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Rocky
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Church Singing

January 16 2016, 4:19 PM 


Ken said,

The Bible mentions SPEAKING in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs as well as singing and making melody in the heart, implying that speaking and singing are proper; CM ignores the singing (implying that it's wrong or improper) and focuses on the speaking.

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Thanks Ken, it is merely an opinion on your part and CM. I noticed you left the Church of Christ out of the discussion. Church Singing is safe! I'm done.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Church Singing

January 16 2016, 4:30 PM 

SPEAKING is something you do with your VOICE as you speak SPIRIT or the WORD OF CHRIST.

Lexis and all SPEAK words are OPPOSITE to Ode.
Psallo never in recorded history speaks of musical melody but PLUCKING a string.
Singing IN the heart is a PLACE: you sing and meditate (melete not Melos) IN the mind as the ONLY place we humanoid have to MEDITATE or think which is abolutely necessary for LEARNING.

All musical terms derive from mystery meaning to MAKE THE LAMBS DUMB BEFORE THE SLAUGHTER.

If you SPEAK that which is written for our learning why would an APT elder want to provide backup music producing decibel poisoning and birth defects at the same TIME?

History provides lots of evidence that musicians intended to HURT people and tell them that the FEELINGS were a spirit or god which THEY brought to you and YOU must pay them for doing physical and psychological damage and OFFENDING so many people that the masses will ALWAYS show up in your Venue for Entertainment Disguised as emppty pews.

 
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Bill
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Re: Church Singing

January 16 2016, 5:14 PM 

Whatever the subject, I learned a long time ago to ignore Ken's posts, because they're so convoluted and just plain crazy. happy.gif

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Church Singing

January 16 2016, 4:43 PM 

Church is a word derived from Circe or Kirke the holy whore buried on an Island John could see from Patmos.

All of the Scriptures reveal (for those who define words) prove that MAKING noise (God's word) in religious settings is rising up to PLAY or challenging God to a singing contest or even dare and come and do battle as WE intend to return to Egypt for the good food and water.

God as the Spirit OF Christ defined the Church of Christ (the Rock) both inclusively and exclusively from the wilderness and never changed its ONE PIECE PATTERN as a School of the Word. Get wise, God doesn't need anything you have to offer out of your own mind.:

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Ken Sublett
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Re: Church Singing

January 16 2016, 4:53 PM 

Agreeing with recorded history including the Bible about men who do their thingy pretending-for-pay to gain control of a god: for thst, you hire him/her full time like the historic Catholic churches to make certain that you held onto god 24/7. Mega churches follow the same pattern and even send university teachers off to monasteries to get spiritually connected.

"In this fashion evey common tribal interest--the recurrence of the seasons, the increase of the food supply, successful hunting--was likely to become embodied in some regularly repeated ceremony, which usually included group dancing, singing, and feasting.

Besides enabling men to express, and thereby to allay, anger and anxiety, such ceremonies also promoted tribal unity and strengthened the loyalty of the individual to tribal traditions,

for the emotional excitement they aroused had the effect of breaking down the barriers between individuals
and thus fusing all tribesmen into a collective whole. Meanwhile, whole systems of magical devices were gradually elaborated." (Parkes, p. 29)

"Awed by the mysteries of his own spirit no less than by those of nature, primitive man was likely to attribute to divine influence any abnormal emotional state, whether above or below the usual level. Medicine men customarily went into states of trance in which they were believed to be in communication with the gods, and many tribes supposed lunatics and sexual deviants to be divinely possessed.

'Certain members of a tribe, marked out either by unusual skills or by some emotional abnormality, ususally became particularly adept at these operations, and gradually assumed specialized functions. Released from the duty of hunting, and concentrating on the practice of magic, the shaman, sorcerer, or medicine man was the world's first professional." (H. Bamfort Parkes, Of Gods and Men, p. 29).


The watching world and even your flock are NOT impressed and attend only because of FEAR induced by the nobility.

 
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Rocky
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Church Singing and IM

January 16 2016, 5:02 PM 


Ken said,

The Bible mentions SPEAKING in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs as well as singing and making melody in the heart, implying that speaking and singing are proper; CM ignores the singing (implying that it's wrong or improper) and focuses on the speaking.

*************

Thanks Ken, it is merely an opinion on your part and CM. I noticed you left the Church of Christ out of the discussion. Church Singing is safe! I'm done.

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Oh, almost forgot, you need to ignore IM as well. It is an opinion as well. It's all good!

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Ken Sublett
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Re: Church Singing and IM

January 16 2016, 7:09 PM 

I post recorded facts: no human gets their private opinion about Scripture. And if Scripture is not for you then you cannot be a Christian or DISCIPLE of Christ.

I Repeat:

SPEAKING is something you do with your VOICE as you speak SPIRIT or the WORD OF CHRIST.

Lexis and all SPEAK words are OPPOSITE to Ode.
Psallo never in recorded history speaks of musical melody but PLUCKING a string.
Singing IN the heart is a PLACE: you sing and meditate (melete not Melos) IN the mind as the ONLY place we humanoid have to MEDITATE or think which is abolutely necessary for LEARNING.

All musical terms derive from mystery meaning to MAKE THE LAMBS DUMB BEFORE THE SLAUGHTER.

If you SPEAK that which is written for our learning why would an APT elder want to provide backup music producing decibel poisoning and birth defects at the same TIME?

History provides lots of evidence that musicians intended to HURT people and tell them that the FEELINGS were a spirit or god which THEY brought to you and YOU must pay them for doing physical and psychological damage and OFFENDING so many people that the masses will ALWAYS show up in your Venue for Entertainment Disguised as emppty pews.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Rocky: that is exactly what God WANTS you and yours to believe.

January 16 2016, 5:20 PM 

NO TURNING BACK, NO TURNING BACK: I learned that from The Book of Enoch written by Bible-literate Jews. You are not through since forever and forever means a very long time. That's not an ethics problem: Jesus says that they were--just now--unleashed from the smokey pit for a short LAST DITCH KAIROS TIME.

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Ask any of the last spawn of theologians and THEY will tell you that THERE IS NO LAW WHICH SAYS 'THOU SHALT NOT MOCK JESUS' when the command is to show forth or PREACH the Death of Jesus. This is enough to sit down and shut the mouth of any one OF THIS WORLD ORDER

As one of my last investments, maybe your "worship service" (to which the kingdom will not come) will be a spectacle of SHOCK AND AWE just like Mount Sinai which was a sin beyond redemption: we just have to turn you over to BABYLONIANISM and the MOTHERS now ruling the universities.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Rocky: that is exactly what God WANTS you and yours to believe.

January 16 2016, 7:14 PM 

Despising the Word is despising God and His Spirit. The latin for despise is BLASPHEMY.

In Jeremiah 23 if you say that God said or authorized something
And God did not but just the opposite
Then you despise God and are guilty of blasphemy.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Was The Spirit OF Christ and Paul really ignorant?

January 16 2016, 7:29 PM 

Spiritual Dislexia has no cure.

Paul
SPEAK one to another with "that which is written for our learning" (Rom 15)
Ode and Psallo IN the heart or spirit as a PLACE..

ROCKY and fellow travellers:

SING to one another with Psalms, Hymns, Spiritual songs (all Scripture)
SING and make melody (pluck) UPON a harp.

This accused the Spirit OF Christ with being ignorant and didn't know how to say:

Making melody WITH a harp

But, Simple Simon would know that you use compound words and would have used
PSALMODIA

If you look at most of Paul's Passages you will see that the second part explains:

Eph. 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those
..... things which are done of them in secret.
Eph. 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light:
.....for [what I mean is] whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
Eph. 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest,
.....and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Eph. 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly,
.....not as fools, but as wise,
Eph. 5:16 Redeeming the time,
.....because the days are evil.


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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Church Singing

January 16 2016, 8:43 PM 

This is in response to Bill's narrative (see preceding page) regarding the "CM Bible."

Sounds like Bill's Bible is the Trinity Creed. He's got all the Trinity verbiage memorized without question. He needs the real Bible and learn the hundreds of passages that negate the man-made Trinity doctrine -- all of Bill's and Trinitarian premises that the Holy Scripture has disproven.

God's followers in the Old Testament dispensation had it right -- only one God the Father -- as they were UNEXPOSED to the Trinity Dogma (man's speculation): God the Holy Ghost and God the Son. Neither notion is mentioned in the Old Testament. Actually not in the New Testament, either.

Indeed, innocence (on the part of God's O.T. followers) is bliss!!! They heard nothing of:

(1) The Holy Spirit of God is God [man's creative imagination]
(2) The Son of God is God [man's creative imagination]

 
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Bill
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Re: Church Singing

January 16 2016, 11:13 PM 

Rocky mentioned that Donnie and Ken need to find a "Bible" they can accept. That kind of "Bible" would be:

--one that doesn't mention Father, Son, and Holy Ghost in the same sentence.

--one that explicitly says "Jesus is not God."

--one that explicitly says "Jesus is not the Word."

--one that explicitly says "Jesus is not eternal."

--one that explicitly says "He who uses any kind of music in worship (vocal or instrumental) jeopardizes his soul."

--one that explicitly says "He who believes in the Trinity jeopardizes his soul."

--one that explicitly says "He who believes that Jesus is God jeopardizes his soul."

--one that explicitly says "The Lord our God is TWO separate and individual Lords."

--one that explicitly says "God and Jesus are the Binity, completely separate and individual."

--one that explicitly says "The Holy Spirit OF God belongs only to God but not to Jesus."

--one that explicitly says "God as the Word was not made flesh as Jesus."

--one that explicitly says "Jesus is not Emmanuel, is not God with us."

--one that explicitly says "The child born of a virgin is not the Wonderful Counsellor, is not the Mighty God, is not the everlating Father, is not the Prince of Peace."

--one that explicitly says "I and my Father are two completely separate individuals."

--one that explicitly says "He who has seen me has not seen the Father."

Since Donnie and Ken want a "Bible" espousing that kind of bizarre theology, we need to take whatever they post here with quite a bit of salt.


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Don't hijack this thread about "church singing." There are active threads that discuss the validity of your Trinity dogma with several yet unanswered questions.


    
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Bill
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Re: Church Singing

January 17 2016, 9:54 AM 

Don't mention "hijacking" when YOU "control" the posts that appear here. If YOU approve a post, then YOU approve the alleged "hijacking." happy.gif


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Of course, I can mention "hijacking."

The post was approved to show an example of "hijacking." Editing out the message or deleting the post along with all the responses to it is still an option.




    
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Bill
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Re: Church Singing

January 17 2016, 6:05 PM 

Yes, you can delete the post, but when YOU have already approved a post, then YOU turn around crying, squawking, and moaning that what YOU have approved is "hijacking," it makes YOU look like a weak moderator. happy.gif

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Church Singing

January 17 2016, 3:01 PM 

Now you know why they wouldn't let Doc operate on dead bodies?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Church Singing

January 17 2016, 4:07 PM 

Not to respond to Bill who cannot read but to debunk his and others' handicap imposed by God because they despise the Word or GOD'S REGULATIVE PRINCIPLE which is not a person.

Rocky mentioned that Donnie and Ken need to find a "Bible" they can accept. That kind of "Bible" would be:--one that doesn't mention Father, Son, and Holy Ghost in the same sentence.

Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


The other 'triad' says: Gal. 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Name IS SINGULAR and not even fishermen, the Bible and most of history were so dim that they call Peter etal liars for saying:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost


Doc and all of the "scholars" have no trouble twisting one verse SO THAT they can try to HIDE the truth: that is the mark of the Scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites named as speakers for hire, singers, instrument players and their AUDIENCE.

We have noted that the NAME of Jesus would be CALLED after the Name of His Father. Jesus always says that He is the SON which says--to literates--that He is not the FATHER.

The Spiritual David would be Jesus of Nazareth establishing the ANTITHESIS to a visible-audible kingdom.

Mark 11:10 Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the NAME of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.


David was King but not God: Jesus comes in the NAME of David but in the NAME of the Lord. You call God an idiot to say that He did not have the ability to say that Jesus IS GOD INCARNATED. If Jesus says that He is the SON of the FATHER then to all literates Jesus says "I am NOT the Father." He repeats that over and over just to prove that God HIDES from the wise, sophists meaning speakers, singersor instrument players.

You missed grammar grade 6 if you cannot READ that He COMES (prepositional phrase) the NAME of the Lord: Paul was sent IN THE NAME of the Lord but He was not the Lord.

Luke 1:59 And it came to pass, that on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child;
and they called him Zacharias, after the NAME of his father.


He was NOT Zacharias we repeat for all but Bill who loves to Fight Against God

Bill and the massed multitudes CANNOT resist making that TRUMP the direct contradiction by Jesus and everyone else.

Matt. 11:27 All things are delivered unto me OF my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.


The father BREATHED (spirit) into the MAN Jesus and therefore delivered the WORD: Jesus did not include a PERSON as the mediating breath because that would make Him a fool. Jesus didn't slight the Spirit because the BREATH of God is what INspirits or inspires. Jesus was no fool.

Matt. 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the GLORY of his Father with his angels;
.....and then he shall reward every man according to his WORKS..
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and SHALL BE CALLED the Son of the Highest:
.....and the LORD GOD shall give unto him the throne of his father David:


CHILDREN bear the NAME of their father but children are NOT their father.

There is no SPIRIT involved because God gave Jesus the promise of the Holy Spirit as the Mind and Breath of God and HE came at Pentecost and "Poured out what you see (fire) and Hear (wind or breath). The NAME of the Holy Spirit Comforter is Jesus Christ the Righteous. There is no ROOM on the Throne for another person named The Holy Spirit.

Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my WORDS,
.....of him shall the Son of man be ashamed,
.....when he shall come in HIS OWN glory,
.....AND in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.
Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father:
.....and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father;
.....and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him..
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time;
.....The only begotten SON,
.....which is in the bosom of the Father,
.....HE hath declared HIM.


sĭnus , the bosom of a garment; eagerly embraces, grasps, The bosom, as in most other languages, for love, protection, asylum, under the care or tuition, , the place of the spirits of the just

Declared: ē-narro , āvi, ātum, 1, v. a., I. to explain in detail, to expound, interpret, more explicitly: “scribere,” Gell. 10, 1, 7

John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son,
and hath given all things into his hand.
John 4:53 So the father knew that it was at the same hour,
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
.....The Son can do nothing of himself,
.....but what he seeth the Father do:
..... for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son,
.....and sheweth him all things that himself doeth:
.....and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead,
.....and quickeneth them;
.....even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man,
.....but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son,
.....even as they honour the Father.
.....He that honoureth not the Son
.....honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself;
.....so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth,?
.....but for that MEAT which endureth unto everlasting LIFE,
.....which the Son of man shall give unto you:
.....for him hath God the Father sealed.


Don't labor or pay for labor to deliver the FREE WATER OF THE WORD.

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.55.Word.Spirit.html

......John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
.......the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of MAN,
.....then shall ye know that I am he,
.....and that I do nothing of myself;
.....but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, [at His baptism]
.....and sent into the world,
.....Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,
.....that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven,
.....and said, Father,
.....the hour is come;
.....glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob,
..... the God of our fathers,
.....hath glorified his Son Jesus;
.....whom ye delivered up,
.....and denied him in the presence of Pilate,
.....when he was determined to let him go.

.....Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
.....that God HATH MADEthat same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,
.....both Lord and Christ.

2Cor. 6:18 And will be a Father unto you,
.....and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Gal. 4:6 And because ye are SONS,
..........God hath sent forth the Spirit
.....OF his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.


An adopted child has the spirit OF their adopted parents.
Heb. 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time,
.....Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee?
.....And again, I will BE TO HIM a Father, and he shall BE TO ME a Son?
2Pet. 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory,
..... when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory,
.....This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

1John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you,
.....that ye also may have fellowship with us:
.....and truly our fellowship is with the Father,
.....AND with his Son Jesus Christ. [neither are "god" words"
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
.....He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son,
.....the same hath not the Father:
.....(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning.
.....If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you,
.....ye also shall continue in the Son, AND in the Father.
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify
.....that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
2John 3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace,
.....from God the Father,
.....AND from the Lord Jesus Christ,
..... the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
2John 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
.....hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ,
.....he hath both the Father and the Son.



The Doctrine or teachings of Jesus are TOTALLY that He was made the SON of God and that He speaks ONLY what He hears from the Father Who breathes (spirit) the Word or Logos into Him.

God is Word and Light and anything you can name but His WORD is another another god person but WHAT the ONE ALMIGHTY OR "LORD-GO" SPEAKS as God's Regulative Principle. You don't know a single APOSTATE CHURCH which repudiates God's Regulative Principle and claims that by praying a God Person will enter into their bodies and tell them what Jesus WOULD have said if He had a Phd.



    
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Rocky
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Church Singing

January 19 2016, 10:09 PM 

Ken, perhaps Donnie is quite disturbed how you handled the Church Singing thread.


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Rocky,

That's not quite the case.

You earlier said in regard to not believing in "in Church singing ... I'm also hearing that y'all are in need of a Bible that you can believe in...."

I think you will agree that this thread should continue as a "church singing" thread regardless of attempts by others to divert from the subject matter of "church singing."

Such an attempt to divert (while published anyway) from church singing to the Trinity dogma must not go unanswered.

I responded to that diversion attempt to promote an agenda already being discussed in other threads. So, did Ken. So, we're all fine in that regard. Let's get back to "church singing."

By the way, Rocky, I noted earlier when you said: "Ken, I think your beef is really with PERFORMANCE singing in the Church. Let's just leave it at that. Donnie, do you concur?

You brought up a major point worth discussing further: PERFORMANCE singing in the church.


    
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Donnie Cruz
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Misquoting Ken for Bill's Remarks

January 20 2016, 10:16 PM 

Rocky,

I think you mistook Ken for Bill when you said in your post of January 16, 2016, 5:02 PM [on this page]:

Ken said,

The Bible mentions SPEAKING in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs as well as singing and making melody in the heart, implying that speaking and singing are proper; CM ignores the singing (implying that it's wrong or improper) and focuses on the speaking.

*************

Thanks Ken, it is merely an opinion on your part and CM. I noticed you left the Church of Christ out of the discussion. Church Singing is safe! I'm done.

That explains why you thanked Ken [with the rest of your comments. happy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gif ]

It was Bill who actually made that remark. (cf. "Re: Church Singing," January 16 2016, 1:16 PM, preceding page.)

It was Ken who quoted Bill's remark in red. (cf. "Bill refuses to read the REST OF THE STORY," January 16 2016, 3:50 PM, preceding page.) Ken answered Bill quite extensively in black.

[It appears that in posting messages, there are times when quoting statements using a different font color may not clarify who says what, especially when there are intervening posts. Mentioning the author's name would help tremendously in this regard as in: "Donnie said:" or "Dave said:" ... etc.]

 
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Rocky
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Church Singing

January 21 2016, 5:37 PM 



Donnie you are correct. I misquoted Ken for Bill's remarks. My bad.

Bill's statement:

"The Bible mentions SPEAKING in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs as well as singing and making melody in the heart, implying that speaking and singing are proper; CM ignores the singing (implying that it's wrong or improper) and focuses on the speaking."

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However, Bill's statement seems to be an accurate assessment of Ken's position on Church Singing. Does it also represent Donnie's?


 
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Bill
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Re: Church Singing

January 21 2016, 8:15 PM 

Here's the impression that Donnie and Ken leave about church singing. They both seem to have differences of opinion here. Whereas Ken condemns all forms of music (vocal and instrumental) in worship, Donnie condemns all instrumental music and any vocal music that is culture-driven for entertainment. However, Donnie does note that the New Testament mentions speaking in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, yet he interprets the phrase "singing and making melody in the heart" as a total metaphor -- that it's the heart that does the singing and making the melody, not the voice. Of course, I the vast majority of other Christians interpret that phase to mean that we sing with the voice and make the true melody in our hearts. Donnie also notes that even though there is no explicit command to sing in Christian worship [nor is there a command that forbids singing], there's nothing wrong with it, as long as it's not culture-driven for entertainment.


    
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They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.

The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan. Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books, seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....

At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the "Community Church Movement"

Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready, or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the plans very nature, it had to be secret.

The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last 15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.

The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the elders went along unwittingly.

This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill in some of the timeline.

To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the background materials in the first of the book.

This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison

Here is the list of players;

5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
 

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