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Ken Sublett
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Re: SING SING SING

October 17 2016, 10:25 PM 

The SOUNDS were up in the AIR over ZION: when you hear these PANIC sounds in the spiritual Zion it is a WARNING of Judgment soon. IF you are still LIVING the direct command is to GO, quickly and Preach the Gospel.

I heard the TRUMPET sounds being sounded throughout the world even among the historic Church of Christ who obeyed the law AGAINST "vocal or instrumental rejoicing" in the Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness. So, saying that you are part of THE CHURCH OF CHRIST which is a School only for DISCIPLES or STUDENTS doesn't not save you.

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Ken Sublett
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Re: SING SING SING

October 18 2016, 10:07 AM 

Of the Prodigal's Homecoming Party which will not take place in heaven, the Britannica notes:

https://www.britannica.com/art/symphony-music

The concept of symphony before c. 1750

The word symphonia was used by the Greeks in reference to notes sounding together in harmony and by extension meant an “ensemble” or “band” rather than a musical form. The word implies a pleasant concord of different notes and has been used in fields other than music to denote a pleasing combination of various elements. In the New Testament Gospel According to Luke (King James Version), symphōnia is translated as “musick,” as distinct from choroi, “dancing.” In the Middle Ages the name was given to several musical instruments, among them a double-headed drum, bowed stringed instruments, a large hurdy-gurdy, and bagpipes. Mention is made in 1582 of eine Symphonie, evidently a stringed keyboard instrument.


Sounds like family get togethers to me but no one HIRED a band to carry on the warm fuzzies of family.

Modern highly-honed Churchy complex harmony is filled with hidden but mind-scrambling discord and is not "sounding together."

https://www.britannica.com/art/harmony-music

Melody and rhythm can exist without harmony. By far the greatest part of the world’s music is nonharmonic. Many highly sophisticated musical styles, such as those of India and China, consist basically of unharmonized melodic lines and their rhythmic organization. In only a few instances of folk and primitive music are simple chords specifically cultivated. Harmony in the Western sense is a comparatively recent invention having a rather limited geographic spread. It arose less than a millennium ago in the music of western Europe and is embraced today only in those musical cultures that trace their origins to that area.

The organized system of Western harmony as practiced from c. 1650 to c. 1900 evolved from earlier musical practices: from the polyphony—music in several voices, or parts—of the late Middle Ages and the Renaissance and, ultimately, from the strictly melodic music of the Middle Ages that gave rise to polyphony. The organization of medieval music, in turn, derives from the medieval theorists’ fragmented knowledge of ancient Greek music.

By the 9th century the practice arose in many churches of performing portions of plainchant melodies with an added, harmonizing voice—possibly as a means of greater emphasis, or of reinforcing the sound to carry through the larger churches that were being built at the time. This harmonizing technique, called organum, is the first true example of harmony. The first instances were extremely simple, consisting of adding a voice that exactly paralleled the original melody at the interval of a fourth or fifth (parallel organum).


A cappella or that sung in the Sistine Chapel [PLACE] (caper, cappella, goat) was ORGANUM style.

That means NOT IN THE BIBLE!

 
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Ken Sublett
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Scripture calls singing sorcery!

October 19 2016, 11:27 AM 

Those who write books about WORSHIP SERVICES (hard bondage) spend fortunes holding workshops promoting SINGING but not a single one of them ever intend to "Sing that which is written for our LEARNING." Singing won't get you hurt as fast as not caring enough to read the simple text.

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Dave
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Being Called to the Carpet

October 19 2016, 2:47 PM 

In your subject line, Ken, you stated that"Scripture calls singing sorcery!" Yet, when you do not follow that with ANY SCRIPTURE ANYWHERE to back that ascertation, the truth is not in you. Being forthcoming and accurate with your statement, you WOULD ALWAYS back such a statement with the SCRIPTURE that CALLS singing sorcery. YOU DID NOT! You believe that you would get away with such an atrocity. Believe something else....ain't happening!!!

By the way, anything but INSPIRED (66 books) Scripture is considered S.C.R.I.P.T.U.R.E. NOthing else matters.

Even with all your other negative diatribe, you would be right. God continues to hide the Word from those who abuse it. You can change that with time though. I pray that you will. HINT: The mask of arrogance and procliaimed wisdom needs to be shucked off.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Being Called to the Carpet

October 19 2016, 3:27 PM 

I just defined EPODE or ODE which everyone then and now knows that sing is the OPPOSITE of SPEAK. Simple Simon then or now knows that SING is never the word for SPEAK.

We SPEAK for your learning using the commanded "that which is written for our LEARNING." No one ever recorded singing as having anything be entertaining and deceiving value. I call you as my witness: "You spend to much time SINGING that which is NOT God-inspried" and no time SPEAKING the WORD or LOGOS which is denuded in historic documents as anything but speak or read the WORDS of God.

Because you-they NEVER sing for anything but entertainment WORK Scripture and history says that you are trying to use an unlawful tap into the RIGHT or FEMALE brain to shut down the masculine, spiritual or rational Left brain so that the preacher-sorcerer can FILL your brain with false teachings and by the time we get to the steak house YOU will either deny that the preacher said any such thing and that what He said was what YOU always understood. That's a lie but he has brainwashed you and you BELIEVE that a fifteen-minute old false teaching and swear that this is what GOD said.

The Praise Teams are used by the merchant class of false teachers to HAWK it all about. Paul called it corrupting the Word which is "selling learning at retail" which with Paul and Greek literature marks as PROSTITUTE. It matters not what body part you sell in the name of God.

Rev. 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
Rev. 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.


A Church is DEFINED as built upon or EDUCATED by the Prophets and Apostles and the musicators built upon those God abandoned to worship the STARRY HOST: then and now APOLLON-Abaddon is that fallen angel and His WORSHIP TEAM as singers are the Muses-Locusts, shepherdesses in the progressive churches and dirty prostitutes. The prostitutes will enter into the kingdom before those claiming Jesus as their MADAM.

The CONTEXT is John warning about the rise of the original Bablon mother of harlots defined by the same SORCERY word. Paul warns about the cut off or emasculated by cutting and singing as "lusted after FRUITS." These are the same FRUITS Amos 8 warned about whose music had STARVED the people for lack of the WORD. Why are you so hopped up on spending ANY time always depriving people of hearing the WORD which OUTLAWS any of the hypocritic arts and crafts.

Rev. 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, [named PARASITES] of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev. 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy SORCERERS were all nations deceived.
Rev. 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.


You can get all of the advanced degrees available and Jesus says "Doctors of the Law take away the KEY to knowledge."

So, all of the NOT APT elders are Purpose Driven to say "We gotta go and buy us a doctor of the Law." As Scribes and Pharisees, Jesus called them HYPOCRITES and the Spirit set Him up by calling HYPOCRITES any mouth religionist: speaker for hire, singer, instrument player or their audience. According to Jude etal they are PURPOSE DRIVEN because they are FOREORDAINED from old to DECEIVE those who can be DECEIVED.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: SING SING SING

October 19 2016, 4:18 PM 

All I know is what I read in recorded history included clay tablets. Why would a small number of churches hire Musical Worship Teams (ODE) and DENY that God has or is "A regulative principle" which outlaws self-authored songs or sermons or dramas. Because God IS logos or Word and they DENY any such thing, they would be defined as ANTI-God. Because Christ was the visible and audible message of the logos, and they mock the logos or regulative principle they are ANTICHRISTS. They CONFESS it by claiming that THEY now hear the voice of God when Jesus said NO MAN hears the voice but His unique Son.

1. If there is no command, example or remote inference of God or man calling people to sing collectively with or without until long after the Reformation.
2. And they say that "a" spirit commanded them to purpose-drive discord just to have the boys and girls to watch and listen to.
3. Jude and others says the are FORDAINED of old.

1. They are earth-born or OF the World but Jesus is not OF the World and no one who obeys Him is OF the World.
2. They claim to teach a Christian World View as ecumenical.
3. Jesus said that He does nor pray for the World, Kosmos, ecumenical or the kingdom of Satan

1. There is no singing or harp-playing (the prostitute in the garden) in Scripture.
2. The only SOURCE for musical instruments is defined as Lucifer or the Devil. Or Jubal who "handled" musical instruments without authority.
3. Jubal was of Cain (a musical note or mark) and Paul said that Eve was wholly seduced and Cain was OF that wicked one.

1. When the Bible and other recorded history is ABSOLUTE in defining musical sounds and especially instruments after the invention of BRASS METAL (Nachash or Satan) as used to take control of people's emotional nature.

2/ And there is no historical scholar or founder of denomination who did not know the PURPOSE of musical sounds to deceive.

3. Why, at this late and tragic date, has HIRED PREACHERS suddenly turned and rended the widows who taught them and fed them?

Why do YOU suppose that you rub yourself raw trying to find any remote hope for singers who force YOU to pay THEM to deceive you and force you to worship them. Don't be surprised that they collect large groups: while denying it their nature is loving to watch terror strike.

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The Bible agrees and those who impose musical idolatry confess their destiny when they say that "Grace is going to let them do it."

Heb. 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Heb. 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Heb. 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him:
.....for he that cometh to God
.....must believe that he is,
.....and that he is a rewarder
.....of them that diligently seek him.


inquīro , sīvi, sītum, 3, v. a. in-quaero,
I. [select] to seek after, search for, inquire into any thing (cf. anquirere), To search, pry, examine, or inquire into any thing: “verborum originem The Original MEANING of Logos which excludes anything BUT the Word. Etymology inquires into the origin of words, and was called notation by Cicero

Faith which leads to baptism is not for the VIPER RACE lusting to be "baptized with spirit (wind) and fire". Those who OBEY do not become more righteous on their own but they are a WITNESS AGAINST those who mock the idea of having to OBEY.

Heb. 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet,
.....moved with fear,
.....prepared an ark to the saving of his house;
.....by THE WHICH he condemned [JUDGED] the WORLD,
.....and BECAME heir of the righteousness which is by faith.


The World, Kosmos or Mundus IDENTIFIES those OF the World to whom Jesus spoke in parables because they had no right to the gospel message. Rather than SPEAK the Word which will cause the REST of the world to hate them and not buy their books, those who baptism MARKS are identified by:

1. Of mode of living, neat, fine, elegant, smart, genteel: “cultus justo mundior,” too elegant dress, Liv. 8, 15.

Their CULT or cultus is what they labor on: their training, education, culture is A. In gen. (also rare), training, education, culture: “malo cultu corruptus,” Cic. Part. Or. 26, 91: “animi,” mental discipline, arrangements for living, style, manner of life, culture, cultivation, elegance, polish, civilization, refinement, luxury, voluptuousness, wantonness: sensual indulgences, of ornaments of style: “in verbis effusiorem: they pour forth words, contumelia verborum, insulting or abusive language, he talks to the dead, i. e. in vain,


The Greek KOSMOS or the lusted-for ECUMENICAL busy collecting for the kingdom of the DEVIL includes and is excluded in Romans 14 warning about the Pythagoreans Sect in Rome who invented the concept of the KOSMOS:

hadumelē k. keladein to sing sweet songs of praise, Pi.O.11 (10).13 (s.v.l.).


    
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2 Timothy 3 ignored while SINGING as self-love

October 25 2016, 1:14 PM 

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Ken Sublett
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Re: 2 Timothy 3 ignored while SINGING as self-love

December 22 2016, 1:57 PM 

O. E. Payne and all of the Psallo Plotters quotes from Aristophanes to prove that Psallo always meant to play or PLUCK a harp. In fact, Psallo lilterally means to pluck something with your fingers but NEVER with a plektron or guitar pick. It is related to APOLLON or Abaddon. He carried his bow and plucked it to bruise the literal heart of those who refused his advances--male or female. He plucked his lyre to send forth love arrows into those who submitted. The personified spirit points to Apollon or Abbadon and he is the guiding spirit and leader of Musical Worship Teams. This would rarely be males in a "straighter" society. Aristophanes on Birds:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0026:card=209&highlight=phoebus

Epops rushes into the thicket.

Epops [craven, morally evil, bad beggar: cries as a god Puthonos, daimones, Kairos, Hermes]
From within; singing.
Chase off drowsy sleep, dear companion. [210] Let the sacred hymn gush from thy divine throat in melodious strains; roll forth in soft cadence your refreshing melodies to bewail the fate of Itys, which has been the cause of so many tears to us both.


Psallo never means "musical" melody: Paul would be bright enough to use MELOS..

[215] Your pure notes rise through the thick leaves of the yew-tree
.....right up to the throne of Zeus,
.....where Phoebus [Apollon] listens to you, Phoebus with his golden hair.

And his ivory lyre responds [antipsallōn] to your plaintive accents;
.....[220] he gathers the choir of the gods
.....and from their immortal lips pours forth a sacred chant of blessed voices.


Notice that in this PROOF TEXT the people sing but the gods such as Apollon responds with HIS lyre.

The apostates CLAIM that God was too ignorant so they see visions and hear voices but Simple Simon in Greek school would understand that if you wanted to tell someone to pluck a string the word is:

anti-psallō ,
A. [1] play a [2] stringed instrument in [3] accompaniment of song, “a. elegois phormigga” Ar.Av.218


A song accompanied by a flute or lyre is:

elegos , ho,
A.song, melody, orig. accompanied by the flute, cf. aluros To cry, woe, woe, woe.

The phorm-igx , iggos, hē, as the instrument of Apollo, “phormiggos perikalleos hēn ekh' Apollōn” 2. ph. akhordos, metaph. for a bow,


Apollon the father of gender-based musical worship and the NAME OF A NUMBER. He was a Sun God to which God abandoned the Jews and gave his name to the Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned SERVICE as hard bondage.

Contrary to O.E.Payne and all of the musical bandits still sowing discord with all of my "investments" Aristophanes does NOT say that PSALLO demands that we PLUCK a harp much less to accompany songs. Notice that Aristophanes prewarns about the A CAPPELLA which castrated young boys to keep their ability to arouse the clergy in the Sistine Chapel where instruments were not permitted in the Pope's presence.

Aristophanes on the Clouds:
Just.
I will, therefore, describe the ancient system of education, how it was ordered, when I flourished in the advocacy of justice, and temperance was the fashion.

In the first place it was incumbent that no one should hear the voice of a boy uttering a syllable; and next, that those from the same quarter of the town should march in good order through the streets to the school of the harp-master, naked, and in a body, even if it were to snow as thick as meal.

Then again, their master would teach them, not sitting cross-legged, to learn by rote a song, either “pallada persepolin deinan” or “teleporon ti boama” raising to a higher pitch the harmony which our fathers transmitted to us.

But if any of them were to play the buffoon, or to turn any quavers, like these difficult turns the present artists make after the manner of Phrynis, he used to be thrashed, being beaten with many blows, as banishing the Muses.

And it behooved the boys, while sitting in the school of the Gymnastic-master, to cover the thigh, so that they might exhibit nothing indecent to those outside; then again, after rising from the ground, to sweep the sand together, and to take care not to leave an impression of the person for their lovers.

And no boy used in those days to anoint himself below the navel; so that their bodies wore the appearance of blooming health.

Nor used he to go to his lover, having made up his voice in an effeminate tone, prostituting himself with his eyes. Nor used it to be allowed when one was dining to take the head of the radish, or to snatch from their seniors dill or parsley, or to eat fish, or to giggle, or to keep the legs crossed.

 
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