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Bill
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Re: Alexander Campbell and Thomas Jefferson: The Trinity

January 31 2016, 4:02 PM 

That Campbell rejected the Trinity was his prerogative, even though there is Biblical evidence for the Trinity.

Likewise, because Jesus said "I and my Father are one" and "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father," then the Bible does support the Father being the Son and the Son the Father; they are one and the same. However, it's your prerogative not to believe that, based on your personal interpretation.

Likewise, because the Bible says God is holy and is a Spirit, then the Bible does support God being the Holy Spirit. However, it's also your prerogative not to believe that, based on your personal interpretation.

Because no Scripture explicitly condemns belief in the Trinity, then acceptance or rejection of the Trinity is a matter of individual interpretation of the Scriptures.

As before, we'll just have to agree to disagree. happy.gif

 
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Re: Alexander Campbell and Thomas Jefferson: The Trinity

January 31 2016, 4:38 PM 

(1) Campbell rejected the Trinity Creed. The "creed" or "dogma," Bill. There is no evidence for the man-made Trinity DOGMA that the pagan-influenced Roman government and the apostatized Roman church co-authored, co-invented.

(2) You keep reciting the Trinity DOGMA. None of the passages you quoted to support the Trinity premise has anything to do with Jesus Christ being "the Father" or vice-versa. "Being one" does not make the Father and the Son conjugal twins; rather that they are united and in agreement.

It is not my prerogative. Jesus is the Son of God the Father, and I have no intention of going beyond that truth revealed in the Scripture. Leave it at that, and it won't be your prerogative, either. It is simply the truth -- Jesus is "the Son of God." If I were you, I would not contradict or supplement the Scripture with your speculation. There are at least 50 passages that speak of Jesus as "the Son of God" -- passages that you are unnecessarily in contention with.

(3) That "God is a spirit" is simply the truth that God is without flesh and bones and blood. But God's Spirit is His own just as God's Word is His own. The spirit of God refers to God's power, breath or mind; and it is not a separate being or person that the Trinity Dogma claims as the God Person No. 3.

(4) To rely on what the Scripture does not condemn or reject in order to validate one's premise or theory is illogical and nonsensical. That's like saying: Instrumental music is fine in the assembly because the Scripture does not say "NOT TO" -- wow! First, you must provide scripture references to prove your premise or theory.


 
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Re: Alexander Campbell and Thomas Jefferson: The Trinity

January 31 2016, 5:40 PM 

I'm certainly glad that our decision to agree to disagree hasn't ruined our friendship. happy.gif

 
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Re: Alexander Campbell and Thomas Jefferson: The Trinity

January 31 2016, 9:04 PM 

Bill, it is needless to say that we choose to agree or to disagree. That's common knowledge; did you not know about that part of human nature?

Of course, there is friendship. What does that have to do with seeking the truth in a religious discussion? Seeking the truth such as:

(a) When did God send His only begotten Son to earth: (a.1) at creation or (a.2) 2000 years ago?
(b) When did the Son of God become God the Father?
--------------- or --------------------
(c) When did God the Father become His only begotten Son?


... among many questions that the man-made Trinity DOGMA has no answer!!!

 
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Re: Alexander Campbell and Thomas Jefferson: The Trinity

January 31 2016, 8:24 PM 

I always wonder why people choose to complicate their lives by condemning things that the Bible does not explicitly condemn. The Bible provides instructions about baptism, the Lord's Supper, speaking hymns, singing, making melody in the heart, for example. Yet the Bible does not explicitly condemn anyone who calls Father, Son, and Holy Spirit the "Trinity," nor does the Bible explicitly condemn those who believe that Jesus is God or that Jesus is not God. With such issues, it's a matter of one's interpretation and conscience. If your conscience tells you it's sinful to believe that Jesus is God (or is not God), then you'd better not believe that Jesus is God (or is not God). But to another person, believing that Jesus is God (or is not God) is no sin, because the Bible makes no such condemnation. Therefore, the person who thinks it's sinful to believe that Jesus is God (or is not God) puts an unnecessary burden on himself, when the Bible makes no such condemnation. The same goes for the Trinity.

 
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Re: Alexander Campbell and Thomas Jefferson: The Trinity

January 31 2016, 9:24 PM 

The truth is simple: God sent His only begotten Son (John 3:16). Isn't that passage that familiar to you?

Countless passages support the truth that Jesus is the Son of God (BCVs are too numerous to list). In fact, it was God who made that same Jesus the crucified both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36).

There is nothing complicated about the truth that Jesus is the Son of God.

It is the Trinity DOGMA that has complicated truth matters, actually.

It is man who turns the truth into a BIG lie when he supposes and theorizes that since Jesus is also the Father, then the Father is the Son of God. In that supposition, the simple truth becomes a BIG lie. We don't want that, do we?

It's dangerous when you "let your conscience be your guide" in truth matters.





 
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Re: Alexander Campbell and Thomas Jefferson: The Trinity

January 31 2016, 10:50 PM 

So you prefer to keep burdening yourself with man-made condemnations where the Bible makes no such condemnations. If you enjoy that kind of "life," then it's your prerogative. Perhaps a person without a conscience is more likely to discount the value of the conscience, but for most people, the conscience working in concert with the Bible is definitely a very good guide.

 
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Re: Alexander Campbell and Thomas Jefferson: The Trinity

February 1 2016, 12:45 AM 

When the Scripture does the condemning, it is not a burden at all.

Correct -- the Bible is the guide: the conscience accepts the guide or rejects it.

 
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Bill
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Re: Alexander Campbell and Thomas Jefferson: The Trinity

February 1 2016, 9:40 AM 

Of course, in this case, the only Scriptural "condemnation" stems from the minds of those with fanciful imaginations.

No Scripture says, "He who believes that Jesus is God or is not God shall lose his soul."

No Scripture says, "He who believes that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are the Trinity or are one-in-three or three-in-one shall lose his soul."

Instead, the "condemnation" is the product of those who decide that all who have different interpretations of Scripture will lose their souls.

 
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Re: Alexander Campbell and Thomas Jefferson: The Trinity

February 1 2016, 11:32 AM 

Sorry about that reading!! Paul prophesied of EXACTLY the period surrounding the year 2000 which fits the pattern defined by Moses where the original elohim created, bara which also means CAST DOWN fitting the record of the Sumerians exactly. That was when Lucifer the singing and harp-playing prostitute was "Cast as profane (chalal, halal) out of heaven.

Over and over the text defines ONE GOD Who is SPIRIT and one Son who is NOT. Trinitarian is therefore not so much the SIN but is the MARK of those OF the World or the Ecumenical ruled over by Apollon defining the SERVICE of the Levites to the END of the cycle where "progressives" have used the Levite SERVICE as their PATTERN.

There are THREE actors in the Loop: Only ONE is God the Father, One Mediator Jesus made Christ and each Disciple of Christ. Jesus mediates: He supplies the ONLY resource that a Church of Christ WILL WANT to use, and He confesses us to the Father when we confess by prayer and "Speaking that which is written for our learning."

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is ANTICHRIST, that denieth
the Father AND the Son.


Spirit is not mentioned because SPIRIT is the Mind of Christ written for our learning: Spirit is BREATH which flows between Father and Son: it does not flow for merchants of their own songs and sermons.

Jesus of Nazareth was not Lord and Christ until God MADE Him to be:

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God HATH MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.


ANTICHRISTS or Trinitarians say that Jesus was BOTH fully God and fully Flesh. God did not come in the flesh but Jesus Did.

1John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit OF antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

(Dr. William Smith's Dictionary of the Bible, 1872)

APOLLYON. The Greek name, meaning "Destroyer," given in Revelation 9:11 for "the angel of the bottomless pit" (in Hebrew called Abaddon), also identified as the king of the demonic "locusts" described in Revelation 9:3-10...In one manuscript, instead of Apollyon the text reads "Apollo," the Greek god of death and pestilence as well as of the sun, music, poetry, crops and herds, and medicine. Apollyon is no doubt the correct reading. But the name Apollo (Gk Apollon) was often linked in ancient Greek writings with the verb apollymi or apollyo, "destroy." From this time of Grotius, "Apollyon" has often been taken here to be a play on the name Apollo. The locust was an emblem of this god, who poisoned [sorcery, pharmakea, Odes] his victims, and the name "Apollyon" may be used allusively in Revelation to attack the pagan god and so indirectly the Roman emperor Domitian, who liked to be regarded as Apollo incarnate.


One of our defuncto preachers claims that He is the authoritative teacher claiming the role Jesus resumed when He returned on Pentecost. He cannot even quote the text straight.

2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

684. apoleia, ap-o´-li-a; from a presumed derivative of 622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): — damnable(-nation), destruction, die, perdition, x perish, pernicious ways, waste.
622 apollumi, ap-ol´-loo-mee; from 575 and the base of 3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively: — destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.

2Th. 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Naos is the temple meaning any holy place.

Apollon is the "god of light" and the progressive preachers do not grasp that SPIRITUS personified points to Apollon-Abaddon: the king over the locusts or MUSES who are sqarming all over once-faithful schools and churches. Jesus came as LIGHT OF THE WORLD: if you are working your heart out and spending money trying to FIND THE LIGHT, congratulations, Apollo has landed.

 
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Re: Alexander Campbell and Thomas Jefferson: The Trinity

January 31 2016, 9:30 PM 

Rom. 15:6 That ye may
.....with one mind and one mouth
.....glorify GOD, even the Father
.....of our LORD Jesus Christ.

1Cor. 8:6 But to US there is
but ONE GOD the Father,
.....of whom are all things, and we in him;
AND
one Lord Jesus Christ,
.....by whom are all things, and we by him.


John 12:47 And if any man hear MY WORDS and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have SPOKKEN, the same shall judge him in the last day.


IF YOU WANT TO PAY SOMEONE TO SPEAK WORDS THAT CHRIST HAS NOT SPOKEN IN THE PROPHETS AND APOSTLES THEN THAT IS WHAT GOD WANTS YOU TO DO: HIS WORDS get the last WORD.

Jesus called God His FATHER and the Father called Jesus a SON. When Jesus SPEAK He speaks the very WORDS of God: He is not to be judged by insisting that He tells you that He is NOT God the father after He has said that HE has flesh and bones and God DOES NOT have flesh and bones.

If a Pathologist says He was murdered by 27 stab wounds, He does NOT have to say that He was NOT murdered by drowning. But, hang in there, you have many of the latest spawn of pseudo preachers tribulating and afflicting because God hath NOT said, "thou shalt not organize a work party 7 days a week for the LAMBS."


    
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Re: Alexander Campbell and Thomas Jefferson: The Trinity

January 31 2016, 10:39 PM 

The PATTERN defined dozens of times is that the assembly (synagogue in Paul's words) is EXCLUSIVELY a time and place for the elders as the Christ-gifted APT elders is to "teach that which has been taught." That is always preambled by shutting down the cunning craftsmen or sophists: rhetoricians, singers, instrument players, actors or any PERFORMING role beyond READING and discusing the REVEALED WORD. By direct statement Paul said they will be LYING IN WAIT TOP DECEIVE and Jesus said that the Father HIDES from them.

So, why is the world laded with institutions that try to keep you busy rather than working, as Paul commanded Timothy, so that they can feed the poor?

Why do you suppose that I am sad to say that there was almost no people called out of their REST to just read and teach the text the way it is written? Jude and others say they are predestined and Paul said in effect that the PEOPLE LOVE TO HAVE IT SO because they are OF the World and will not tolerate the FIRE and LIGHT of the Word.

So, if Jesus says that He is the SON of God with flesh and bones and God is Spirit without flesh and bones why the impulse to say that Jesus was wrong.

 
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Ken Sublett
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The REAL 1 John 5 part 1

January 31 2016, 4:48 PM 

Donnie you always note that trinitarians are literally UNABLE to go beyond collecting a few statements out of context: when you despise the word and do not tell the rest of the story God sends you strong delusions: that's why they worship out of a Pray Book rather than the Good Book.

In the Epistles John affirms the promise of Jesus that HE will return as the Comforter so that the SINGULAR comforter-intercessor is named Jesus Christ the Righteous. You cannot purchase enough degrees to prevent you from saying that the holy spirit god person is the SECOND Intercessor.

If Scripture says that there is:
ONE GOD the Father
And One Mediator between man and God, the Man Christ Jesus

And you say that you have "progressed" to hearing A spirit by exercising extreme prayer and crying out.

The the Spirit OF Christ in the Latin says that you despise the Holy Spirit OF Christ meaning blasphemy. That's why Jesus was not allowed to have His THRONE among the empty chairs of Rick Atchley etal.

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1 John 5 Part B

January 31 2016, 9:57 PM 

The massed multitude, the World View, the Ecumenical as the REIGN OF SATAN do not want you to read beyond the "Sacred proof texts." Here are some more facts that John repeats what Jesus said in the godpel account. The Father breaths (spirit does not mean a person) and the Son articulates the Fathers LOGOS or Regulative principle. That is laid down in prophecy both inclusive of what most people did in the religious marketplace today. The kingdom does not COME to the "spectacles of worship" but to His REST meaning SCHOOL.

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Re: 1 John 5 Part B

January 31 2016, 10:13 PM 

Ken,

A Trinity DOGMA adherent reminds of a Baptist who announces "once saved, always saved" [and there's no falling away].

The Trinitarian follower proudly declaims:

----- God the Father!!!!!!!!!! [God Person #1]
----- God the Son!!!!!!!!!!!!! [God Person #2]
----- God the Holy Spirit!!!!! [God Person #3]


Can someone do research on the numbering system used by the Trinitarian theorist? Is that in chronological order or in order of importance? The only truth in that declaration is regarding "God the Father" as there are passages that support that truth. All else is fabricated.



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(Ken, it is not a problem if any post [including Bill's happy.gif ] is approved in my absence: controversial or not, truth or opinion -- just no personal attacks by the poster. In that manner, you may freely respond to that approved post directly under it so that there is continuity in "the conversation." As you know there is an issue with "the paging system" in the placement of a response to a message that is approved much later.

Who says that moderating is easy? Thanks! d.c.)


    
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Lipscomb University-Gospel Advocate

February 1 2016, 9:31 PM 

H Leo Boles of David Lipscomb University and the Gospel Advocate, for the first time in history I believe, defined the GODHEAD as three, separated, centers of consciousness, each with different skills and dispensations and numbered 1, 2 and 3. I was informed that it originated after 1900. However, Shepherd finished the work of Boles and did not express earlier views. A man named Hobbs (?) may have said about the same thing. The trinity sermon was preached at Freed Hardeman in 1938 and was published by the GA in 1942 and became the CREED of the GOSPEL ADVOCATE WING of churches of Christ. I have added necessary synonyms.

H. Leo Boles: The three are distinctly (clearly, sharply, plainly) separate beings (persons, mankind, humanity, man, mortality). However, they are one (single, sole, solitary, unique) because they share the same purposes, intentions and desires. The Godhead is one in the same way that a husband and wife are one (Mal 2:14-15) (H. Leo Boles in Sept. 1, 1966, p. 2, Fall Quarter, Foundations, Gospel Advocate.)

Christ is the only member of the Godhead that has been clothed in flesh. Their Standing (status or rank) is always first, second and third. Boles, H. Leo, The Holy Spirit, Gospel Advocate P. 20.


God means THEE DIVINE NATURE: Jesus as the Christ was filled with the Divine Nature as are all Disciples of Christ.

The Godhead is thus composed of three coeternal and coequal persons; they are the same in nature and essence (basic stuff), but are different, (discrete, dissimilar, diverse) personalities (selfhood as a human). (Each is fitted for different roles.)

The Divine Family... suggests the close relation that exists between the members of the Godhead, and also that they constitute a family (clan, kith, lineage, race); it suggest that they are closely related, that they are akin. (relatives, same lineage, same tribe) This term expresses an interest in each other and a cooperation (teamwork, collaboration, partnership) in activities. P. 21

The Holy Spirit was present in the beginning... the plural means that there was a plurality (majority) of divine beings.


The plural applies to Genesis 1 which is the account of the "casting down" by the Elohim. Chapter 2 defines the LORD GOD which means "Jehovah as the only TRUE Elohim." Moses was writing for an abandoned to worship the starry host (Babylonianism) AFTER they fell into instrumental and Trinitarian and perverted worship (Romans 1)

The Holy Spirit as a member (limb, branch, leg) of the Godhead is associated in all divine acts with God and the Word. Such association and relationship (family tie) necessarily imply a likeness (similarity, resemblance) in nature and similarity in attributes (qualifications, character). Boles, H. Leo, The Holy Spirit, Gospel Advocate P. 31

Personality in God is the sum total of the infinite attributes resident in the inmost depth of his one divine nature;

the three persons in the Godhead are the three individualities (distinctiveness),

the three personal centers of consciousness,

the three separate (apart, divided, independent, disconnected, distinct) self-conscious and self-determining (self-deciding) persons or selves. P. 33

Christ, the Word, is the agent (deputy, broker through whom God created all things; the Holy Spirit gives life, enacts laws, and organizes (establish, institute, construct) the material universe. Creation was not finished (full-fledged, done) until the third member of the Godhead functioned.

The Scriptures clearly teach that both Christ and the Holy Spirit derived (borrowed, used, second-hand) their deity from the Father as the fountainhead (primal source), and so they are subordinate (inferior, minor, lower, subservient) to him; however, such derivation of deity and subordination do not by any means involve any quality (trait, mark) of deity.

The Father's fullness of deity is absolutely dependent (subservient, reliant) upon the Son's deity and the deity of the Holy Spirit; their dependence upon the Father for the derivation (origin, beginning, source) of their deity is no greater than the Father's dependence (subordination, need of, subservience) on their dependence. (Mutual begetting from all eternity)

These (three) members, (parts, components, divisions, portions) of the Godhead held a council (committee meeting) at the creation of man; they are divine, one in substance, purpose, and design;

yet they are three distinct (different, disunited, dispersed) persons
and (distinct) function (capacity, utility) in the work of creation.

There is a close analogy between the material realm and the spiritual. God is the Originator, Creator, and Supreme Ruler of the material universe; the Word is the agent (broker) through whom all things were made; the Holy Spirit is the organizer, the life imparter, lawgiver, and guide of the material realm. Boles, H. Leo, The Holy Spirit, Gospel Advocate P. 46H. Leo Boles, Gospel Advocate, p. 46

Each member of the Godhead has had his dispensation (management, regulation, laws, supervision, direction) with man on earth. A dispensation as used here means an epoch of time well marked by certain events; it means a system of principles, promises, rules ordained and administered during a certain period of time Boles, H. Leo, The Holy Spirit, Gospel Advocate P. 51

He (Spirit) takes the lead (first, primary, front, head) during this age as a member of the Godhead. The Holy Spirit took up the work where Christ left it (incomplete) and carries it on to completion and to its final consumation. The Spirit age, so far as revelation instructs us, is the last dispensation. Boles, H. Leo, The Holy Spirit, Gospel Advocate P. 53

 
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Is the Bible the Holy Spirit person?

February 2 2016, 1:07 PM 

It is always wrong and perhaps antiChristian to derive one's belief system from human writers. They tend to say one thing to refute a false idea and something different for another. It is very difficult to detect when Calvin is teaching and when he is speaking "for" his opponent. He said that FANATICS think that they hear anything which is not spiritually discerned by reading the Text.

The charge refuted by the Campbells was the invented weapon that 'You believe that the Bible IS the Spirit."

Most Restoration writera and John Calvin deny that people living today have the same Spirit Powers as those Jesus ordained to witness the certified prophets and they left us a record for OUR MEMORY. However, they do not deny what Campbell called the gift of A holy spirit required to read the text. 2 Corinthians 3 says the LORD IS THAT SPIRIT. Campbell understood that:

1. The Word is not the text but the LOGOS or God's Regulative principle and that A church of Christ--as a mark--will be built upon or EDUCATED by the prophets and apostles. Peter outlawed private interpretation of further expounding of what Jesus expounded.

2. The SPIRIT is never personified other than with Apollon-Abaddon or other "gods" worshipped by those OF the World.

3. The gift OF A holy spirit after ours is washed from sin is the ability to read the text without automatically distorting it. The paper is not a SPIRIT PERSON but the LETTER conveys The Spirit or Mind of God.


The Spirit of Christ gives discernment of THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN but Peter says that further expounding or exegesis (magica) denies the Spirit (breathing) into Jesus Christ and is therefore the mark of a FALSE TEACHER.

We have to wonder about the makers of DOCTORS OF THE LAW work so hard to prevent just teaching that which is written for our learning without having to try so hard to find a legalistic loophole around the clear statements even by Jesus that He is the SON with flesh and bones and NOT God Who does not have flesh and bones.

A person claiming A Holy Spirit Person guiding them BEYOND what Jesus taught and is defined as the only resource as the Prophets and Apostles. Speaks ON HIS OWN and therefore GLORIFIES himself and mocks Jesus.

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Discernment demands A holy spirit to read the text

February 2 2016, 4:54 PM 

The "progressives" claim that whatever reasoning comes out of their legalistic head is the SPIRIT guiding them. They in one way or another rebuke the Spirit of Christ, Jesus and the whole text for connecting baptism with the remission of OUR sins which gives us A holy spirit (with sin washed away). Others speak of baptism as simply away to collect bodies to their ecumenical or WORLD VIEW organization.

In Acts the remission of sins giving A holy spirit is repeated to define CONVERSION to Christ SO THAT sins are remitted.

Paul in 2 Corinthians flashes back to the Mount Sinai event when the instrumental-trinitarian idolatry was the RESULT of refusing to hear the Voice of God in Moses: Moses prophesied of another PROPHET like him who would be heard.

The Jewish dispensation was a reign of DARKNESS and a "covenant with death and hell." That did not prevent the godly people now quarantined from the Temple from asssemblying for sabbath or rest or school of the Word. They still honored the Covenant that God in Christ made with Abraham.

The PROMISE of the Holy Spirit was God's ASSIGNMENT of Jesus the Christ to be the HOLY SPIRIT COMFORTER to guaranteed His Word and to be King and High Priest over His heavenly kingdom which is not seen nor heard religious observations pledged to keep His Word Silent. In fact the strong delusions may be Jesus in another or SPIRIT form PREVENTING the progressives from tampering with or corrupting HIS WORD in the Prophets and Apostles.

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Baptized -- Converted Parallel

February 2 2016, 5:03 PM 

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H.Leo.Boles.Part A

February 3 2016, 12:36 PM 

H.Leo Boles The Holy Spirit

http://www.piney.com/HolySpirit.html

It is common for preachers to say that YOU cannot understand the Bible without someone getting LIGHT from the Holy Spirit which they claim is required to read BLACK text on WHITE paper. This slithers preachers into believing that a direct operation of A holy spirit God person is required to understand the gospel: no salvation and no sanctification without the spirit person allowing you to understand the preached gospel.

On the contrary, Paul said that God sends strong delusions (a lying spirit) to those who do not love the truth or the word of God. Postmodernism says that out evolation and a changed culture makes it impossible to read a document which Jesus may have spoken or read. John identified the spirit of ANTICHRIST if you deny the One God the father and One Son Jesus Christ who guided the Apostles as promised and still reigns as king, high priest and ONLY teacher.

If you have any comments, feel free to agree or refute the first paragraph which is filled to the brim with proof of reading problems even for great preachers. As far as I have researched and been corrected and amended Boles is the FIRST in recorded history.

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At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the "Community Church Movement"

Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready, or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the plans very nature, it had to be secret.

The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last 15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.

The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the elders went along unwittingly.

This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill in some of the timeline.

To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the background materials in the first of the book.

This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison

Here is the list of players;

5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
 

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