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Mark'em

August 2 2016 at 5:05 AM
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Donnie and Ken are Change Agents in the Church of Christ. They believe congregational singing is a sin.

Donnie and Ken would like to cover and hide this fact.

Comments welcome!


 
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Re: Mark'em

August 2 2016, 10:32 AM 

They are not demographically similar to what is commonly known as "change agents."

Most every post they do is to slow down change.

 
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Re: Mark'em

August 2 2016, 10:40 AM 

One is pre-1950, more or less, and has a root in sufficiency of Biblical teaching. He is a welcome relief from music-obsessed maniacs.

Another is more reactive to events promoted by "modern change agents." He is right in appraising the great damage done to the church.

A church claiming to be all-inclusive should welcome them in!

 
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Re: Mark'em

August 2 2016, 10:53 AM 

When my kids began to present me with that yellow stuff in the diapers I CHANGED them but not the DIAPEREE nor did I charge them for putting stuff BACK INTO the "washed with water" diaper.

Dan. 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan. 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan. 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change TIMES and LAWS: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan. 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Dan. 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion,
.....and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,
.....shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High,
.....whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
.....and all dominions shall serve and obey him. .


Everyone wants the LAMBS to get baptized with spirit (wind) and fire and they will get their wish.:

Mal. 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger,
..... and he shall prepare the WAY before me:
.....and the Lord, whom ye seek,
.....shall suddenly come to his temple,
.....even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in:
.....behold, he shall come
....., saith the LORD of hosts.


For the World Viewers, the Kosmos, the ecumenical or the kingdom of the Devil spreading hate about sectarians, the Little Flock called OUT of the World, the WAY is called a SECT and it is very narrow and EXclusive.

The VIA is In gen., a way, method, mode, manner, fashion, etc., of doing any thing, course (cf. modus): the right way, the true method, mode, or manner:
rationally and methodically. , the right way, the true method, mode, or manner: “ingressu'st viam going in, entering: in forum: ingressūs hostiles, inroads,

Mal. 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth?
.....for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap:


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Mal. 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver:

..... and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver,
..... that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
Mal. 3:4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD,
.....as in the days of old, and as in former years.
Mal. 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment;
.....and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers,
..... and against the adulterers, and against false swearers,
.....and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless,
.....and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal. 3:6 For I am the LORD, I CHANGE not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. .


Mark speaks of the ARCH or that which holds up the whole New Covenant.

The Kingdom would be for a TINY REMNANT of the Jews left in Jerusalem and the Gentiles who HE would call.

Mark 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy WAY before thee.
Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the WAY [Pattern] of the Lord, make his PATHS [RUTS] straight.
Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Mark 1:5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.


Those who quibble about baptism should not worry. Only those who GLADLY receive HIS WORD will insist on being baptized. They are CHANGED and their spirit is translated into a heavenly klingdom. They are out of reach for anyone who wants to CHANGE the LAWS because they see visions or hear words and have just bought a new house.


 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Mark'em

August 2 2016, 11:34 AM 

Scripture: A church claiming to be all-inclusive should welcome them in!

INCLUSIVE is usually some one who has infiltrated and been HIRED by silly elders with the not-secret agenda to betray all of the teachings for which he was HIRED to do. When Rick Atchley changed his solemn vow after a decade he claimed that "THAT was then but THIS is now."

Inclusive or Ecumenical means EVERYONE is welcomed to stuff the wild pews and anti-christian collection plates but NO ONE IS welcomed to challenge the anointed ones. WE want to be INCLUSIVE so that YOU, silly investor no longer, are allowed to teach.

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WE not wanting to be RACAed with being SECTARIAN would love to say that these people are BIBLICALLY ILLITERATE and Ethically challenged. However Jesus as HOLY SPIRIT (his new state) has Paul tell the UNITY IN DIVERSITY crowd that THEY ARE LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.

When they are ABOMINATING in the pulpit and the Choir Loft it is time (KAIROS) to change them but, alas, from the Book of Enoch and all of the "instrumental" passages in the Bible, their ABOMINATING is not the SIN: it is the MARK of those strongly deluding and not able to stop presenting Lying Wonders made VISIBLE-AUDIBLE by rhetoric, singing, playing instruments or begging for money CLAIMING that these are PROOFS that God is leading them. In fact, Revelation says that maybe God IS Leading them to be CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. They are really busy calling for God's Holy Fire to fall on them so they can see VISIONS and CAST VISIONS and do so supernaturally because they can fool most of the people mot of the time.

They even boast that they have a CROWN already fitted for them but Jude etal says they were FOREORDAINED.


    
This message has been edited by Ken.Sublett from IP address 162.72.85.32 on Aug 2, 2016 11:40 AM


 
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Re: Mark'em

August 2 2016, 12:45 PM 

Script, you may be a lucky one. Ken may provide you with a fire suit! LOL !

 
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Re: Mark'em

August 3 2016, 9:52 AM 



Domestic problems. Will continue discussion when Donnie returns. happy.gif

 
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Ken Sublett
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John Calvin began a RESTORATION MOVEMENT.

August 3 2016, 11:09 AM 

See John Calvin on the need for a Restoration Movement excluding professional preachers.
http://www.piney.com/CalvinProfessPrea.html

I trust I have now clearly shown, as I proposed, that in correcting the corruption of the church, we have by no means been more urgent than the case demanded. Even those who blame us are aware of this, and, accordingly, they have recourse to another charge, namely, that the utmost we have gained by our interference has been to fill the Christian world, which was formerly at peace, with intestine discord --

that so far from any amendment appearing, things have gone on to worse -- that of those who have embraced our doctrine few have been made better, nay, that some have been emboldened, if not to greater, at least to more unrestrained licentiousness.

They object, moreover, that in our churches there is no discipline, no laws of abstinence, no exercises of humility; that the people, thrown loose from the yoke, riot with impunity in vicious courses.

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Extreme.Discipleship.Following.Jesus.html


Lastly, they throw upon us the odium of seizing on the property of ecclesiastics, asserting that our princes have made a rush upon it as if it had been lawful spoil; that in this way the church has been violently and shamefully plundered, and that now the patrimony of the church is possessed indiscriminately by those who, amid the uproar of contention, have usurped it without law or any proper title.

I, for my part, deny not that when impiety reigned, her kingdom was disturbed by us. But if, at the moment when the light of sound and pious doctrine beamed upon the world, all, as in duty bound, had spontaneously, and with ready mind, lent their aid, there would at the present day be no less peace and quietness in all the churches, (the kingdom of Christ flourishing), than in the days when Antichrist tyrannized.

Let those who, it is manifest, impede the course of truth, desist from waging war with Christ, and there will instantly be perfect concord;


or let them desist from throwing
upon us the blame of dissensions, which they themselves excite.


Those who speak in this way understand not that the restoration of the church is the work of God, and no more depends on the hopes and opinions of men, than the resurrection of the dead, or any other miracle of that description.


OF PAYING THOSE AS CHURCH OF CHRIST WERE CALLED "POOR PRIESTS"

For what duties do they perform in return? In the same way as anciently, under the laws, those who served at the altar lived by the altar, "even so hath the Lord ordained, that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel" (1 Cor. 9:14).

These are Paul's words. Let them, then, show us that they are ministers of the gospel, and I will have no difficulty in conceding their right to stipend.

The ox must not be muzzled that treadeth out the corn [1 Cor. 9:9]. But is it not altogether at variance with reason that the ploughing oxen should starve, and the lazy asses be fed?

They will say, however, that they serve at the altar. I answer, that the priests under the law deserved maintenance, by ministering at an altar;

but that, as Paul declares, the case under the New Testament is different. And what are those altar services, for which they allege that maintenance is due to them?

Forsooth, that they may perform their masses and chant in churches, for example, partly labor to no purpose, and partly perpetrate sacrilege, thereby provoking the anger of God. See for what it is that they are alimented at the public expense!

 
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Ken Sublett
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John Calvin began a RESTORATION MOVEMENT.

August 3 2016, 11:15 AM 

See John Calvin on the need for a Restoration Movement excluding professional preachers.

http://www.piney.com/CalvinProfessPrea.html

For where can I exert myself to better purpose or more honestly, where, too, in a matter at this time more necessary, than in attempting, according to my ability,

to aid the Church of Christ, whose claims it is unlawful in any instance to deny, and which is now in grievous distress, and in extreme danger?

I trust I have now clearly shown, as I proposed, that in correcting the corruption of the church, we have by no means been more urgent than the case demanded. Even those who blame us are aware of this, and, accordingly, they have recourse to another charge, namely, that the utmost we have gained by our interference has been to fill the Christian world, which was formerly at peace, with intestine discord --

that so far from any amendment appearing, things have gone on to worse -- that of those who have embraced our doctrine few have been made better, nay, that some have been emboldened, if not to greater, at least to more unrestrained licentiousness.

They object, moreover, that in our churches there is no discipline, no laws of abstinence, no exercises of humility; that the people, thrown loose from the yoke, riot with impunity in vicious courses.

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Extreme.Discipleship.Following.Jesus.html


Lastly, they throw upon us the odium of seizing on the property of ecclesiastics, asserting that our princes have made a rush upon it as if it had been lawful spoil; that in this way the church has been violently and shamefully plundered, and that now the patrimony of the church is possessed indiscriminately by those who, amid the uproar of contention, have usurped it without law or any proper title.

I, for my part, deny not that when impiety reigned, her kingdom was disturbed by us. But if, at the moment when the light of sound and pious doctrine beamed upon the world, all, as in duty bound, had spontaneously, and with ready mind, lent their aid, there would at the present day be no less peace and quietness in all the churches, (the kingdom of Christ flourishing), than in the days when Antichrist tyrannized.

Let those who, it is manifest, impede the course of truth, desist from waging war with Christ, and there will instantly be perfect concord;


or let them desist from throwing
upon us the blame of dissensions, which they themselves excite.


Those who speak in this way understand not that the restoration of the church is the work of God, and no more depends on the hopes and opinions of men, than the resurrection of the dead, or any other miracle of that description.


OF PAYING THOSE AS CHURCH OF CHRIST WERE CALLED "POOR PRIESTS"

For what duties do they perform in return? In the same way as anciently, under the laws, those who served at the altar lived by the altar, "even so hath the Lord ordained, that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel" (1 Cor. 9:14).

These are Paul's words. Let them, then, show us that they are ministers of the gospel, and I will have no difficulty in conceding their right to stipend.

The ox must not be muzzled that treadeth out the corn [1 Cor. 9:9]. But is it not altogether at variance with reason that the ploughing oxen should starve, and the lazy asses be fed?

They will say, however, that they serve at the altar. I answer, that the priests under the law deserved maintenance, by ministering at an altar;

but that, as Paul declares, the case under the New Testament is different. And what are those altar services, for which they allege that maintenance is due to them?

Forsooth, that they may perform their masses and chant in churches, for example, partly labor to no purpose, and partly perpetrate sacrilege, thereby provoking the anger of God. See for what it is that they are alimented at the public expense!

 
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Mark'em

August 3 2016, 11:35 AM 



Ken, this is hilarious. Are you trying to bury something? When will Donnie return? happy.gif

 
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Ken Sublett
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Instrumental Music Intends to Destroy

August 3 2016, 11:50 AM 

Here is a collecting I am working on with Dianne.

http://www.piney.com/Instrumental.Music.Intends.to.Destroy.html

Maybe he went into mental overload listening to the "Praze Sanging." I saved myself first by turning off my hearing aids but finally had to retreat to the foyer where we had a fairly large band of exiles.

Donnie doesn't check with me! He doesn't have younger children but everyone seems missing just before school opens. Stats go way down just after beginning and ending of spring vacation. When I worked for Honeywell they just shut down everything for two weeks.


 
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Re: Instrumental Music Intends to Destroy

August 3 2016, 4:06 PM 


I think I may be the only sane one here! ROLL TIDE!

 
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Re: Instrumental Music Intends to Destroy

August 3 2016, 4:25 PM 

True but can you read BLACK text on BROWN paper.

We are in the midst of purging a large farm house: collected stuff from childhood and 59 years of marriage. Books and toys and musical instruments from children and grandchildren and dresses my wife wore in highschool.

When we turn socialists I would like someone to demand that you get a certificate of need if you buy a book or an antique radio.

I showed a local preacher my stack on instrumental music about 2 feet high.

And I showed him about a foot pro and con on the Holy Spirit Person.

You get old before you crawl out of the stupor to discover that without exception all of the latest books just COPY the same list of passage titles but never the passage used by all other books.

If you climb to the height of incompetency as a theologian you still cannot quote context or word definitions or read a whole thought pattern.

 
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Mark'em

August 3 2016, 10:49 PM 



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Re: Mark'em

August 3 2016, 11:08 PM 

Job 20:2 Therefore do my thoughts cause me to answer, and for this I make haste.
Job 20:3 I have heard the CHECK of my reproach, and the spirit of my understanding causeth me to answer.
Job 20:4 Knowest thou not this of old, since man was placed upon earth,
Job 20:5 That the triumphing [singing-shouting] of the wicked is short,
and the joy of the hypocrite [speaker, singer, instrument player] but for a moment?
Job 20:6 Though his excellency mount up to the heavens, and his head reach unto the clouds;


 
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Re Drip Drip

August 5 2016, 2:14 AM 

My computer automatically changes the check mark color to Orange. Go Big Orange!! Maybe this year.

 
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Re: Re Drip Drip

August 5 2016, 9:46 AM 

Mine Too.

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Re: Mark'em

August 5 2016, 3:00 PM 



King James Version
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

 
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Re: Re Drip Drip

August 5 2016, 3:15 PM 



Ken, the color is about right, how about the consistency?

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Who is to be MARKED?

August 5 2016, 4:18 PM 

Their color is YELLOWbecause they won't even respond when you simply define words like Hypocrites or Parasites. When people are purpose driven to infiltrate and diverty your church they come prepared to switch blame. History notes that from the time any singing was introduced c 373 onward most of the Sowing of Discord has been over "musical styles" and the Devil makes them do it because God just forgot to supply anything tuneful. Beginning with J.W. McGarven in his own church if he objected to installing an ORGAN that would be SOWING DISCORD and that "fellowhship" thing ended.

No one who has taken the mark of the BEAST meaning "A new style of music or Satyric Drama" is never going to be discorded by quoting Scripture and History. So just relax: when you broke them you owned them and there is "no turning back."

thērion Sicinnis, a dance of Satyrs used in the Satyric drama
III. as a term of reproach, beast, creature kolax lisping
“hē mousikē aei ti kainon thērion tiktei”
C. kainos , esp. of new dramas, the representation of the new tragedies, (Aphrodisias dedicated to Aphrodite (ZOE); comedy, sexual love, pleasure, a woman's form of oath, Aster or Venus or ZOE Lucifer


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