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Bill
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Re: Church Singing

January 21 2016, 9:13 PM 

yet he interprets the phrase "singing and making melody in the heart" as a total metaphor -- that it's the heart that does the singing and making the melody, not the voice

Nope you missed reading
Paul said to SPEAK psalms, hymns and spiritual songs
And or But sing (ode) and make melody (psallo) IN THE HEART.

Speak is the opposite of SING: you cannot do OPPOSITES at the same time.
Psallo never in recorded history means to make MUSICAL MELODY: It speaks of shooting real or love arrows or shooting out hymns to attract a mate.

Ode speaks enchantment or sorcery and psallo is a warfare or seducing word. That is why Paul speaks ANTITHESIS as He does in 1 corinthins 14: Unless it is some revealed message the keep SILENCE.

Singing IN the bathroom means that no one hears me while trying to read the Bible..

Singing and making I believe are present participles (help) and AND connects them as being IN the heart.

The woman at the well understood Jesus to say that worship is not in a PLACE like Jerusalem but IN SPIRIT which is a place.

 
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Bill
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Re: Church Singing

January 21 2016, 10:54 PM 

Whatever Ken wants to twist out of this, the bottom line is that worshipful singing is not sinful. Ken may be opposed to singing, but that's just his personal hangup. We literally sing with our voices and metaphorically make melody in our hearts, which is what I believe "singing and making melody in your hearts" means. We can speak as well as sing the hymns, although I don't know of any church that only "speaks" the hymns. Singing hymns is the standard today.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Church Singing

January 21 2016, 7:58 PM 

Ken doesn't do right and wrong: he quotes Scripture and any good dictionary. Paul always shows FROM WHAT we are made SAFE by Grace through Faith. Sorry, but Scripture and recorded history always associates religious music with what Plato called gender bleed. I will expand on the worship in Ephesus from which Paul said we are made SAFE from. That is the prophesied rise of the "progressives" or musical banditos back to the original Babylon Mother of the always-pagan trinity.

Lexis and all Logos words are the OPPOSITE to ODE.
LOGOS as speak is the opposite of rhetoric, singing, playing instruments or any personal opinions or personal experiences.

The question for you is WHY are you so interested in SINGING when Jesus invites ONLY His disciples to Rest and LEARN of Me.

Paul defined psalms, hymns and spiritual songs as "that which is written for our LEARNING in Romans 15."

You don't know of or heard of anyone who SINGS that which is written for our learning.

Do you think that God is a love-sick Juliet that you need to sing lullibies to Him and feed Him?

If you want to SING when the Purpose Driven Church is commanded from the wilderness onward to REST, READ AND REHEARSE the Word of God--ONCE each REST day if you WORK for seven days, then THAT is what God has decided to do to you.

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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Church Singing

January 22 2016, 1:07 PM 

(1) A keen observer would readily recognize that Ken quotes Scripture [frequently! a lot!] -- evidenced by countless passages with TEXT that he references. Check it out; take time to review his posts. He has an extensive list of resources as bases from which he capably compares and contrasts belief systems between "our" Restoration forefathers and ["your"] progressive activists operating in the brotherhood.

To doubters -- why not present your views against the scriptures referenced by Ken? The likelihood is that whatever you are "contending for the faith" [ha-ha-ha] you will have difficulty with using the New Testament as your reliable resource. Let's use the KJV as an example. Music: there's only 1 reference. Luke 15:25 -- the elder son "heard music and dancing." Wow! It's associated with dancing. Yes, music and dancing are great partners. And MUSIC in the church being considered as a COMMAND by the progressives???

(2) Ephesians 5:19 -- "SPEAKING to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord."

(3) In Ephesians 5:19, both verbs -- SPEAKING and SINGING -- are mentioned. Do we know what the difference is? Why are some extremely busy with substituting one for the other? Or that both words are interchangeable? Maybe we should ask a third grader, or a kindergartener, to tell us the difference? We (adults) may just learn something "out of the mouth of babes and sucklings" by chance? Paul could have easily said: "SINGING TO YOURSELVES" [like facing each other with or without microphones]. But he did not, did he?

(4) In Ephesians 5:19, the SPEAKING activity is directed to YOURSELVES with the object being "psalms, hymns, spiritual songs." But with SINGING, the direction is from (IN) "your heart TO THE LORD."

(5) Let's not forget a parallel passage. Colossians 3:16 states -- Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; TEACHING and ADMONISHING one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, SINGING with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

(6) There are those who would have Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16 in reverse order:

--------- TEACH and ADMONISH God in "psalms, hymns and spiritual songs"
--------- SING TO ONE ANOTHER


OK, those are just highlights from both passages. Let's discuss the text.

[Ken, please let's first give others the chance and time to express themselves.]

 
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Bill
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Re: Church Singing

January 22 2016, 1:58 PM 

I've already given my views about church singing. Maybe Rocky and Dave will give their views. I do find it odd when some folks stress over and over that the Bible says to "speak hymns," as if singing them is sinful, yet those same folks turn around and say that there's nothing wrong with singing hymns as such. It's as if they just enjoy nit-picking. At least others are consistent (though misguided) who say that all hymn-singing is sinful, even though there's nothing in the New Testament that condemns hymn-singing as such.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Church Singing

January 22 2016, 3:28 PM 

Bill, I notice that you're having difficulty making an argument because the notion that "singing is sinful," wherever that came from, dominates your thinking. That's the conclusion you've made just because we've presented that music or musical idolatry has dominated these days what should be occurring in the gathering of saints (assembly).

"Let[ting] the word of Christ dwell in you richly" (Colossians 3:16) and commemorating the Lord's sacrifice and death on the cross should essentially comprise the purpose that the saints gather. Not music.

SPEAKING (TEACHING and ADMONISHING) is with one another. And you're subsituting SINGING for SPEAKING the word of Christ [in psalms, hymns and spiritual songs].

Maybe you love the idea that by SINGING, your intent is to teach and admonish God -- unbeknownst to you. But that's your prerogative.

Let me know when you "teach and admonish" one another by SINGING (instead of speaking) for an hour or two; I may attend the session.

 
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Bill
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Re: Church Singing

January 22 2016, 6:05 PM 

Ken in his ever-convoluted way seems to have been saying all along that singing is sinful or wrong or not proper; at least he's opposed to singing in church and constantly rants about it. So you're saying...now...that no one ever said that singing is sinful? Even though Ken opposes singing in church, he no longer (and never did) think it was sinful? That's what you're pitching...now. You guys keep changing your minds about what to pitch...singing was sinful yesterday but not today.

The bottom line for me and the vast majority of Christians is that singing in church is perfectly fine. You and Ken need to get your stories straight, however.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Church Singing

January 22 2016, 7:55 PM 

Bill, you missed my point. You're saying so many words without engaging in the specifics of the passages being discussed. By the way, speaking of "vast majority," the over-a-billion Roman Catholics in the world believe and worship "the Virgin Mary" as God's Mother. Does that make their "worship" doctrine perfectly fine?

Ken has shown the origin of "a cappella" and the original meaning of that expression, and how that definition has changed in time to its meaning in today's language and usage.

Ken has ably shown us the history of "congregational singing" as we know it today.

The significance of such information in our study of singing is immense!!!

"TEACHING AND ADMONISHING one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs..."

How would you accomplish that when the parallel passage says "SPEAKING"?

From a practical standpoint, if you were to engage in TEACHING "the word of Christ" (Col. 3:16) in a 2-hour period, would you be doing that by SINGING for 2 hours?

 
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Kenneth Sublett
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Church Father Arnobius and music part A

January 24 2016, 9:35 PM 

It is not possible to ever read the Scriptures unperturbed by false teachers and believe that God commanded animal slaughter and the instrumental music as worship along with it. God abandoned the Civil-Military Clergy complex to worship the starry host including Apollon-Abaddon-Lucifer-Zoe. God excluded "vocal or instrumental rejoicing or speaking beyond Preaching the Word by READING the Word.

They say that God commanded instrumental music and never removed it. God promises strong delusions for those who do not love the Word. Heard a recent sermon saying that we live in DARKNESS when Jesus came as the LIGHT-WORD of the World and HE can use the holy spirit people to GET THE LIGHT for you--for a price.

There is no historic scholar who did not know that God did not COMMAND that to which He abandoned the Jews. You fill find no historic scholar (church father) who does not know that the RELIGIOUS OBSERVATIONS [to which the kingdom does not come] who did not know that musical performance intended to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter.

Arnobius A Christian apologist, flourished during the reign of Diocletian (284-305) died c. 330

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Arnobius and music part B

January 25 2016, 5:48 PM 

The ANTI-Christian trinity as we have noted begins in Babylonia with the tripple goddesses. The Mother Goddess may really be female at times. In Revelation 18 the lusted after fruits are the "dogs" or catamites as the priests of Cybele or Isis worshipped at Mount Sinai when the Jews rose up to play: this was a ritual drama where as the Fuller-Wimber or vineyard lady works up the audience for a sexual like experience with a spirit. Paul EXCLUDED them from worship IN SPIRIT and the "concision" were those who had been emasculated to be suitable money makers for the mother goddess. The so calledd ACappella is a steal word from "a cappella" which is NOT congregational singing. Where instruments were not permitted by the Pope in the Sistine Chapel an exiled Pope returned with a castrated opra singers and replaced the usual FALSETTO of religious musicians.

Any kind of spectacle of worship or theatrical performance is well documented as an outbreak, as Plato warned, an outbreak of gender bleed. The Word or Logos as the regulative principle OUTLAWS and MARKS performance speakers, singers, instrument players, actors or dancers.

The Apostate Progressives say that the Church Fathers defended what they call "Instrumental Praise" or virtual-instrumental worship teams. Most of the "scholarly" text books sold by the professors leading your classes never bother to read beyond their "sacred scholars conferances."

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Ken Sublett
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Arnobius and musical idolatry Part C

January 25 2016, 9:37 PM 

Jesus said that His little flock is not OF the World and HE is not of the world. The Mark is that those who repeat what He spoke as He repeated what the father breathed (spirit) into Him would be hated BY the World.

The latest great tribulation by those who infiltrated Churches of Christ which are bound to the Word mesure up to ALL of the MARKS of demons: Kairos as in church planting is the demon (spirit) of Zeus.

Jude 3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend [struggle agonizomai] for THE FAITH which was ONCE delivered unto the saints.
Jude 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jude 6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jude 7 Even as Sodom [Jerusalem Rev 11:8) and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example,
suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Reserved speaks of Apollon-Abaddon king over the locusts or HIS MUSICAL WORSHIP TEAM called sorcerers CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

They won't and cannot change once they have despised the WORD of God proven by almost all songs and sermons PREVENTING the "speaking of that which is WRITTEN for our learning."

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Apostates will never given an account but we hear of godly people slowly slipping away so that in the end the ENTIRE group disperses making the OFFENDING OF JUST ONE worthy of hell.




 
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Ken Sublett
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Arnobius pard D speaking for Recorded History

January 26 2016, 7:09 PM 

Arnobius Against Heresy (in a church near you)

http://www.piney.com/FathArnobHeresII.html#19

Apostate churches who build churches as institutions and drive people wacky with "programs" and begging for money (extortion says Paul) build upon God's abandonment of the Jews to "worship the starry host" including Abaddon-Apollon brom beginning to the end in a performance theater near you.

No one can have read any of the Old Testament and not know that the law and sacrificial system was IMPOSED until God could carry out His captivity and death sentence by the hands of kings the ELDERS "hired as senior pastors).

Those who impose any kind of what Jesus called hypocritic performance do so because they are still trapped in the darkeness of Judaism. It is not possible to have any saving knowledge of the God of the Universe and beyond and think that He needs your sacrifices PERFORMED by Jacob-Cursed and God-Abandoned Levites.

No historic scholar or anyone having read Acts 7 can believe that they can perform their way into God's good pleasure (legalism) by musical performers who, based on church architecture, are standing in their holy place claiming to be God.

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Ken
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Refresher on Church Singing

January 26 2016, 7:39 PM 


 
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Dave
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No Actual Post

January 26 2016, 9:20 PM 

Ken,
I'd pay you good money if you did all your posts that way.

 
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Ken Sublett
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David: A Refresher on Church Singing

January 26 2016, 9:35 PM 

"Dave" says Ken,I'd pay you good money if you did all your posts that way.

http://www.piney.com/MailCoreSinging.html

Dave references an old "orphan" paper I have never updated. However, it resulted from a "minimal" look at Scripture and recorded history which claims that Satan was the source of "vocal or instrumental rejoicing" intending to silence the voice of God. The Spirit OF Christ defines the serpent as "Lucifer, the singing and harp-playing prostitute." Serpo or Herpo or Nachash in fact defines s "musical enchanter". That was prophesied to be repeated in the end or KAIROS time meaning just the right time to "infiltrate and deceive" by angels of light.

Jude quoting The Book of Enoch:

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares,
who were before of old ordained to this condemnation,
ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,
and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they
have gone in the way of Cain, and
[Cain is derived from a musical note or MARK]
ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and
perished in the gainsaying of Core.

The paper quotes:Trust a 70 year old student of the Bible, Stephen: THERE IS NO MUSICAL WORD OR CONCEPT CONNECTED WITH THE COLLECTIVE WORSHIP OF A SPIRIT GOD. Trust an 85 year old man that nothing has changed since the beast people worshipped the serpent or the musical enchanter-ess.

That was written just after the "return of the prodigal son" trained by uncle and supported by elder father and elder father in law. They decided that after the new property was built (that purpose-driven plot) to out their hidden agenda: they refuted everything the historic church has defended and decided that "unity in diversity" meant that they should not fellowship the "country" churches but fellowship the instrumentalists. After failing with the over 300 attendance shrinking to bellow 100 they moved their operations to another county and began practicing that which they denied they were promoting. This was Promise Keepers, Jubile and the Purpose Driven cult. That is now the Kairos Church Planting Plot run by a kid I knew in Seattle. They do not grasp that "unity in diversity" is promoted by those Paul said were LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE. The KAIROS plotters, like Judas, may not know that KAIROS is the demon (spirit) son of Zeus and Kairos Time as Just the right time to mount an attack. The DAUGHTER or SATTELITE churches will not remain faithful to the MOTHER but will consume HER.

Rev. 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short KAIROS.


In Greek mythology, Caerus or Kaerus (Greek: Καιρός, Kairos) was the personification of opportunity, luck and favorable moments. He was shown with only one lock of hair. His Roman equivalent was Occasio or Tempus. Caerus is the youngest child of Zeus. Caerus and Fortuna became lovers after Caerus neglected to overthrow his father as everyone thought he would.

Kairos TIME for; Downward Sword, tirade, Fall, but also, grave, serious, Trauma, wound, hurt, intent to murder. [3. rarely in good sense, good luck, happy issue, Making Haste, zeal for the conflicting arguments. The city is mine too, not yours alone. Time to settle the feud. mely circumstances, opportunities to fight battles,

That was fifteen years ago and I still cannot find a remote hint that any kind of music has any role to play IFFEN you graspe that the godly Jews RESTED on thee REST DAY while the Civil-Military-Clergy complex who enslaved the working classes could POLLUTE the Sabbath because they had already been abandoned.

school (n.1) Look up school at Dictionary.com "place of instruction," Old English scol, from Latin schola "intermission of work, leisure for learning; learned conversation, debate; lecture; meeting place for teachers and students, place of instruction; disciples of a teacher, body of followers, sect," from Greek skhole "spare time, leisure, rest ease; idleness; that in which leisure is employed; learned discussion;" also "a place for lectures, school;" originally "a holding back, a keeping clear," from skhein "to get" (from PIE root *segh- "to hold, hold in one's power, to have;" see scheme (n.)) + -ole by analogy with bole "a throw," stole "outfit," etc.


The HOUSE of the LORD includes the "one another" or the laity: it is EXCLUSIVE of Priests or Levites OR any staff beyond and Apt elder who can read and lead the discussion--free of charge.

Jesus issued TWO DIRECT COMMANDMENTS for those BURDEN LADED BY BURDEN LADERS.
Come OUTSIDE the masses to Rest
And LEARN OF ME.

That defines the singular pattern for the Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness which PREACHED whatever they had from Moses by READING it for comfort and doctrine. OUTLAWING vocal or instrumental rejoicing or rhetoric which is the ALARM left to MARK FOR AVOIDANCE those latter day Jews who are not true Jews.

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Psalms, Hymns, Spiritual songs: REFUTING the Regulative Principle

January 28 2016, 1:58 PM 

Those who insist that the REST of Jesus where HE conducts SCHOOL should be dominated by the ACT of singing based on Ephesians and Colossians Purpose Driven to replace the "that which is written for our learning" with Non or even ANTI Scriptural songs as an ACT of worship which by definition worships the song writers and song performers.

If you believe that Scripture is all DARKNESS needing a human to claim that "a" spirit gives them the real LIGIT (postmodernism, witchcraft, spiritual formation) then Scripture defines you as having a WORLD VIEW, the Kosmos or the ecumenical meaning the reign of Satan. Jesus doesn't pray for those OF the World and God hides from the wise, sophists marked as performance based hired speakers, singers, instrument players or a CLAQUE of clappers to give futile aid and comfort.

The command to SPEAK that which is written is the ACTIVE VERBE while ODE or hymn non Biblical texts is the OPPOSITE of SPEAK and are therefore left IN the heart or silent. Paul said that the converted Jews worshipped IN THE SPIRIT in contrast to IN the FLESH. REFUTING the Regulative Principle is defined as ANTI-Chritian.

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Presbyterians influenced Churches of Christ

January 30 2016, 8:42 PM 

We have noted that Paul's active verb is to SPEAK the inspired text.

That the speak words such as LEXIS is the opposite of ODE

Religionists believe, practice and defend the right to SING instead of SPEAK which is a Rest-School Word. However, they INSIST upon a favorite song book which is a PRAYER book since hymns are prayers in the Greek World.

God maybe did not intend to SPEAK to the wise or sophists as Jesus says: they are speakers beyond the sacred pages, singers, instrument players, actors, dancers, shouters or clappers.

In the interest of TURF WARFARE no one seems interested in "using one mind and one mouth to speak that which is written for our learning." Martin Luther defined this as unison and melody was never tuneful. Some presbyterians speak of RESTORING congregational singing but there was no liturgical group singing with or without instruments (outlawed for the synagogue) from the Wilderness until after the Reformation.

Psalms, hymns and spiritual songs were BIBLICAL and the presbyterians say there were 67 true psalms or mizmors: I count 57 and 50 or 1/3 used by the Jews never mention an instrument.

Scripture Evidence

I. Matthew 26:30, Mark 14:26. Here we are told that, on the occasion of the passover, Jesus and His disciples sang a hymn before going out to the Mount of Olives. The Greek is humnesantes, which literally means "having hymned." The evidence available to us from other sources is to the effect of indicating that the hymn sung on this occasion was what is known as the Hallel, consisting of Psalms 113-118. This instance evinces the following facts.

(1) No warrant whatsoever can be adduced for the singing of uninspired hymns. There is no evidence that an uninspired hymn was sung on this occasion.

(2) The evidence we do possess evinces that Jesus and His disciples sang a portion of the psalter.

(3) The singing took place in connection with the celebration of the Old Testament sacrament of the Passover and the New Testament sacrament of the Lord's Supper.

The question does arise: What were these psalms? It is possible that they were charismatic psalms. If so, one thing is certain -- they were not uninspired compositions. If charismatic they were inspired or given by the Holy Spirit. If we today possessed such charismatic psalms, sung by the apostle himself in the assemblies of worship or sanctioned by him in the worship of the church, then we should have the proper authority for the use of them in the songs of the sanctuary. It so happens, however, that we do not have conclusive evidence to show that we have any of such alleged charismatic psalms. But even on the hypothesis that they were charismatic psalms and even on the hypothesis that we have examples of such in Acts 4:23-30, I Timothy 3:16, we are not thereby furnished with any authorization for the use of uninspired songs in the worship of God.

On the hypothesis that they were not charismatic psalms we have to ask, what were they? To answer this question we have simply to ask another: what songs in the usage of Scripture, fall into the category of psalms? There is one answer. The Book of Psalms is composed of psalms and, therefore, by the simplest principle of hermeneutics we can say that, in terms of Scripture language, the songs that are repeatedly called psalms perfectly satisfy the denotation and connotation of the word "psalm" as it is used here. If inspired Scripture says, "Each one hath a psalm," and Scripture also calls the "Psalms" psalms, then surely we may also sing a Psalm to the praise of God in His worship.

So far as these two texts are concerned we can say that they provide us with no warrant whatsoever for the use of uninspired hymns. We can also say that, since the psalms we possess in the psalter are certainly psalms in the terminology of Scripture itself, we are hereby provided with divine warrant for the singing of such in the worship of God.


The Psalters are fair translations of the psalms which could not as SUPPLIED ever be sung other than chanting each syllable. Two notes lets you speak even the NOT translated psalms.


 
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No metrical or singable Bible Text

February 4 2016, 12:26 PM 

The issue is not "what we gonna do" in the NAME of Jesus but what does the Bible and recorded history say. Donnie has noted history filled with discord over music. You fall short if you violate the direct commands as to RESOURCE and speaking STYLES and TEACHING driving purpose. If you sing where the Bible does not sing then just forget the pattern. The Britannica and the Jewish Encyclopedia note:

But the only clue we have to the mental process by which in a preharmonic age different characteristics can be ascribed to scales identical in all but pitch, is to be found in the limited compass of Greek musical sounds, corresponding as it does to the evident sensitiveness of the Greek ear to differences in vocal effort.
.....We have only to observe the compass of the Greek scale
.....to see that in the most esteemed modes
.....it is much more the compass of speaking 'than of singing voices.


Paul commanded SPEAK and READ with the letters and in theassembly. What is there so mystical about the word SPEAK that almost everyone sees it as SING? Some writer (I have the quote) said that music worked only on the lower classes of people: real gentlemen preferred to read the original.

Modern singing is normally at a much higher pitch than that of the speaking voice,
.....but there is no natural reason, outside the peculiar nature of modern music,
.....why this should be so.

It is highly probable that all modern singing would strike a classical Greek ear as an outcry; and in any case such variations of pitch as are inconsiderable in modern singing are extremely emphatic in the speaking voice, so that they might well make all the difference to an ear unaccustomed to organized sound beyond the speaking compass.

The Oxford History of Music, vols. i. and ii., will be found abundant examples of every stage of the process,
.....which begins with the organum or diapliony
.....that prevailed until the death of Guido of Arezzo (about 1050)
.....and passes through the discant, or measured music, of the I3th century,
.....in which rhythm is first organized on a sufficiently firm basis
.....to enable voices to sing contrasted rhythms simultaneously,
.....while the new harmonic criterion of the independence of parts
.....more and more displaces and shows its opposition
.....to the old criterion of parallelism.


When we read "He flew across the desert" we can DOGMATICALLY say that he did not fly in supersonic Jet." That is true also about singing: There is no Bible example and no one was so "charismatic" as to RACE each other "doing our parts" so important that we PROCURE a worship minister to add more and more art and craft Jesus defined as the role of a hypocrite. That is the definition of LEGALISM in the Greek literature.

If you pay much attention you will discover that a comma or semicolon separates a verse into a form of parallelism. I try to post the text as PARALLELISM because the "singing" which was Cantillation of the Jews intends that you do not miss the contrasts or conflicts.




    
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Jesus did not SING in that sense

February 4 2016, 8:00 PM 

It is highly probable that all modern singing would strike a classical Greek ear as an outcry; and in any case such variations of pitch as are inconsiderable in modern singing are extremely emphatic in the speaking voice, so that they might well make all the difference to an ear unaccustomed to organized sound beyond the speaking compass.

The great tribulation of the Praise Singers Purpose Driven to control God, has the same effect on a large percentage of people. The OUTCRY sounds of singing mimic, in the Words of Moses, those who are celebrating victory in war or those who are defeated: even worse He said 'it is singing that I hear' knowing that idolatry had broken out as a sin beyond redemption. Halal or Chalal "praise" means "to make oneself vile or mad."

The Prophecy of Jesus. Notice that God did not send another God person:

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Acts 16:25 New International Version (NIV)

25 About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them.

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...........................THE BOOK

What Happened at the Madison Church of Christ?


There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.

This book is only about one of those churches. It's about the Madison Church Of Christ. By studying the methods used here along with the resource references you might be able to inoculate your church. At the very least you will recognize the signs early on.

Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't know what happened.
Some never will know! This book is for them as well.

Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.

It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word of Jesus Christ.

At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly realm.

They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.

The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan. Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books, seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....

At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the "Community Church Movement"

Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready, or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the plans very nature, it had to be secret.

The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last 15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.

The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the elders went along unwittingly.

This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill in some of the timeline.

To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the background materials in the first of the book.

This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison

Here is the list of players;

5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
 

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