foolish. Using the Old Testament instance of EATING as a PATTERN for simply showing forth or confessing the DEATH of Jesus is consistent with the pagan practice of "eating and drinking the gods" whom they had roasted literally as human kings claiming to be the agent of the gods. God never commanded animal sacrifices as the Spirit OF Christ in the prophets corrects the "Lying pen of the Scribes" keeping the court records of a God-abandoned Israel and Judah on their way to captivity and death BECAUSE they sat down to EAT and rose up to PLAY as there prayer to recover their old food in Egypt.
John Mark Hicks and LU Trinity
|April 18 2016, 11:25 AM |
Speaking of narrative theology
|April 18 2016, 5:49 PM |
He will be delivered over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him and spit on him; (Luke 18:32 NIV)
For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: (Luke 18:32 KJV)
Are these two verses speaking of Jesus suffering through a mock trial (an unjust trial). Or was Jesus being mocked (As in ridiculed?)
Re: John Mark Hicks: Trinitarian Patternist
|April 18 2016, 8:14 PM |
The word MOCK or PLAY has the same meaning as at Mount Sinai when they "Rose up to play." The word SPORT also carries sexual meaning.
Moses recognized three meanings of the "noise." They had been defeated, they were celebrating victory or IT IS THE SOUND OF SINGING that I hear.
The godly people were quarantined to the assembly or church on the SABBATH day. The same alarm or triumph over was outlawed defined as "vocal or instrumental rejoicing or rhetoric."
Psalm 41 prophesied that "Judas" would try to spook Jesus with this ALARM. The Judas Bag or box identified him as a thief: it was a box for containing the mouthpieces or reeds for a WIND INSTRUMENT. We have pictures.
Mark 10 also warns about the MOCKING which can be understood from prophecy and the meaning of the languages. We also have proof from the practice of escorting people to the Jewish holocaust of infants or goats.
While these words carry several meanings it is wise to look at ALL of the meanings in the REAL literature: if they exclude one they exclude all when people claim that they are using music to "lead you into the presence of God." Music marked leading people into the presence of Moloch and Christ in Isaiah 30 says that the wind, string and percussion instruments (attributed to Lucifer or Zoe) will MARK God driving His enemies into HELL. The same in Revelation is CASTING THEM ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.
Music is derived and always used in animal or human sacrifices derived from mystery and intends to MAKE THE LAMBS DUMB BEFORE THE SLAUGHTER.
Re: John Mark Hicks: Trinitarian Patternist
|April 18 2016, 10:32 PM |
Writers and Artist may or may not be Bible Scholars. Therefore, when they wish to depict a Bible event they go to "God's Narrative" hidden from the wise or sophists: speakers for hire, singers or instrument players says Jesus of the Jewish Clergy.
Most Bible narratives have a pagan or secular counterpart. Anyone able to read the Bible will never miss the thesis-antithesis
SPEAK that which is written for our LEARNING.
But, sing and pluck IN THE HEART which means keep it silent if you understand the Teacher-Student image.
Proven by the fact that the LOGOS speak words such as LEXIS is the opposite of ODE or sing.
Many of the warnings in the Scriptures are pictured on VESSELS OF CLAY so we have many PICTURES of the Judas Bag ALWAYS attached to the flute case.
One of my "investments with the Lord" David Young God commanded Instrumental Music: "This is not a set of rituals but Psalm 33 invites us to a rich EXPERIENCE with God "Praise God with the harp, shout for joy, INVITATION to give everything I have." Psalm 150 is part of the hymnbook of the church: He concludes that everything that has BREATH including the musical instruments"
BUT LEGALISM REFUTES NOTHING TO THE CROSS I BRING. This is a clear statement of the well-defined meaning of LEGALISM.
IT CONTRADICTS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST: Hab. 2:20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.
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Matt Dabbs, Jay Guin, John Mark Hicks
|April 22 2016, 12:08 PM |
The Mothers of All Sowers of Discord want UNITY OF THE SPIRIT meaning that YOU have to take the Mark of the Beast WHICH is "A new style of music and Satyric (cappella) Drama.
Now that we have a Lady in the house I will refrain from posting the image of the Satyrs which persona is well documented by the Musical Worship Teams self-exhibiting themselves for HIRE.
|April 22 2016, 3:12 PM |
Is having separate classroom instruction for the youth a bad idea? This seems to be where all the problems in the church come from. The youth are corrupted away from the simple message in the Words of God in the prophets and apostles.
Ephesians 2:19-20 (KJV)
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;  And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone ;
|April 22 2016, 4:09 PM |
When the Jubilee was a tooting their boast was that they would have to do an end-run around the older people.
Many now boast of introducing things like music and irreverence in the youth class. Of Winterfest etc We took your youth to hear the best "christian" bands: we taught your youth to leave YOUR MOVEMENT.
To a question, he responds,
"You are going to find a lot of a cappella churches that are gonna' start saying Sunday morning we are going to be a cappella, but after that, we are going to let a lot of freedom reign, which is pretty much what we do at Richland Hills.
You walk into our youth center Sunday morning or Wednesday night: and I'm telling you; Christian rock an' roll is just blasting" (p. 9).
Rick Atchley following Chris Seidman and Max Lucado was one of the first. They leaped from a boasted 6400 to about 3500 after Rick (the leader) violated his solemn oath.
I heard a preacher on a recent CD saying that "we are going to change the church" and of the youth "we are going to move some barriers."
The Disciples-Christian churches began introducing music in the Sunday School program and tried to force it on everyone. A 2 year old can understand the WORD when you teach it.
Remember that Jesus as HOLY SPIRIT told Paul that APT elders will eject the cunning craftsmen or sophists: speakers, singers and instrument players. If you are tempted to think that the new spawn of preachers are just terminally ignorant, Jesus warned you that THEY ARE LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.
They are LYING because they pervert the Word
They are LYING because in Scripture and in all warrior classes, loud instruments were used to SET AMBUSH. We live within what Jesus and Paul called a VIPER RACE. They are natives OF THIS WORLD and they preach a WORLD VIEW and call it Christians. Those who HEAR the Word gladly and obey are not OF this world: Jesus came to seek and collect a Little Flock.
Liars and "dogs" and Sorcerers: speakers, singers, instrument players are said to HAVE deceived the Old World once. This present heaven and earth is RESERVED FOR FIRE and they CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.
John Mark Hicks New Wineskins Unity Part A
|April 23 2016, 4:51 PM |
The New Wineskins concept is in fact defined when the Jews who believed that the Dionysus-Bacchus figure would be their anticipated Messiah. The wrath or orgy or initiation was into the always-gay priesthood
1Ti 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without WRATH and DOUBTING
All people can pray but that does not mean "lead prayer." We do our praying by outself: the men must have holy hands to turn up toward God and the women must conduct themselves as godly women.
Wrath is ORGE meaning ORGY: music and all of the MADNESS Paul speaks about in 1 Cor 14.
Strabo Geography 10.3.15
[10.3.15] They invented names appropriate to the flute, and to
the noises made by castanets, cymbals, and drums,
and to their acclamations and shouts of "ev-ah," and stampings of the feet;
and they also invented some of the names by which to designate the [homosexual, emasculated]
ministers, choral dancers, and attendants upon the sacred rites,
I mean "Cabeiri" and "Corybantes" and "Pans" and "Satyri" and "Tityri,"
and they called the god "Bacchus," and Rhea [Eve] "Cybele" or "Cybebe" or "Dindymene" according to the places where she was worshipped. Sabazius also belongs to the Phrygian group and in a way is the child of the Mother,, since he too transmitted the rites of Dionysus.
John Mark Hicks in the Wineskins.org preaching UNITY when it was Purpose Driven to sow discord by trying to RESTRUCTURE all congregation into the Instrumental Sectarian Party.
I suggest five (yes, count them, five) modes of visible unity that give expression to the underlying unity of the Spirit among believers. These practices not only exhibit the unity of the Spirit but are also means by which the Spirit dynamically works among believers for unity. The Spirit acts through them to manifest the unity the Spirit has already achieved. At the same time these practices are also transformative as they not only move us into a deeper experience and recognition of that unity but they also transform us as exhibits of that unity.
We have noted that the only personified SPIRIT in a god sense was-is Apollon-Abaddon. He is the Leader or "spirit" of the Muses, Locusts or his "worship team." The muses were "lusted after fruits" (Rev 18) or known as as dirty adulteresses and SHEPHERDESSES over their flock. In Revelation 18 they are called SORCERERS a term which identifies the Original Babylon Mother of Harlots as mother of the always-pagan trinities.
1. John Mark Hicks says that the Spirit is A member of the family of three "centers of consciousness."
2. OF is a preposition in case you missed the unity OF the Spirit is the unity which belongs to the Spirit person.
3. That would make no sense and is consistent with "theology" which has a thousand cuts to make the Breath OF God which inspired the text sound dumb.
4. That is the only way to justify hiring one's body out to explain God Who did not profit from our "postmodern" evolved culture.
5. The Spirit OF Christ in Isaiah 55 commanded the "laity" not to PAY for the free water of the Word.
6. In Isaiah 58 the Spirit OF Christ (God's breath) outlawed seeking our own pleasure or SPEAKING our own words. Of those who do not SPEAK the Word Christ says THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.
From the wilderness onward the Assembly was not called nor performed by "vocal or instrumental rejoicing or rhetoric". The only purpose for calling the godly out of their REST was to attend SCHOOL by hearing the Word of God. The assembly has a ONE-PIECE PATTERN.
The GOSPEL is the POWER to unity
|April 23 2016, 9:01 PM |
LU invented a unique form of trinity defined as tritheism or polytheism. There is no discoverable record of anyone making such a suggestion before H. Leo Boles in 1938 at FHU and published by the GA in 1942 and the thesis of their Bible Study material throughout the SE.
Making this the "dispensation of the Holy Spirit" does not blush in making their imagined The Holy Spirit God responsible for doing what God the Father and Jesus Christ Who delivered His Word, Logos or regulative principle were unable to do.
Rubel Shelly has a joke about the father person and the holy spirit person tricking little ignorant into raising his hand and volunteering to go die. You know how kids are: always raising their hands. Blasphemy comes easy for the Angels of Blight.
John Mark Hicks claims that this The Holy Spirit person must act directly to make unity possible. Their personified spirit, Apollon-Abaddon, makes unity depend on taking the mark of the Beast defined as A New Style of Drama and Satyric (cappella) Drama UNLEASHED from the Pit as the Leader of the Muses or Sorcerers.
If you want to buy and sell at what Ezekiel called 'workshops of evil' where prophets steal words one from another you MUST take the mark.
Debunking Scripture as supplying all that applies to life and godliness and claiming a DIRECT MESSAGE from their imagined spirit person lets them go postmodern AND using narrative theology WRITE themselves in as a greater than Moses or even a greater than Jesus doing MORE works.
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