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Ken Sublett
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ConcernedMembersMadison
24.151.202.16

Re: Testimony of the Spirit OF Christ

December 5 2016, 8:24 PM 

Bill keeps quoting isolated texts but ignores the context which we have posted several times.

Doubting Thomas had to SEE and feel proof that Jesus was Jesus. John was writing maybe 40 years after the event which he records and He fills in blanks and corrects false understanding:

Thomas: John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.


Jesus does not correct nor compliment. However, John put the misunderstanding to rest.

John 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 
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Donnie
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Re: Testimony of the Spirit OF Christ

December 5 2016, 9:02 PM 

Let's give Bill some credit for trying very, very hard to provide us evidence that "the man Christ Jesus" (I Tim. 2:5) is also "the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob." And he is relying on what the doubting Thomas said -- not realizing:

(1) That in verse 29, Jesus was comparing:

-----------(a) Thomas the doubter who had "to see" in order "to believe."
---------------------- versus -----------------------
-----------(b) Those whom Jesus called "blessed" for not seeing yet believing.

(2) That the correction in v.31 states "that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God."

(3) That in Hebrews 10:7,9 Jesus Christ addressed his Father and God: "I come to do thy will, O God."

(4) That in Eph. 1[17] it says that Jesus has a God: "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him."

(5) That "3-Gods-in-one" is man's perception. Instead: "Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort" (I Cor. 1:3).

 
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Bill
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99.179.116.207

Trinity

December 5 2016, 9:51 PM 

As I've said before, this Trinity business really disturbs Donnie so much that he feels compelled to rehash the subject repeatedly. Donnie does need to seek a religious counselor, because he's obsessing over this more and more, and it's obviously affecting his peace of mind.

 
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Donnie
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Re: Trinity

December 5 2016, 10:43 PM 

Bill's obsession is rejecting the scriptures that debunk the man-made Trinity dogma. Bill does not need another spiritual counselor -- the papacy is on his side without question ... and without questioning the Creed it teaches.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Trinity

December 5 2016, 11:23 PM 

Donnie is jumping up and down--commanded or not.

It is sad that there is such a major industry of religion desperately seeking something that they will never find.
God HIDES from the wise or Sophists: speakers for sale, singers, instrument players, actors.
And Jesus does not pray for the WORLD which is the kosmos, the ecumenical or the kingdom of the Devil.

Try as they might they either cannot grasp or confess that:

1Tim. 2:5 For there is ONE God,
.....and ONE mediator between God and men,
.....the MAN Christ Jesus;


There is nothing that is a more certain SEAL or MARK of certainty.

Neither can they grasp that BOTH male and female are commanded to be SILENT and SEDENTARY for the singular Purpose of a Purpose-Driven Church.

1Tim. 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved (SAFE),and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


The TRUTH is THE WORD, Logos or regulative principle which those OF the World cannot stop denying.

So, fun is to watch those WITH NO NEED TO KNOW prove that they cannot retain TRUTH. Speaking of the Instrumental-Trinitarian-Perverted "play" at Mount Sinai which was beyond redemption:

Rom. 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Even with a stack of still-bleeding sheepskins they cannot read Acts 7 and understand why the clergy murdered Stephen.

Heb. 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Heb. 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
Heb. 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.




 
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Bill
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Re: Trinity

December 5 2016, 11:51 PM 

Donnie tries to shift his problem to someone else. That's a common response, and it's quite expected. Should a religious counselor approach Donnie about his incessant, Trinity-bashing obsession, Donnie would explode with, "I don't need your [%$#@] psychology!!" That's also a typical response from those who deny they have a problem.

Donnie's problem is not that he denies the Trinity as such. That's his prerogative. Donnie's problem is that he feels compelled to deny the Trinity over and over incessantly, as if he just can't get enough of bashing the Trinity 24/7. That's why he keeps harping about and rehashing the subject in multiple posts that all basically say the same thing each time. So in short: Houston, Donnie has a problem.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Trinity

December 6 2016, 12:19 AM 

Donnie is not allowed to use a harp!

 
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Humility
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Re: Trinity

December 6 2016, 9:11 AM 

Dr. Bill left his theological role and adopted a medical one.

The fact that he centers on spelling indicates he is anal.

That he psychologically tries to analyze people indicates that he thinks he is a type of Messiah.

But we will forgive you Bill, if you tell us the truth (or even express your opinion). You won't be an enemy and neither will Stan. happy.gif

 
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Bill
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Re: Trinity

December 6 2016, 1:00 PM 

Given my medical background, if I were to analyze Humility, I'd have to charge him/her/it. I gladly analyze Donnie for free. happy.gif

There's no excuse for spelling errors...ever. Those who scoff at good spelling demonstrate their abysmal ignorance. happy.gif

Some lay people have been known to look upon medical personnel as "gods." That's their prerogative, however misdirected it may be. happy.gif

If Humility receives comfort in bestowing "crocodile forgiveness" out of his hat, we will certainly not fault him/her/it. happy.gif

Note: You know the meaning of "crocodile tears." Well, "crocodile forgiveness" bears a similar connotation that substitutes forgiveness for tears. The same applies to "crocodile prayers." LOL happy.gif


 
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Stan
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Re: Trinity

December 6 2016, 2:09 PM 

Humility, do you agree with Ken that there is to be no singing in the church, only speaking?

Galatians 4:16
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Trinity

December 6 2016, 3:29 PM 

Ken never speaks of what WE CAN DO but only the testimony of Scripture.

If you can, find an actual command, example, remote inference or practice of calling people OUT of their rest to engage in group singing with or without an example. There are lots of "synagogue" examples: gathering together, assemblying or coming together. Jesus "synagogued" with His disciples twice on the first day of the week after His resurrection and the epistles often speak of the assembly: that would be a good place to begin.

In Jeremiah 23 the Spirit OF Christ defines despising the Word as blasphemy in Latin.
If you say that God said or commanded something
And God did NOT do so
That is called blasphemy because you put your lies into God's mouth.

 
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Dave
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162.229.29.37

Good One On Ya

December 6 2016, 6:00 PM 

William, IF....I say IF you were to ever branch out with analyzing, then good luck. Just don't try self-analysis.

self-a·nal·y·sis
noun
the analysis of oneself, in particular one's motives and character.


William, it would either kill you or drive you more insane than you already are.

happy.gif


Now, ain't that the epitamyism of something or other?

 
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Humility
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Re: Trinity

December 6 2016, 7:12 PM 

I have a Revised English Bible (REB) which translated Colossians 3:16 as

"Let the gospel of Christ dwell among you in all its richness: teach and instruct one another with all the wisdom it gives you. With psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, sing from the heart in gratitude to God. 17 Let every word and action, everything you do, be in the name of our Lord Jesus, and give thanks through him to God the Father.

The psalms and hymns and spiritual songs must come from the heart, whether that be in synagogue (or assembly) or outside of assembly.

"So you see, each one of us will be answerable to God." Romans 14:12. "Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Whether he stands or falls is his own Master's business; and stand he will, because his master has power to enable him to stand." Romans 14:4.

We must all pray, "May the words of my mouth and the thoughts of my mind, be acceptable to you, Lord, my rock and my redeemer." Psalms 19:14.

The worship of the New Testament church (at least in Corinth) was multiplex (chapter 14), but no one should quench the spirit. 1 Thessalonians 5:19.

The overbearance of the elder authority on the church is often quenching of that spirit of worship, and Jesus explicitly condemned this in Matthew 15:1-2. "Any plant that is not of My Heavenly Father's planting will be rooted up." Matthew 15:13.

I sing in church according to the current meaning of the word, but there are so many doctrines expressed and emotions awry that I do not always sing every song. Millenialism, total depravity, abuse of the worshipper, hyper emotionalism, human lust masked as adoration, and fads are all so often present, that a return to a Biblical language is much to be desired.

I can sing all the songs, or none of the songs, and if I have the Lord in my heart, He will reward me accordingly.


 
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Stan
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68.53.71.114

Re: Trinity

December 6 2016, 8:06 PM 

Well Humility, your perspective contradicts Ken's, so brace yourself. Ken says the bible teaches no singing - period - end of story. Let Humility have it Ken like you do everyone else in the brotherhood.

Galatians 4:16
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

 
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Bill
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Re: Good One On Ya

December 6 2016, 8:11 PM 

"Epitamyism" [sic]. Good one on you, Dave. You're so embarrassed because I rebuked you for butchering the spelling of "epitome" -- yet again -- that you're now deliberately making up words to cover your, shall we say, Southern orifice. And then there was your attempt to spell "Eusebius" that crashed and burned as "eubius" [sic]...

Son, Santa really does need to bring you that dictionary for Christmas. LOL happy.gif

 
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Humility
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Re: Trinity

December 6 2016, 8:39 PM 

Stan, you don't think that your post script leaves the impression that only you have the truth?

Or do you?happy.gif

 
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Stan
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Re: Trinity

December 6 2016, 8:47 PM 

Humility, you are mistaking me for Ken, hence this website. happy.gif

Galatians 4:16
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

 
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Dave
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THEY BEING JESUS AND HIS DISCIPLES

December 6 2016, 8:58 PM 

"If you can, find an actual command, example, remote inference or practice of calling people OUT of their rest to engage in group singing with or without an example.

You bet!

Matthew 26
30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

THEY is a group


More, Ken???

 
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Humility
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Re: Trinity

December 6 2016, 9:10 PM 

I'm aware of the different points of view on this site.

What's interesting is that someone that said that all these points of view are merging into a new synthetic whole. I believe it was Dave.






 
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Humility
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Re: Trinity

December 6 2016, 9:55 PM 

Stan,

You might need to read Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People."happy.gif

 
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