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Ken Sublett
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 1:40 PM 

NOW, if you can just find a preacher who READS more than verse 3d before speaking their own version. Let us know when and where.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 4:10 PM 

Me, too, Rancor.

Not only that "I think"; but also that "I will stick with the KJV Bible." Considering some of the passages imperfectly translated.

However, I will continue to research as to why some of the passages in modern versions of the Bible were/are not properly translated in accordance with the original/earliest manuscripts. For example:

1. God's Word is inerrant as: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God."
2. So, there came the earliest, original manuscripts.
3. Then, the scribes and reproduction of manuscripts.
4. Then, man-made doctrines formed: the Trinity dogma and other creeds.
5. Then, the printing press was invented.
6. Then, there were translators and modern translators of the Bible.

Have you not realized that translators are human and error-prone even though God's Word is inerrant? Doctrines were already formed prior to translations. Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! Some passages have been translated with doctrinal biases and prejudices. Good examples are John 1:1 and Isaiah 9:6. We have covered these issues many times already in various threads. But we'd be glad to discuss them here again.

 
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Bill
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 5:34 PM 

The only "imperfectly translated" passages in the KJV are in the minds of those who reject the subjects of those passages in the first place. The passages in question primarily focus on the Trinity and Jesus as God. Naturally, a few folks who reject F,S,HS as the Trinity and Jesus as God will maintain that those passages are "imperfectly translated"; that is, their bias is quite evident. Whereas such a bias comforts those folks, the rest of the Christian world accepts the KJV as written.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 6:24 PM 

Where have you been, Bill? That's what we've discussing very much. In fact, you "show up" for the most part only when the discussion is about the Catholic-authorized "Trinity" dogma that you vigorously defend.

There's no such thing as the "Trinity" in the Old Testament and in the life of the early New Testament church.

No doubt that the "Jesus is God" perception (been there ... done that) and that "the Holy Ghost" is God-Person no. 3 comprise the core-concept of the man-concocted Trinity doctrine

The Trinity dogma was born in the 4th century, and it has its own history.

If you refuse to even read all the scriptural evidences that support the truth that's there is only one true God the Father and one Son of God, Jesus Christ, the Messiah whom God sent to this world, there's nothing else that the Scripture can help you with.

If those supporting scriptures don't help and convince you away from what the RCC with its papacy teaches you, then that remains to be your problem. The fact that you refuse to study the subject matter by way of technical research, such as resorting to what the earliest, original manuscripts reveal, then you can't be helped.

To keep reciting the Trinity pledge of allegiance as your defense of the dogma is certainly your prerogative.

 
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Bill
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 7:32 PM 

To keep reciting his denial of the Trinity and his denial that Jesus is God is certainly Donnie's prerogative.

 
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Donnie
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 8:30 PM 

It is ... certainly. Denying or rejecting man's teaching as if it were God's truth is not a bad thing.

 
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Bill
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 9:13 PM 

If man's teaching says it's not God's truth, when the Bible says it is God's truth, that is a bad thing.

 
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Donnie
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 9:53 PM 

There's a colossal difference between what the Pope is teaching Bill and what the Scripture is teaching God's disciples.

The Pope teaches:

1. That since the Virgin Mary is the Mother of Jesus;
2. That since Jesus is God;
3. Therefore, the Virgin Mary is "the Mother of God."

 
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Bill
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 26 2016, 10:53 AM 

Donnie often fixates on this "mother of God" business. You have a special interest in that, do you, Donnie? happy.gif

 
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Donnie
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 26 2016, 11:45 AM 

Bill,

I'm just following applied logic:

... that if assertion #1 is true;
... that if assertion #2 is true;
... therefore, assertion #3 is true based on both assertion #1 and assertion #2 being true.

Didn't Jesus have a mother?

Don't you believe that "Jesus is God"?

Doesn't that prove that God has a Mother based on that belief system?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 1:36 PM 

The 1611 version has been changed many times. However, no one in recorded history has added "Jesus the Son is the Father."

Neither has anyone been so bold as to add:

"SINGING to yourselves NEVER USING Psalms, hymns and spiritual songs." You have to procure a Simony degree for that.

 
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 2:24 PM 


Sorry Ken, sounds like you have issues with the KJV Bible. Some people find "Singing" or lack of, at the Catholic Church bible. You need to check it out.


 
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 2:37 PM 


NOPE..every thing changed!

Better down the road, KEN.



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Donnie Cruz
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 4:31 PM 

Is this Pope Francis singing:

"Holy! Holy! Holy! ... God in Three Persons, Blessed Trinity"?

Wishing that the leaders of the Restoration Movement of the church of Christ in America were here to watch and listen to the pagan-influenced, Roman Catholic-invented Trinity dogma. Christ and His apostles as well. happy.gif

"Worship Leaders" and "Praise Teams" perhaps can emulate the performances of the musical Pope?

 
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Stan
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 5:45 PM 

What about Acts 1:8?

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses..."

Is Jesus talking about the Holy Spirit coming upon the apostles or not?

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 6:50 PM 

An excellent question!!!

The holy spirit OF God is never a PERSON as the Trinity dogma suggests.

The word "spirit" is never in physical form; it has different meanings that can refer to wind, power, breath, mind.

At creation, "the spirit of God" moved "upon the face of the waters" (Genesis 1:2). That was the "power" of God.

At Pentecost, in addition to Acts 1:8 (that you quoted), we take into consideration the events in Acts 2:

[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Yes, "a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind."

In Job 27[3] All the while my breath is in me, and "the spirit of God is in my nostrils."

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 7:26 PM 

Continuing what Donnie said:

Yes. But Jesus in His glorified state IS Holy Spirit. There are many threads all tied into a knot at Pentecost.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


Another or "allos" is not "heteros" but different in some respects.

CONDITION:

Spirit is never a people but the "mental disposition of that person."

John 14:17 Even the Spirit OF truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


The Spirit OF truth is the spirit WHICH IS TRUTH.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I SPEAK unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are LIFE [the spirit which IS truth and not a spook].

John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


I have read most of the copied books on The Holy Spirit and I have never heard or read anyone who can quote verse 18. There are several other passages saying the same things.

It was the KJV who decided that wind or BREATH was a Holy Ghost or the "spook of a dead man."


    
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Ken Sublett
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 7:54 PM 

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he BREATHED on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy SPIRIT:

Ezekiel 37:9] Then said he to me, Prophesy to the wind [spiritum], prophesy, son of man, and tell the wind, Thus says the Lord Yahweh: Come from the four winds, breath, and breathe [Spiritus] on these slain, that they may live.


The apostles did not see a SPIRIT person but the "breath" of God had been WITH them and would be IN them as it was Jesus as Holy Spirit (pure breath is what little simple simon heard).

No reader would have thought that WORD or BREATH were extra gods required for the ALMIGHTY to rule.

"Progresssives" actually claim that Holy Spirit as a god was what made it possible for Jesus the Son and "brother" to do His Work. That "god" person was also "who" made it possible for the Almighty to communicate with the Son.



    
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Ken Sublett
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 25 2016, 10:09 PM 

Note that:

Jesus promised allos or different is some sense Holy Spirit Comforter or Paraclete..
Jesus said that I will come to you.
Jesus came to the upper room as promised (more later)
The same John gave us the name of the Comforter or Paraclete

1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
.....And if any man sin,
.....we have an advocate [Paraclete] with the Father,
.....Jesus Christ the righteous:
1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only,
.....but also for the sins of the whole world.


Since Jesus is the Atonement or expiator for sins then HE is the only one who can be the Comforter, Mediator and Intercessor. "Scholars" say that there are TWO Paracletes.

g3875. parakletos, par-ak´-lay-tos; an intercessor, consoler: — advocate, comforter.

In Romans 15 the DIRECT COMMAND is to "use one mind and one mouth to teach that which is written" or COMFORT (Paraclete) of the SCRIPTURES.

HERE IS THE ONLY PEOPLE TO WHOM JESUS CHRIST AS HOLY SPIRIT IS TEACHER OR COMFORTER. The legalistic activities of the "progressives" proves that Jesus doesn't either speak OR Comfort.

1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him,
.....if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him,
..... and keepeth not his commandments,
.....is a liar, and the truth is not in him [the WORD]
1John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word,
..... in him verily is the love of God perfected:
.....hereby know we that we are IN him.
1John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him
.....ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


In John 14 the Father and Son abide IN those who keep God's commandments.
The baptized disciples abide IN the Father and son IF they keep God's Commandments.
John does not mention a SPIRIT as part of the mutual INDWELLING because Father breathes Word to the Son without requiring another "god" person.

The ROAD is the "WAY that is called a SECT." It is very narrow as THE PATTERN.


 
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Re: What's Wrong With The KJV Bible?

November 26 2016, 10:09 AM 


Ken, you should make a contribution. How many times has the DRB bailed you out on Church singing?


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