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Discussion Question: Is it okay to smoke weed before church??

September 7 2016 at 7:15 PM
lettheearthbesilent  (Login lettheearthbesilent)
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Not for recreational purposes, but if it's part of your PTSD treatment, or other medical treatment?

Scriptural Verifications (all KJV):

Proverbs 15:17

Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith.

Genesis 1:12

And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Hebrews 6:7

For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

Ezekiel 27:17

Judah, and the land of Israel, they were thy merchants: they traded in thy market wheat of Minnith, and Pannag, and honey, and oil, and balm.

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Re: Discussion Question: Is it okay to smoke weed before church??

September 8 2016, 5:20 PM 

Can't you get the medical benefit with oil or other forms?

Growing up we always had a Smoking Break: we had intercession between assembly and Sunday School and many of the men retreated to the yard for a FIX on one of the most addictive, destructive drugs.

A doctor friend told me that lots of church performers were on a tranquilizer in order to get through the Laded Burden defined as "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals."

A large percentage of the audience are on antidepressants and the wrath or orgy of arousal singing is historically documented as damaging to a large percentage of people.

Lynn Anderson's "Navigating the winds of change" uses words identical to that of WICCA. David Young does VISION CASTING which clearly includes the Discipling Dilema of Small-Group CIRCLES.

Witchcraft: "Pacing is absolutely critical here, because this is the main "POWER RAISING" for your ceremony. The folks who plan to offer Praise should show their material to everyone during REHEARSAL, or at least to the presiding clergy beforehand, so that the best possible PERFORMANCE order be WORKED out ahead of time. Then people can be called upon to offer their Praises in such an order as to generate the greatest possible amount of ENERGY. (Fred Peatross and Witchcraft calls this creating the VORTEX).

Lynn Anderson's Hope Network is promoted by Jimmy Adcox working with David Young and the North Boulevard Elders. David Young uses VISION CASTING to get a 20/20 vision published as probably the worst document a Holy God has ever read.

Lynn Anderson in Navigating the Winds of Change: The worship team led directly from one song to the next without interruption, intentionally moving the tone and content of worship in a specific direction, gathering the congregation into the momentum of the experience. A few songs included clapping and one or two worshipers actually lifted holy hands." Several short Scripture readings moved quickly from

Lynn Anderson speaks for the LATTER REIGN (in Shelly's Words). He quotes Lynn Anderson MOCKING the Logos or Regulative Principle which Spiritual-Logical-Rational.

Lynn Anderson: Sounds right to me, Mr. Huxley! Something like this can happen to faith as well. The rational, informational, and linear-sequential worlds of productivity tend to dominate in our lives these days. Consequently, the rest of our worlds suffer neglect, and we are losing touch with much of what it means to believe.

The rest of the story told by Huxley includes just this:

"Abused as WE ABUSE it at present, dramatic art is in no sense cathartic; it is merely a form of emotional masturbation. It is the rarest thing to find a player who has not had his character affected for the worse by the practice of his profession.

Nobody can make a habit of self-exhibition, nobody can exploit his personality for the sake of exercising a kind of hypnotic power over others, and remain untouched by the process.

That is why up to 2/3 of the OWNERS cast themselves out of their own synagogue without ever looking back.

Pi.N.7.81 Pindar, Nemean Odes 7

The rich man and the poor man alike travel together to the boundary of death. [20] And I expect that the story of Odysseus came to exceed his experiences, through the sweet songs of Homer
[22] since there is a certain solemnity in his lies and winged artfulness,
and poetic skill deceives, seducing us with stories,
and the heart of the mass of men is blind.
For if [25] they had been able to see the truth, then mighty Aias, in anger over the arms, would never have planted in his chest the smooth sword—Aias, who was the most powerful in battle,

So, maybe a bit of weed can protect you from spiritual abuse?

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Re: Discussion Question: Is it okay to smoke weed before church??

September 9 2016, 12:47 PM 

Anyone SELLING their body parts as turning School of the Word into a Musical ORGY (Paul used the word WRATH) is smoking Fire and Brimstone:

The passage quoted:

Psalm 112King James Version (KJV)

112 Praise ye the Lord. Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord, that delighteth greatly in his commandments.

2 His seed shall be mighty upon earth: the generation of the upright shall be blessed.

3 Wealth and riches shall be in his house: and his righteousness endureth for ever.

4 Unto the upright there ariseth light in the darkness: he is gracious, and full of compassion, and righteous.

5 A good man sheweth favour, and lendeth: he will guide his affairs with discretion.

6 Surely he shall not be moved for ever: the righteous shall be in everlasting remembrance.

7 He shall not be afraid of evil tidings: his heart is fixed, trusting in the Lord.

8 His heart is established, he shall not be afraid, until he see his desire upon his enemies.

9 He hath dispersed, he hath given to the poor; his righteousness endureth for ever; his horn shall be exalted with honour.

10 The wicked shall see it, and be grieved; he shall gnash with his teeth, and melt away: the desire of the wicked shall perish.

Psalm 35:14 I behaved myself as though he had been my friend or brother: I bowed down heavily, as one that mourneth for his mother.
Psa. 35:15 But in mine adversity they rejoiced, and gathered [ASAPH] themselves together: yea, the abjects gathered themselves together against me, and I knew it not; they did tear me, and ceased not:
Psa. 35:16 With hypocritical MOCKERS in feasts, they gnashed upon me with their teeth.

Isa 57:4 Against whom do ye sport yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood,

ludo to Esp., to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song: “ludere quae vellem calamo permisit agresti,” “quod tenerae cantent, lusit tua musa, puellae,” id. Am. 3, 1, 27: “coloni Versibus incomptis ludunt,” Verg. G. 2, 386: “carmina pastorum
B. to sport, dally, wanton (cf. "amorous play,"
“ludere opus,” to imitate work, make believe work,

David never performed as a MUSICAL PRAISE LEADER. Indeed there is nothing more of an abomination than shirkers wanting to HIRE ON as a "Musical Praise Leader." We will compose, rehearse, file all week so that we can be a PERFORMER which is the Spirit OF Christ's name for a HYPOCRITE. In all pagan religions they were called PARASITES.

Psalm 119 -- one of your favorites -- follows up proving that only I can praise God without a HIRELING PRAISE LEADER as THE OLDEST profession.

Psa 119:1 BLESSED are the undefiled in the way,
.....who walk in the law of the Lord.

Psa 119:2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies,
..... and that seek him with the whole heart.

Psa 119:3 They also do no iniquity:
..... they walk in his ways.

Psa 119:4 Thou hast commanded us
..... to keep thy precepts diligently.

Psa 119:5 O that my ways
..... were directed to keep thy statutes

Psa 119:6 Then shall I not be ashamed,
..... when I have respect unto all thy commandments.

Psa 119:7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart,
..... when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.

Psa 119:8 I will keep thy statutes:
..... O forsake me not utterly.

Psa 119:9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way?
..... by taking heed thereto according to thy word.

Psa 119:10 With my whole heart have I sought thee:
..... O let me not wander from thy commandments.

Psa 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart,
..... that I might not sin against thee.

Psa 119:12 Blessed art thou, O Lord:
..... teach me thy statutes.

Psa 119:13 With my lips have
..... I declared all the judgments of thy mouth.

Psa 119:14 I have rejoiced [sing] in the way of thy testimonies,
..... as much as in all riches.

Psa 119:15 I will meditate in thy precepts,
..... and have respect unto thy ways.

Psa 119:16 I will delight myself in thy statutes:
..... I will not forget thy word.

Psa 119:17 Deal bountifully with thy servant,
..... that I may live, and keep thy word.

Psa 119:18 Open thou mine eyes,
..... that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.

Psa 119:19 I am a STRANGER in the earth: *
..... hide not thy commandments from me.

"Thomas" has Jesus saying

28 Jesus said, "I took my stand in the midst of the world, and in flesh I appeared to them.

I found them all drunk,
.....and I did not find any of them thirsty.

My soul ached for the children of humanity,
.....because they are blind in their hearts and do not see,

for they came into the world empty,
.....and they also seek to depart from the world empty.

But meanwhile they are drunk. When they shake off their wine, then they will change their ways."

49 Jesus said,

"Congratulations to those who are alone and chosen,
.....for you will find the kingdom.

For you have come from it,
.....and you will return there again."

Psa 119:20 My soul breaketh for the longing that it hath
..... unto thy judgments at all times.

Psa 119:21 Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed,
..... which do err from thy commandments.

Psa 119:22 Remove from me reproach and contempt;
..... for I have kept thy testimonies.

Psa 119:23 Princes also did sit and speak against me:
..... but thy servant did meditate in thy statutes.

Psa 119:24 Thy testimonies also are my delight
..... and my counsellors.

Psa 119:25 My soul cleaveth unto the dust:
..... quicken thou me according to thy word.

Psa 119:26 I have declared my ways, and thou heardest me:
..... teach me thy statutes.

Psa 119:27 Make me to understand the way of thy precepts:
..... so shall I talk of thy wondrous works.

Psa 119:28 My soul melteth for heaviness:
..... strengthen thou me according unto thy word.

Psa 119:29 Remove from me the way of lying:
..... and grant me thy law graciously.

Psa 119:30 I have chosen the way of truth:
..... thy judgments have I laid before me.

Psa 119:31 I have stuck unto thy testimonies:
..... O Lord, put me not to shame.

Psa 119:32 I will run the way of thy commandments,
..... when thou shalt enlarge my heart.

Psa 119:33 Teach me, O Lord, the way of thy statutes;
..... and I shall keep it unto the end.

Psa 119:34 Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea,
..... I shall observe it with my whole heart.

Psa 119:35 Make me to go in the path of thy commandments;
..... for therein do I delight.

Psa 119:36 Incline my heart unto thy testimonies,
..... and not to covetousness.

Psa 119:37 Turn away mine eyes from beholding vanity;
..... and quicken thou me in thy way.

Psa 119:38 Stablish thy word unto thy servant,
..... who is devoted to thy fear.

Psa 119:39 Turn away my reproach which I fear:
..... for thy judgments are good.

Psa 119:40 Behold, I have longed after thy precepts:
..... quicken me in thy righteousness.

Psa 119:41 Let thy mercies come also unto me, O Lord,
..... even thy salvation, according to thy word.

Psa 119:42 So shall I have wherewith to answer him
..... that reproacheth me: for I trust in thy word.

Psa 119:43 And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth;
..... for I have hoped in thy judgments.

Psa 119:44 So shall I keep thy law
..... continually for ever and ever.

Psa 119:45 And I will walk at liberty:
..... for I seek thy precepts.

Psa 119:46 I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings,
..... and will not be ashamed.

Psa 119:47 And I will delight myself in thy commandments,
..... which I have loved.

Psa 119:48 My hands also will I lift up unto thy commandments,
..... which I have loved; and I will meditate in thy statutes.

Psa 119:49 Remember the word unto thy servant,
..... upon which thou hast caused me to hope.

Psa 119:50 This is my comfort in my affliction:
..... for thy word hath quickened me.

Psa 119:51 The proud have had me greatly in derision:
..... yet have I not declined from thy law.

Psa 119:52 I remembered thy judgments of old, O Lord;
..... and have comforted myself.

Psa 119:53 Horror hath taken hold upon me
..... because of the wicked that forsake thy law.

Psa 119:54 Thy statutes have been my songs
..... in the house of my pilgrimage. *

Psa 119:55 I have remembered thy name, O Lord,
..... in the night, and have kept thy law.

Psa 119:56 This I had, because I kept thy precepts.

Psa 119:57 Thou art my portion, O Lord:
..... I have said that I would keep thy words.

Psa 119:58 I intreated thy favour with my whole heart:
..... be merciful unto me according to thy word.

Psa 119:59 I thought on my ways,
..... and turned my feet unto thy testimonies.

Psa 119:60 I made haste,
..... and delayed not to keep thy commandments.

Psa 119:61 The bands of the wicked have robbed me:
..... but I have not forgotten thy law.

Psa 119:62 At midnight I will rise to give thanks unto thee
..... because of thy righteous judgments.

Psa 119:63 I am a companion of all them that fear thee,
..... and of them that keep thy precepts.

Psa 119:64 The earth, O Lord, is full of thy mercy;
..... teach me thy statutes.

Psa 119:65 Thou hast dealt well with thy servant,
..... O Lord, according unto thy word.

Psa 119:66 Teach me good judgment and knowledge:
..... for I have believed thy commandments.

Psa 119:67 Before I was afflicted I went astray:
..... but now have I kept thy word.

Psa 119:68 Thou art good, and doest good:
..... teach me thy statutes.

Psa 119:69 The proud have forged a lie against me:
..... but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart.

Psa 119:70 Their heart is as fat as grease;
..... but I delight in thy law.

Psa 119:71 It is good for me that I have been afflicted;
..... that I might learn thy statutes.

Psa 119:72 The law of thy mouth is better unto me
..... than thousands of gold and silver.

Psa 119:73 Thy hands have made me and fashioned me:
..... give me understanding, that I may learn thy commandments.

Psa 119:74 They that fear thee will be glad when they see me;
..... because I have hoped in thy word.

Psa 119:75 I know, O Lord, that thy judgments are right,
..... and that thou in faithfulness hast afflicted me.

Psa 119:76 Let, I pray thee, thy merciful kindness be for my comfort,
..... according to thy word unto thy servant.

Psa 119:77 Let thy tender mercies come unto me,
..... that I may live: for thy law is my delight.

Psa 119:78 Let the proud be ashamed;
..... for they dealt perversely with me without a cause:
..... but I will meditate in thy precepts.

Psa 119:79 Let those that fear thee turn unto me,
..... and those that have known thy testimonies.

Psa 119:80 Let my heart be sound in thy statutes;
..... that I be not ashamed.

Psa 119:81 My soul fainteth for thy salvation:
..... but I hope in thy word.

Psa 119:82 Mine eyes fail for thy word, saying,
..... When wilt thou comfort me?

Psa 119:83 For I am become like a bottle in the smoke;
..... yet do I not forget thy statutes.

Psa 119:84 How many are the days of thy servant?
..... when wilt thou execute judgment on them that persecute me?

Psa 119:85 The proud have digged pits for me,
..... which are not after thy law.

Psa 119:86 All thy commandments are faithful:
..... they persecute me wrongfully; help thou me.

Psa 119:87 They had almost consumed me upon earth;
..... but I forsook not thy precepts.

Psa 119:88 Quicken me after thy lovingkindness;
..... so shall I keep the testimony of thy mouth.

Psa 119:89 For ever, O Lord,
..... thy word is settled in heaven.

Psa 119:90 Thy faithfulness is unto all generations:
..... thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.

Psa 119:91 They continue this day according to thine ordinances:
..... for all are thy servants.

Psa 119:92 Unless thy law had been my delights,
..... I should then have perished in mine affliction.

Psa 119:93 I will never forget thy precepts:
..... for with them thou hast quickened me.

Psa 119:94 I am thine, save me;
..... for I have sought thy precepts.

Psa 119:95 The wicked have waited for me to destroy me:
..... but I will consider thy testimonies.

Psa 119:96 I have seen an end of all perfection:
..... but thy commandment is exceeding broad.

Psa 119:97 O how love I thy law
..... it is my meditation all the day.

Psa 119:98 Thou through thy commandments
..... hast made me wiser than mine enemies:
..... for they are ever with me.

Psa 119:99 I have more understanding than all my teachers:
..... for thy testimonies are my meditation.

Psa 119:100 I understand more than the ancients,
..... because I keep thy precepts.

Psa 119:101 I have refrained my feet from every evil way,
..... that I might keep thy word.

Psa 119:102 I have not departed from thy judgments:
..... for thou hast taught me.

Psa 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste!
..... yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

Psa 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding:
..... therefore I hate every false way.

Psa 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet,
..... and a light unto my path.

Psa 119:106 I have sworn, and I will perform it,
..... that I will keep thy righteous judgments.

Psa 119:107 I am afflicted very much:
..... quicken me, O Lord, according unto thy word.

Psa 119:108 Accept, I beseech thee,
..... the freewill offerings of my mouth,
..... O Lord, and teach me thy judgments.

Psa 119:109 My soul is continually in my hand:
..... yet do I not forget thy law.

Psa 119:110 The wicked have laid a snare for me:
.....yet I erred not from thy precepts.

Psa 119:111 Thy testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever:
..... for they are the rejoicing of my heart.

Psa 119:112 I have inclined mine heart
..... to perform thy statutes alway, even unto the end.

Psa 119:113 I hate vain thoughts:
..... but thy law do I love.

Psa 119:114 Thou art my hiding place and my shield:
..... I hope in thy word.

Psa 119:115 Depart from me, ye evildoers:
..... for I will keep the commandments of my God.

Psa 119:116 Uphold me according unto thy word, that I may live:
..... and let me not be ashamed of my hope.

Psa 119:117 Hold thou me up, and I shall be safe:
..... and I will have respect unto thy statutes continually.

Psa 119:118 Thou hast trodden down all them that err from thy statutes:
..... for their deceit is falsehood.

Psa 119:119 Thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross:
..... therefore I love thy testimonies.

Psa 119:120 My flesh trembleth for fear of thee;
..... and I am afraid of thy judgments.

Psa 119:121 I have done judgment and justice:
..... leave me not to mine oppressors.

Psa 119:122 Be surety for thy servant for good:
..... let not the proud oppress me.

Psa 119:123 Mine eyes fail for thy salvation,
..... and for the word of thy righteousness.

Psa 119:124 Deal with thy servant according unto thy mercy,
..... and teach me thy statutes.

Psa 119:125 I am thy servant; give me understanding,
..... that I may know thy testimonies.

Psa 119:126 It is time for thee, Lord, to work:
..... for they have made void thy law.

Psa 119:127 Therefore I love thy commandments above gold;
..... yea, above fine gold.

Psa 119:128 Therefore I esteem all thy precepts
..... concerning all things to be right;
..... and I hate every false way.

Psa 119:129 Thy testimonies are wonderful:
..... therefore doth my soul keep them.

Psa 119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth light;
..... it giveth understanding unto the simple.

Psa 119:131 I opened my mouth, and panted:
..... for I longed for thy commandments.

Psa 119:132 Look thou upon me, and be merciful unto me,
..... as thou usest to do unto those that love thy name.

Psa 119:133 Order my steps in thy word:
..... and let not any iniquity have dominion over me.

Psa 119:134 Deliver me from the oppression of man:
..... so will I keep thy precepts.

Psa 119:135 Make thy face to shine upon thy servant;
..... and teach me thy statutes.

Psa 119:136 Rivers of waters run down mine eyes,
..... because they keep not thy law.

Psa 119:137 Righteous art thou, O Lord,
..... and upright are thy judgments.

Psa 119:138 Thy testimonies that thou hast commanded
..... are righteous and very faithful.

Psa 119:139 My zeal hath consumed me,
..... because mine enemies have forgotten thy words.

Psa 119:140 Thy word is very pure:
..... therefore thy servant loveth it.

Psa 119:141 I am small and despised:
..... yet do not I forget thy precepts.

Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness,
..... and thy law is the truth.

Psa 119:143 Trouble and anguish have taken hold on me:
..... yet thy commandments are my delights.

Psa 119:144 The righteousness of thy testimonies is everlasting:
..... give me understanding, and I shall live.

Psa 119:145 I cried with my whole heart; hear me, O Lord:
..... I will keep thy statutes.

Psa 119:146 I cried unto thee;
..... save me, and I shall keep thy testimonies.

Psa 119:147 I prevented the dawning of the morning, and cried:
..... I hoped in thy word.

Psa 119:148 Mine eyes prevent the night watches,
..... that I might meditate in thy word.

Psa 119:149 Hear my voice according unto thy lovingkindness:
..... O Lord, quicken me according to thy judgment.

Psa 119:150 They draw nigh that follow after mischief:
..... they are far from thy law.

Psa 119:151 Thou art near, O Lord;
..... and all thy commandments are truth.

Psa 119:152 Concerning thy testimonies,
..... I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.

Psa 119:153 Consider mine affliction, and deliver me:
..... for I do not forget thy law.

Psa 119:154 Plead my cause, and deliver me:
..... quicken me according to thy word.

Psa 119:155 Salvation is far from the wicked: f
..... or they seek not thy statutes.

Psa 119:156 Great are thy tender mercies, O Lord:
..... quicken me according to thy judgments.

Psa 119:157 Many are my persecutors and mine enemies;
..... yet do I not decline from thy testimonies.

Psa 119:158 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved;
..... because they kept not thy word.

Psa 119:159 Consider how I love thy precepts:
..... quicken me, O Lord, according to thy lovingkindness.

Psa 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning:
..... and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Psa 119:161 Princes have persecuted me without a cause:
..... but my heart standeth in awe of thy word.

Psa 119:162 I rejoice at thy word,
..... as one that findeth great spoil.

Psa 119:163 I hate and abhor lying:
..... but thy law do I love.

Psa 119:164 Seven times a day do I praise thee
..... because of thy righteous judgments.

Psa 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law:
..... and nothing shall offend them.

Psa 119:166 Lord, I have hoped for thy salvation,
..... and done thy commandments.

Psa 119:167 My soul hath kept thy testimonies;
..... and I love them exceedingly.

Psa 119:168 I have kept thy precepts and thy testimonies:
..... for all my ways are before thee.

Psa 119:169 Let my cry come near before thee, O Lord:
..... give me understanding according to thy word.

Psa 119:170 Let my supplication come before thee:
..... deliver me according to thy word.

Psa 119:171 My lips shall utter praise,
..... when thou hast taught me thy statutes.

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word:
..... for all thy commandments are righteousness.

Psa 119:173 Let thine hand help me;
..... for I have chosen thy precepts.

Psa 119:174 I have longed for thy salvation,
..... O Lord; and thy law is my delight.

Psa 119:175 Let my soul live, and it shall praise thee;
..... and let thy judgments help me.

Psa 119:176 I have gone astray like a lost sheep;
..... seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

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Re: Discussion Question: Is it okay to smoke weed before church??

September 10 2016, 2:07 AM 

Hello, oil rig!

We certainly welcome you here (although this is one of those "moderated forums"). The forum is moderated, but deleting posts hardly occurs and editing is very infrequent (may be necessary to remove vicious remarks). Admittedly, I kinda miss the old "faithsite" -- I recall your presence there and even responded to some of your posts.

Got your message from another thread: "All good here, enjoying my beach house in an exclusive neighborhood, going almost daily with a pretty babe and lots of medical marijuana."

Maybe I should be a partaker happy.gif ... but I'm fortunate enough not to be in need of medication. Just for information: the prescription name for the weed is what?

Is your question about smoking the prescribed weed until the singing of the first praise song begins?

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