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July 5 2016 at 9:13 PM
Donnie Cruz  (Login Donnie.Cruz)
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Ken, please approve posts as soon as possible unless ... before responding. As you know, this will prevent responses to immediate posts from being displaced. Thanks. dc

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Ken Sublett
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Re: Please approve

July 5 2016, 10:05 PM 

You've told me that before. Must be my first childhood!

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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Please approve

July 5 2016, 11:06 PM 

No, it's my age of senescence. happy.gif This fossil must have arrived!!! happy.gifhappy.gif

Overall it's better than re-experiencing the first childhood. There are those in progressive, contemporary assemblies where they do their programmed, rhythmic clap-clap clap-clap-clap thingy that they had not done in years and years. Then, it all comes back -- like children again. happy.gif

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Ken Sublett
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July 6 2016, 2:07 PM 

I asked my three daughters whether they ever needed to sing, clap, skip and dance and they all said NO! Remember that Paul told the truth about Eve: that Moses used the Eve Character as he warned the now-abandoned Jews about the theology and cosmology of Sumer and Babylon as the originators of destroying the happy hunter-gatherers, collecting all of the God-supplied aimals and forcing them to by them back to support a Civil-Military-Clergy complex in Jerusalem. Eve or Evah in the texts spells "abomination" and really speaks of the Dionysus rituals. The Jewish MEN are defined as CHILDREN or BOYS and they hoped that Jesus would be Dionysus (says Plutarch). He would be accepted if when they piped he sang or lamented and danced during the INITIATION into the ALWAYS Gay-Brotherhood. This can be done in a virtual way by the priests of the Babylon Mother of Harlots. Revelation 18 they are the "lusted after fruits" (as in Amos 8) as ANY religious craftsman claiming a clergy role: rhetoric, singing, playing instruments. They are called SORCERERS and will be CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

Lucretius, De Rerum Natura Lucr. 2.609〈=original

Wherefore great mother of gods, and mother of beasts,
And parent of man hath she alone been named.
Her hymned the old and learned bards of Greece
. . . . . .
Seated in chariot o'er the realms of air
To drive her team of lions, teaching thus
That the great earth hangs poised and cannot lie
Resting on other earth. Unto her car
They've yoked the wild beasts, since a progeny,
However savage, must be tamed and chid
By care of parents. They have girt about
With turret-crown the summit of her head,

Since, fortressed in her goodly strongholds high,
'Tis she sustains the cities; now, adorned
With that same token, to-day is carried forth,
With solemn awe through many a mighty land,

The image of that mother, the divine.
Her the wide nations, after antique rite,
Do name Idaean Mother, giving her
Escort of Phrygian bands, since first, they say,

From out those regions 'twas that grain began
Through all the world. To her do they assign
The Galli, the emasculate, since thus
They wish to show that men who violate
The majesty of the mother and have proved
Ingrate to parents are to be adjudged
Unfit to give unto the shores of light

A living progeny. The Galli come:
And hollow cymbals, tight-skinned tambourines
Resound around to bangings of their hands;
The fierce horns threaten with a raucous bray;
The tubed pipe excites their maddened minds
In Phrygian measures; they bear before them knives,
Wild emblems [testicles] of their frenzy, which have power [fŭror]the cause of wrath]
The rabble's ingrate heads and impious hearts
To panic with terror of the goddess' might.

And so, when through the mighty cities borne,
She blesses man with salutations mute,
They strew the highway of her journeyings
With coin of brass and silver, gifting her
With alms and largesse, and shower her and shade
With flowers of roses falling like the snow
Upon the Mother and her companion-bands.

Here is an armed troop, the which by Greeks
Are called the Phrygian Curetes. Since
Haply among themselves they use to play
In games of arms and leap in measure round
With bloody mirth and by their nodding shake
The terrorizing crests upon their heads,

This is the armed troop that represents
The arm'd Dictaean Curetes, who, in Crete,
As runs the story, whilom did out-drown
That infant cry of Zeus, what time their band,

Young boys, in a swift dance around the boy,
To measured step beat with the brass on brass,
That Saturn might not get him for his jaws,
And give its mother an eternal wound
Along her heart. And 'tis on this account
That armed they escort the mighty Mother,

Or else because they signify by this
That she, the goddess, teaches men to be
Eager with armed valour to defend
Their motherland, and ready to stand forth,
The guard and glory of their parents' years.

A tale, however beautifully wrought,
That's wide of reason by a long remove:
For all the gods must of themselves enjoy
Immortal aeons and supreme repose,
Withdrawn from our affairs, detached, afar:

Immune from peril and immune from pain,
Themselves abounding in riches of their own,
Needing not us, they are not touched by wrath
They are not taken by service or by gift.
Truly is earth insensate for all time;

But, by obtaining germs of many things,
In many a way she brings the many forth
Into the light of sun. And here, whoso
Decides to call the ocean Neptune, or
The grain-crop Ceres, and prefers to abuse
The name of Bacchus rather than pronounce
The liquor's proper designation, him
Let us permit to go on calling earth
Mother of Gods, if only he will spare
To taint his soul with foul religion.

Jeanene Reese misleader at ACU says that men should treat women as they do God: She said that EARTH was a MOTHER and therefore superior.

PURE religion speaks of social justice and right living.
IMPURE religion or THRESKIA speaks of rhetoric, singing, playing instruments or other means of "eating up the homes of widows."

AS THE ALWAYS ANTITHESIS God separated the godly Jews from the Civil-Military-Clergy complex. Their worship PROFANED the Sabbath but they had already been abandoned by God beyond redemption.

The Godly Jews attended the Church of Christ (the ROCK) where vocal or instrumental rejoicing was OUTLAWED and the one-piece-pattern.

Both Jews and Gentiles were Wise Unto Salvation because they obeyed the Pattern from the wilderness onward and NEVER, EVER changed.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Acts 13:26 Men and brethren,
children of the stock of Abraham, ?
and whosoever among you feareth God,
to YOU is the word of this salvation sent.

Salvation is NOT SENT to the wise or sophists: speakers, singers or instrument players.
Jesus doesn't pray for the world, kosmos or the ecumenical now being collectivized in mega churches.

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
Acts 13:28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.
Acts 13:29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.

The RULERS were ignorant and murderous because they never heard the PROPHETS read in the Synagogues.

ALL elders are ignorant because they DENY that the church is built upon (educated) by the Prophets and Apostles. I am reviewing Terry Briley's commentary on Isaiah: he helps those who can BUY AND SELL defected to Instrumental Idolatry when the Spirit OF Christ MARKS all of them for HELL (Isaiah 30)

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Re: Please approve

July 9 2016, 4:14 PM 

Ken said "ALL elders are ignorant because they DENY that the church is built upon (educated) by the Prophets and Apostles."

When you generalize all elders to be such, even when you have never met nor know what ALL elders have said and therefore you DO NOT have the right to say so, you have lied.

Ken, looking at my condemnation, I am looking forward to your rebuttal or should I say denial?

Go to it Ken Sublett.

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Ken Sublett
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July 9 2016, 5:24 PM 

The Spirit OF Christ in the PROPHETS defined as Holy Scripture commanded ME not to pay for the FREE WATER OF THE WORD. I had never heard Isaiah 55 until I accepted Jesus' invitation to REST and come LEARN of me.

Since the Church is built upon or educated by the Prophets and Apostles, and I don't know of elders who have hired preachers to teach the WORD, the wise ones have missed my 85 years.

Isaiah 58 commanded us not to seek our own pleasure or SPEAK OUR OWN WORDS, and I have no memory chip alerting me to any elder who grasps that or worries about it.

I don't need to be nasty: my mom told me it was probably inherited.

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Re: Please approve

July 9 2016, 7:47 PM 

So, there are wise elders out there you just haven't met yet? happy.gif

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July 9 2016, 8:26 PM 


There are references throughout the New Testament to prophets only, to apostles only, to elders only, to both prophets and apostles, to both apostles and elders, to prophets with apostles and elders. (I don't know how long it would take me to meet all the elders worldwide. But again I have no intention of meeting all the elders. happy.gif )

But there are references in the same passages in the New Testament to "prophets and apostles" (Luke 11:49; Eph. 3:5; Eph. 2:20, Eph. 4:11; Rev. 18:20; I Cor. 12:28,29).

Take note (as Ken has emphasized): "[19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; [20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone (Ephesians 2, KJV).

Speaking of ignorance on the part of the elders, this may be one way of stating it: All elders who deny that the church is built upon (educated by) the prophets and apostles are ignorant.

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July 9 2016, 8:46 PM 

Jesus set the PATTERN: as a Son He spoke ONLY what the Father revealed to him. If elders intend to TEACH rather than act out a worship song, their only resource is Prophets by the Spirit OF Christ and the prophets made more certain and left as a MEMORY by eye and ear witness Apostles. Peter would say that the otherWISERS despise the SPIRIT which proved Jesus' teaching with signs and wonders. LYING WONDERS are speaking, singing, playing instruments, acting, clapping, dancing or anything you claim is a GOD demonstration.

He commanded the Apostles to teach what He had commanded: He said that if they teach the WORD as He taught the WORD they would be hated as He was hated by the clergy from whom He Hid the word in parables: hidden in plain sight.

Paul commanded that elders teach that which HAD been taught and sit down those who opposed "that which had been taught."

Peter said that was the way to DETECT false teachers. Now, let us count the words the elders let the preacher speak which Jesus spoke in the morning. Donnie is good at taking notes.

It is not strange that those OF the World cannot understand that and give themselves the liberty to quote verse 3d and then, as taught at LU, use his imagination to fill in the SILENCES God just forgot. No wonder! God didn't graduate from Post Modern University.

Paul may have upgraded the Assault Word: Apt elders were to cast out cunning craftsmen or sophists: speakers, singers, instrument players. Elders who do not are promoted to THEY ARE LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.

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