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Richard Logan
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RE: Quest

October 21 2016, 7:13 PM 

Finish the verse Ken...Singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord. Don't give me grief about this being silent, because it is not. To call all men that sing "effeminate" is a bit of a stretch Ken. You'd not find one single person, who knows me, that would dare call me that, and I love to sing more than anything else I do. You just don't like singing, and thats ok, but don't deny the rest of us that joy.

I'm certainly glad I was never a member of a COC where you, or someone like you, served as an elder; there would have been big problems. It's legalistic folks like you that have "ran off" many church members over the years. Unlike 50 years ago, we have a better educated population that can actually read, for content, and draw their own conclusions. Read the bible Ken, and do what it says, you'd likely come off your "high-horse" about lots of things.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Music as a Laded Burden and Brain Damage

October 21 2016, 8:22 PM 

Time magazine:

http://www.piney.com/MuTimeBrain.html

When you ENJOY something you are under some enfluence: Scripture and recorded history mark music as a very unnatural state triggering "fight, flight or sexual impulses."

I have quoted the last part of Ephesians 5 and Colossions 3 many times: If you don't grasp the first part which in Romans 15 is speak that which is written for our learning there isn't much reason to try to explain that:

ODE (opposite to sing) and PSALLO (a warfare word) is IN THE HEART. I missed everything in grammar but prepositions and that IN THE HEART is a PLACE which is necessary if you intend to TEACH the BIBLICAL TEXT.

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If SPEAK is the opposite of SING it is obvious that both are not vocal at the same time. Why impose something when you are claiming to let Jesus Speak when you sing or listen to music 167 hours a week. You cannot "use that which is written for your learning" and sing your own songs for your own pleasure at the same time. That is why most opt to IGNORE the Scriptures for our Comfort (Romans 15) so they can sing their own songs. That is not the SIN in the primary sense but the MARK that you intend to make Jesus dumb all week. At the same time Jesus pleads even with the apostles "could you not tarry with ME for one hour?" Then and now the answer is OF COURSE NOT, silly/

People who sing as an act of worship have every intention of of silencing THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN FOR OUR LEARNING.

My "effeminate" comment applies to anyone who would exhibit themselves and their motions and emotions for HIRE claiming the Name of the Lord as their Commanded Act of Worship. Legalism is applied ONLY to speakers, singers or instrument players engaging themselves and others in hard work:

Nomos: II. melody, strain, oida d' ornichôn nomôs pantôn Alcm.67 ; n. hippios Pi.O. 1.101 ; Apollôn hageito pantoiôn n. Id.N.5.25; n. polemikoi Th.5.69 ; epêlalaxan Arai ton oxun n. A.Th.952 (lyr.); krektoi n. S.Fr. 463 , cf. AP9.584: metaph., tous Haidou

2. esp. a type of early melody created by Terpander for the lyre as an accompaniment to Epic texts, n. orthios Hdt.1.24 ; n. Boiôtios S.Fr.966 ; n. kitharôidikoi Ar.Ra.1282 , cf. Pl.Lg.700d, Arist.Po.1447b26, Pr.918b13, etc.; also for the flute, n. aulôidikos Plu.2.1132d ; without sung text, n. aulêtikos ib.1133d, cf. 138b, Poll.4.79; later, composition including both words and melody


You may ENJOY but Paul outlawed SELF-PLEASURE in Romans 15 so that the Word could be SPOKEN or READ for LEARNING.

You may enjoy the highly complex and legally defined and performed "church style" of complex harmony which is NOT melody but you may not have noticed that the overwhelming masses of people do not find what Jesus called a laded burden or "spiritual anxiety created by a religious ritual which includes singing and collecting taxes" entertainment. In fact one way to STOP the role of the Church and keeping the masses out is to abrade their inherited mental constitution with such LADED BURDENS.

Please note that even one voice can shatter a glass and multiply mind-scrambling harmony (not melody) by hundreds or thousands sing the SAME and DIFFERENT notes at the same time and be happy that OSHA doesn't have the nerve to stop it. It hurts for years but when it HITS it hits with a vengeance and causes MOST of us to flee for our lives to the defacto sounds of a Saber-toothed tiger screaming just behind you in the dark.>

Consider the following three types of damage that takes place in our bodies under exposure to loud volume.

First, loud volume slows down our ability to memorize and do other brain functions by constricting the flow of blood to the brain. In the words of Dr. Arnold Scheivel, professor of medicine at UCLA and an expert on brain growth, "If there is a bottom line, it is that no neuron is healthier than the capillary that supplies it.


Music derived from mystery MEANS and was used "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter" including Jesus."

We have a very strong feeling that in the capillary supply system is the story of the maintenance or slow decline of the brain." How does volume effect blood supply? The blood vessels undergo a narrowing of caliber in the presence of loud sound. This narrowing decreases the flow of blood to the different parts of the body, including the mind. A person studying under the influence of loud music has a decrease in the amount of blood flowing to the brain. This makes it more difficult to memorize and to understand their studies.

Second, loud music can cause a form of schizophrenia. When a person is exposed to high level sound, a chemical is formed in the brain that is normally found in schizophrenia patients in mental institutions. A music therapist, investigating the effects of loud music, gave an emotional stability test to 240 teenagers while they listened to music.

A psychologist, who was unaware of how it was given, examined the results and determined that the test had been given in a mental institution.

Martin Polo, the director of Audio Visual Services at UCLA and noise consultant for the aerospace industry and related technologies writes, "Lastly, the presence of continued exposure to high level sound can trigger psychopathological impacts on individuals."

These impacts can range from depressions noted among females during the menstrual period to actual presence in the brain of chemicals normally found in schizophrenia and psychosis. There are a number of other interesting reaction to the presence of high level sound which involve the brain, including interference with vision.

Third, loud music can cause ulcers. When susceptible individuals are exposed to loud sound over a period of time, certain stomach functions are disrupted and an increase of hydrochloric acid is released, causing ulceration of the stomach. Martin Polon of UCLA writes, "The continuing exposure to high energy sound creates a stress reaction in the body that significantly involves the gastrointestinal system. Certain stomach functions are disrupted by abnormal contractions of the abdominal area, and increased infusion of hydrochloric acid causing dyspepsia. Recurring activation of this syndrome will lead to peptic ulceration in susceptible individuals.


When people decide to CHANGE people's theology and treatment of parents and elders they take them to retreats where "Christian Rock and Roll" is performed.

So, enjoy your singing: You have another 167 hours a week and do not have to HINDER the power of the WORD of God or logos which PROHIIBITS sidtracking the rational-spiritual brain when JESUS promises to be out teacher when you have an APT elder. It is very probable that abusive elders and people who EXIT do not know that their brains have been deluded by the very "music" the EX people want to impost ten-fold.




    
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Ken Sublett
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Re: QUEST

October 14 2016, 1:25 PM 

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Ken Sublett
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Re: QUEST

October 16 2016, 7:07 PM 

Note comment on page 2.

 
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Donnie
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Re: QUEST

October 16 2016, 7:55 PM 

Ken, how did Dave learn your style of posting [see above] so quickly? happy.gif

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: QUEST

October 16 2016, 10:07 PM 

I must have thought that I was Dave: bad things plague your mind when you get old!!

 
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Donnie
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Re: QUEST

October 16 2016, 10:37 PM 

Actually, it's not a bad idea for Dave to learn more from you. He's already done it, e.g., when he quotes you: "teach that which has been taught." But more importantly, in Dave's case, constant practice would be necessary -- teach that which Christ and the apostles taught.

It appears that the network's forum editor creates such a problem in certain situations. It's happened to me a few times before especially when it automatically picks up the top line when "Your Name" has a list of names.

Dave may disagree with you in saying that when you think you're Dave it is a bad thing. happy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gif

Now, back to the topic of QUEST.

 
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Dave
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Happy Happy Happy

October 17 2016, 11:05 AM 

Whatever makes you happy Donnie, I am for it! Ya get the man upset and he will edit and delete.

 
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Donnie
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Re: Happy Happy Happy

October 18 2016, 12:59 AM 

Ken teaches that which has been taught by Christ and the apostles; he speaks that which is written.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Happy Happy Happy

October 18 2016, 10:10 AM 

You have to get really old to stop thinking and just "Cut-N-Paste". Jesus said that will get you hated just as He never spoke ON HIS OWN: He said that the sons of the Devil do that.

Some posts just don't pass the smell test.


    
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Dave
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Wrong Today Wrong Tomorrow

October 20 2016, 1:41 PM 

Donnie said "Ken teaches that which has been taught by Christ and the apostles; he speaks that which is written."


Just because you say it over and over it doesn't mean it is true. It has been shown, Donnie, and proved, Donnie, over and over that you aren't speaking the truth about Ken 'speaking that which is written.' Same for you. You and he both distort and TRY and change the Word of God to suit your needs.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: QUEST

October 20 2016, 2:33 PM 

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Dave
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Heaven to SOME Will not be ENYOYABLE

October 24 2016, 4:01 PM 

Ken said "When you ENJOY something you are under some enfluence: Scripture and recorded history mark music as a very unnatural state triggering "fight, flight or sexual impulses.""

That is not the truth. THAT, is an opinion, and nothing more. It will never and has never been substatiated with the Word of God. If God will use singing POSITIVELY, then it has to be a GOOD THING.


"The LORD your God is with you,
he is mighty to save.
He will take great delight in you,
he will quiet you with his love,
he will rejoice over you with singing." Zeph.3:17


Ken is just one of those 'negative Nellys' that doesn't care for JOY in anything. He may JUST BE very dissapointed in heaven.

 
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Ken Sublet
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Re: Heaven to SOME Will not be ENYOYABLE

October 24 2016, 7:47 PM 

Good point although you have no intention of being SILENT which cause Him to LAUDE you.

HE will REST "be quiet, rest, practice, secretly, be silent
HE will joy over the with singing (Lauding, praising)

So, this Sunday maybe everyone will REST from the laded burden (music) and let GOD do the hard work?

Give it a thought or a second thought or no thought at all

You have no intention of usurping God's role to SHOUT which includes no TUNE or TEAM.

7440 rinnah, rin-naw´; from 7442; properly, a creaking (or shrill sound), i.e. shout (of joy or grief):—cry, gladness, joy, proclamation, rejoicing, shouting, sing(-ing), triump

 
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