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Drip...Drip...
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Mark'em

August 6 2016, 10:04 AM 



Ken tends to wander and consult with his mythology friends.

Perhaps he needs to refocus.

"Donnie and Ken are Change Agents in the Church of Christ. They believe congregational singing is a sin.

Donnie and Ken would like to cover and hide this fact."







 
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Mark'em

August 19 2016, 10:25 AM 


You would do well to stick the Bible. Your Mythology buds can't help you.






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Ken Sublett
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Re: Mark'em

August 6 2016, 2:28 PM 

Drip-Drip or if I may use the more familiar Drippy, you follow the Anti Regulative Progressive Sectarians in "reversing the charges." Because you-they-etal can't find any "tuneful singing" in the collective assembly until after the Reformation, and you INVENT the ACT (legalism) of singing nothing Biblical and ANTI-teaching-learning, you feel strongly deluded and have to blame the OFFENDED for the terriorism of the Purpose Driven OFFENDER. Lynn Anderson's daughter as one of the "women ruling over you" says that WE have to upset your COMFORT zones before WE can get you to accept US. David Young and the subservient elders says in effect "WE GONNA OFFEND YOU" but we will move slowly (the SERPO pattern) and explain what WE are doing.

C. Leonard Allen defending the always-pagan trinity as part of the rise of the "Babylon Mother of Harlots: (Rev 17) says that God is ECSTATIC, insane or OUT OF HIS MIND in order that He can be FLESH AND BONES contradicting what God says of Himself. That sounds good to the feminist at LU so he becomes the GURU of the Bible Department debunking the Bible and teaching THEOLOGY. Theology is a word applied specificially to Apollon-Abaddon and MARKED by his MUSES or musical worship team.

Rick Atchley says that God COMMANDED Instrumental Praise for burning the GOATS which Hezekiah substituted for burning of INFANTS.

Ray Downen Christian Church and Rick Atchley "transistioning" to Christian Church.

http://www.piney.com/Ray.Downen.2.Chronicles.29.html

God didn't command sacrifices or Burnt offerings when He saved Israel by Grace. At Mount Sinai they rose up AGAINST God in play: instrumental-trinitarian-perverted idolatry. After God abandoned them the sacrifices came with the defacto-Cannanite or Babylonism. God commanded the Levites to STAND IN RANKS ready to execute any godly Jew who came near any of their Apollon Sun worship rituals. Now see whether you can determine who commanded the instruments to go along with the burnt offerings God did not command:

2Chr. 29:26 A. And the Levites stood with the instruments OF David,
.....B. and the priests with the trumpets.
2Chr. 29:27 And Hezekiah commanded to offer the burnt offering upon the altar.
.....And when the burnt offering began,
.....B. the song of the LORD began also with the trumpets,
.....A. and with the instruments ordained by David king of Israel.


And why do they know that I know that they can NEVER repent and return to the LIVING WORD. So says the Book of Enoch and all of the music examples defined by the prophets as (1) refusing to teach God's Word, and (2) the mark of BURNING.

God gives them a head start so WE and MARK them as they are CONSUMED by the Breath (spirit) of their OWN mouth. Anyone who accepts the MARK can never get it removed. The SIGN of the MARK is:

sēman-tikos , ē, on, ; “rhēma . . phōnē sunthetē s. meta khronou” Id.Po.1457a14
phōn-ē , hē, A.sound, tone, prop., the sound of the voice, whether of men or animals with lungs and throat battle-cry, 15.686; of the battle-cry of an army,
4. of sounds made by inanimate objects, mostly Poet., “kerkidos ph.” S.Fr.595; “suriggōn” E.Tr.127 (lyr.); “aulōn” Mnesim.4.56 (anap.); rare in early Prose, “organōn phōnai” BOASTING

khronos , ho, 3. in Rhythmic and Music, time, “diaireitai ho kh. hupo tōn rhuthmizomenōn”


Don't they boast about making WORSHIP WARS?

For those able to read Revelation Khronos is the grandfather of KAIROS quite busy establishing hoards of new "plants" to do battle against the "traditional sectarians." Of course the NARROW road is the WAY that is called a SECT. Their world view, kosmos or ECUMENICAL is the kingdom of the devil.

In Jeremiah 23 the Spirit OF Christ says that if you SAY that God commanded something and God DID NOT COMMAND SOMETHING then you despise the WORD which is BLASPHEMY.

And all of those seeing GODLINESS AS A MEANS OF FINANCIAL GAIN or Occupation just repeat the rich and famous so THEY can get on the lecture circuit and sell THEIR own WORDS.

So, the drip is back in your court: YOU have to find some "music" concept which has exploded into madness which does not MARK you as a sorcery: David Young CASTS VISIONS and the young preachers are taught how to use "ignatian medittions" to discover what Jesus WOULD have said if He had a degree from Antichrist U.

 
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Mark'em

August 6 2016, 5:59 PM 



Ken is not capable of a straight answer. If Donnie returns I will ask him. Later.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Mark'em

August 6 2016, 6:24 PM 

I let the Bible do my talking. You would be surprised how angry people get when they discover that they have been paying for someone as AUTHORITY who cannot READ and COMPREHEND. If all of the male gender words are SPEAK or READ that which is written for out learning then why would I want to sing silly sentimental poetry which violates both the RESOURCE and the PRESENTATION METHOD God describes ftom A to Z .

You would never have thought about SINGING beyond unison SPEAKING (that commad word) without Alexander Campbell collecting a song book for sale--without notes. The Christian church gained control of His book and turned it into a HARMONY book which has no connection to MELODY which is a series of SINGLE TONES.

There is almost no form of tuneful singing with or without instruments which is not confessed to be HURTFUL intending to send you into dissociation (the Shelly and C. Leonard Allen esctasy) so they can slip their fingers into your money bag.

Since those who Are Purpose Driven Sowers of Discorders needing to "upset your comfort zone" are turning simple singing into a PERFORMED ACT OF WORSHIP, they need to explain why God's message marks them for BURNING.

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Ken Sublett
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Re: Mark'em

August 8 2016, 10:26 AM 

Donnie would like a broader conversation. I only post book-lengths which most will never read.


    
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Dave
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Speak that Which is Written...NOT

August 8 2016, 3:57 PM 

In this last response you mentioned God, and provided plenty of opinion, but NO SCRIPTURE. You mentioned a Greek philosopher, Shelly, Allen, and even Alexander Campbell. You gave your opinion, again and as usual, about purpose driven yada yada and those going to hell for employing any type of music to worship God....but YET and STILL never offered ANY SCRIPTURE to back up your assertion of 'speaking that which is written.' You have been found to be false...again. If you were accusing me of this....you would call me a liar.

Yes, you have been marked.

 
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Re: Mark'em

August 9 2016, 10:26 AM 


 
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Re: Mark'em

August 9 2016, 10:39 AM 



Ken, "The principle of KISS is also applicable here: "Keep it simple, stupid."

That's a Donnie quote. happy.gif

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Mark'em

August 9 2016, 11:05 AM 

Timothy's command to both men and women when we assemble OURSELVES "so that all might be SAFE and come to a knowledge of THE TRUTH."

Keep It Silent Stupid: God is in HIS holy temple

I pile it on and on and on because I have been desperately seeking a SINGLE jot or title which is fire insurance for people who MAKE IT COMPLICATED and EXPENSIVE.

Hab. 2:18 What profiteth the graven image that the maker thereof hath graven it; the molten image, and a teacher of lies, that the maker of his work trusteth therein, to make dumb idols?
Hab. 2:19 Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake [DAVID] to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it.
Hab. 2:20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.


Psalms 57:8 Awake up, my glory; awake, psaltery and harp: I myself will awake early.
Psalms 108:2 Awake, psaltery and harp: I myself will awake early.

 
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Re: Mark'em

August 9 2016, 10:38 AM 

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Re: Mark'em

August 9 2016, 11:29 AM 


Time for a refocus.

"Donnie and Ken are Change Agents in the Church of Christ. They believe congregational singing is a sin.

Donnie and Ken would like to cover and hide this fact."

 
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Re: Mark'em

August 9 2016, 12:54 PM 

Faith comes by hearing the WORD (regulative principle) of God.

If it is not OF faith and you impose it as a Law Then you are a sinner. If you make them pay then you are a robber of widows.

If you say that God COMMANDED any kind of musical performance AS worship.
And God did not command but outlawed that is despising the Word and the Latin translation is BLASPHEMY.




 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Mark'em

August 9 2016, 12:55 PM 

The guilt lies with elders who are not APT for prime time telling the lambs that they should get filled with music meaning "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter" instead of leading them by STILL WATERS and letting the LAMBS eat their own GRASS without any help thank you very much.

All of the LOGOS or Regulative SPEAK words are carefully noted by looking at all historic use of the Word as the OPPOSITE of singing.

We have to wonder where professional religionists ever found any "music" concept connected with the Word of God and literate historic scholars. The Catholics never fell for "congregational singing with or without an organ." The Psalms were CHANTED by the CANTOR or PRECENTOR as the meaning of preaching long before the SERMON was imposed.


 
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Re: Mark'em

August 9 2016, 1:36 PM 

KISS: Keep it simple, stupid.

Simple fact: Some eccentric folks believe that all singing in the assembly is sinful and will send you to hell. That makes about as much sense as believing that changing the time of the worship assembly from 11 AM to 10 AM will send you to hell. There is nothing in the New Testament that explicitly condemns singing in the assembly (or changing the time of the assembly for that matter).

Simple fact: Others see nothing wrong with singing in the assembly, as long as it's not a form of singing designed to showcase the "talents" of the singers.

Simple fact: Some folks fixate on the first portions of Eph. 5:19 and Col. 3:16, which mention speaking to one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs. They stop there and dismiss the remainder of those two verses. Those people believe that speaking rather than singing is the "correct" way to go.

Simple fact: Some folks opposed to singing will erroneously argue that by singing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, we attempt to "teach and admonish" God. Those two verses indicate nothing of the sort.

Simple fact: As those two verses indicate, the psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs serve a dual function: they serve to teach and admonish us as we speak them to ourselves, and they serve to praise God when we sing them respectfully and reverently in the assembly, making melody with grace in our hearts to God.

 
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Re: Mark'em

August 9 2016, 2:16 PM 

I always focus on both parts: Speaking is what one does to TEACH that which is written for our learning.

However. ODE and PSALLO are IN the heart or mind and therefore CANNOT BE HEARD. Straight adults do not sing to their God.

SPEAK or LEXIS is the Opposite and antithesis of ODE which always points to enchantment or sorcery.
PSALLO never in recorded meant "Tuneful Melody" and Bill ignores the MELODY which is a series of single tones not metrical that that time He calls it HARMONY. but harmony in the Greeks means two or more speaking the SAME NOTE: They are HARMONIOUS and you cannot have modern complex harmony without loads of dissonance which causes the Laded Burden or "Spiritual anxiety caused by religious rituals especially the singing and playing of the Pharisees Jesus calls hypocrites by reference to Ezekiel 33.

So, no one is Purpose Driven to even SING that which is written for our learning. As an ACT which must be performed it is legalism and everyone works REALLY HARD to perform.

Psallo has the same root meaning as SOP or twanging a bowstring: even if you SMITE the string of a harp that does NOT have any musical meaning other than a single SOUND

Reading the Bible means understanding parallelism: Paul commands the SPEAKING and excludes the SOUNDS of SORCERY for those who need to be Silent when the WORD of God is being PREACHED by being READ. God communicates only by SPEAK and READ which is the mark of a patriarchal God and not a goddess.

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Ken Sublett
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Re: Mark'em

August 9 2016, 3:41 PM 

I have known few "lay" people who believe that "singing as a act" is commanded or was ever practiced in the assemblies in the Bible. There is no historic scholar until long after the Reformation who defines anything like "tuneful melody" which did not exist before the 19th century.

I have asked a few preachers who confess that there is no command.

Instrumentalists say there is no command to "sing" in the synagogue or church. However, because some people SIN by singing they claim that adding instruments is no greater sin.

There is no recorded history of the word SPEAK ever translated to mean SING. They are as opposite as walking and running. Walkers get disqualified if they hit a running gait.

The only people who promote singing as a religious performance have something to sell and the Greeks and Paul had a word for that.

 
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How Many Marks do you Need???

August 10 2016, 8:01 AM 

SANGING, sole purpose to GLORIFY GOD, is GOOD. There isn't too much that we know about worshiping our God together, formally or informally, other than the few examples in the NT. You can harp and chew on this proposition of not finding scripture for command for sing. That is your lot in life. BUT...God is happy when we SING with our vocal cords and it is from our hearts. Again, you have been marked.

 
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Re: How Many Marks do you Need???

August 10 2016, 1:50 PM 

Those who have PUT ON Jesus in baptism can go boldly before the throne of Grace. We don't need to hire a GLORY LEADER or a PRAISE LEADER to do that. No one can LEAD me into glorifying God unless they follow the ONE PIECE PATTERN which first silences self-pleasure defined as listening to a performer, singing, playing instruments or acting. Only then is the pattern repeated in words which disciple cannot miss.

Rom. 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
Rom. 15:2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification. [EDUCATION]
Rom. 15:3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
Rom. 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning,
that we through patience and COMFORT of the SCRIPTURES might have hope.


The ONE PIECE WORSHIP CONCEPT IS TO GIVE ATTENDANCE TO THE READING AND CONFESSING THE WORD OF GOD. You do not intend to use "that which is written for our learning" out of the OLDEN book.

Rom. 15:5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
Rom. 15:6 That ye may with one MIND and one MOUTH GLORIFY God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom. 15:7 Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the GLORY of God.


http://www.piney.com/RefMLuthRom15.html

7. No one will open his eyes to the fact that mere human devices and doctrines are ensnaring souls, weakening consciences, dissipating Christian liberty and faith, and replenishing hell.

Wolves! wolves! How abominably, awfully, murderous, how harassing and destructive, are these things the world over! This matter of obedience to human doctrine has never been agitated sufficiently to discover weak consciences. No one has opposed in word or act the teachings harmful to them.

Whosoever has deviated from the doctrines has been condemned, and denounced as an apostate, a roving monk, an abandoned Christian.

Thus forcibly have the sheep not only been enfeebled, but driven into the jaws of the wolf. Oh, the wrath, the indignation, the displeasure, of the Divine Majesty!

8. If now, by the mercy of God, these papistical doctrines should be recognized as merely human,

as false and assumed, things God has not commanded;
and if some were to have courage enough to depart from custom in the matter of masses, prayers, garb, meats, and to maintain their Christian liberty according to the Gospel, the two classes referred to would take offense.


Most churches are Performance Driven to PREVENT any glory slipping through to Jesus Who gave them no role and no dole. It is impossible to glorify Jesus Christ when PERFORMING music just to make people think they must KEEP THE LAW OF SINGING.

 
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Re: How Many Marks do you Need???

August 11 2016, 2:11 PM 



Time to focus,



"Donnie and Ken are Change Agents in the Church of Christ. They believe congregational singing is a sin.

Donnie and Ken would like to cover and hide this fact."



Ken, 2,000,000 plus Church of Christ members SING every Sunday. Do you really think you should condemn them?
You say they will burn? Just be honest?

 
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