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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Otter Creek

December 27 2016, 5:59 PM 

SUNDAYS
8:40am - a cappella worship*

10:00am - classes for all ages (K-5th begins at 9:50)

11:00am - instrumental worship*

*CHILDREN'S WORSHIP - 8:40am & 11am

 
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Donnie Cruz
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A 'Christian Holiday' Festival at O.C.

December 27 2016, 6:23 PM 

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No instrumental music on Sunday (combined assembly)? Hmmm. How accommodating [ happy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gif ] to the senior attendants (the church financial givers/contributors)!!!

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Otter Creek Church: A Community Church

December 28 2016, 2:04 AM 

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When a local church has removed the NAME "of Christ"? It's a sure sign that it has become (transitioned into) a Community Church.

Check it out: http://ottercreek.org/

 
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Dave
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Nobody Cares About Your Gossip

December 28 2016, 8:31 AM 

CHECK IT OUT....Donnie trying to warn everyone.

You already have and it is working. It has been working for years and years and......


NOBODY COMES HERE!!!

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Nobody Cares About Your Gossip

December 28 2016, 12:10 PM 

Page reads or "sermons read" last 24 hours = 550. That can vary from 200 to 800 each day along with private e-mail and hundreds of linked papers read each day.

When people READ and can read linked Scripture, definitions or historic documents they don't NEED to comment. How many "listeners" or "commenters did YOU PERMIT last Sunday? They are free to comment but when you post the CONTEXT rather than verse 3z, everyone seems happy.

 
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Dave
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Good One Ken

December 30 2016, 10:22 AM 

IN the last 24 hours I did a couple and you and Donnie did several hundred. Nice try and Happy New Years.


Oh, by the way, how many of those >500 READERS posted anything?


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Ken Sublett
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Re: Otter Creek Church: A Community Church

December 28 2016, 8:39 PM 

In Revelation 18 ALL craftsmen or religious teknokrats are called SORCERERS. That is why most musical terms or names of instruments are derived from evil.

The Nebel or Harp. Note that the "familiar spirit" of the witch was an empty, dry animal skin stretched over a hole in the ground. When the Jew used it remember that they had a "Covenant with Death and Hell." The feast or Marzeah in Amos was/is a "feast for and with dead ancestors." When an animal died of itself it was used for making instruments.

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Harps and Dogs were always together:

Polybius. 5.37Now it happened that this same Nicagoras had, a short time before the events of which we are speaking, come to Alexandria with a cargo of horses. Just as [p. 392] he was disembarking he came upon Cleomenes, Panterus, and Hippitas walking together along the quay. When Cleomenes saw him, he came up and welcomed him warmly, and asked him on what business he was come. Upon his replying that he had brought a cargo of horses, "You had better," said he, "have brought a cargo of catamites and sakbut [kinaidous agein kai sambukas] girls; for that is what the present king is fond of."


It is derived from:

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At the same time the instrumental SORCERERS are EXCISED as a Christian Assembly Jesus removes the candles or candlestick representing the "Seven Spirits OF God" which would rest on Messiah. All of these spirits are spirits OF forms of Divine Knowledge.

Rev. 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

g3088. luchnos, lookh´-nos; from the base of 3022; a portable lamp or other illuminator (literally or figuratively): — candle, light.
g3022. leukos, lyoo-kos´; from lu/kh luke (“light”); white: — white.

In a spiritual sense:

lux B. Light, encouragement, help, succor D. Light, illustration, elucidation: “historia [narrative of past events] testis temporum, lux veritatis,” Cic. de Or. 2, 9, 36.— E. That which enlightens, the source of illumination: scriptor

vērĭtas , I.truth, truthfulness, verity . Of character, truth, rectitude, integrity: “in tuam fidem,

Luke 11:32 The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Luke 11:33 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.
Luke 11:34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.
Luke 11:35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.
Luke 11:36 If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.


While these hold Doctorates Jesus affirmed that "doctors of the law take away the key to knowledge." It is not possible for those who are strongly deluded to even know the meaning of TRUTH and any Bible reader knows that they cannot stop selling their own lies.

People think that they look so WISE and will get on the lecture circuit so they can BUY AND SELL if you decided to REMOVE CHRIST from your public confession. Max Lucado had a vision to remove Christ but a Baptist Publishing company said that the "vision" came from them as a condition of SELLING JESUS AT RETAIL.

Jesus decides when to remove the Seven Spirits which would rest upon Messiah like the menorah.

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Is. 8:19 And when they shall say unto you,
.....Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, [the Witches Familar spirit: a Nebel or drum]
.....and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
Is. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony:
.....if they speak not according to this word,
.....it is because there is no light in them.


    
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Nobody Cares About Your Gossip

December 30 2016, 12:16 AM 

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Donnie Cruz
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Re: Nobody Cares About Your Gossip

December 30 2016, 12:24 AM 

So far Dave has not commented on either Otter Creek Church [formerly "of Christ"] being a Community Church or its playing musical instruments in the assembly? And no mention of a single scripture reference in the "What We Believe" segment of the website.

 
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Dave
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Smile!

December 30 2016, 10:33 AM 

Happy New Year's Donnie

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Nobody Cares About Your Gossip

December 30 2016, 11:31 AM 

Donnie, I posted only the Madison thread where all of the inanity is posted and failed to count the others where people READ but do not post much. I need to update some of the other threads. The old counter just counted the total of all threads but the new counters keep separate accounts.

 
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