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Bill
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Re: Is Donnie and Ken just a Jehovah's Witness in Disguise?

January 5 2017, 6:23 PM 

He who wants the last word demands that others not respond. Script wants the last word in this game, so here it is: "Word." happy.gif

 
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Scripture
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Re: Is Donnie and Ken just a Jehovah's Witness in Disguise?

January 5 2017, 7:10 PM 

Typical response from a legalist! happy.gif

 
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Scripture
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Re: Is Donnie and Ken just a Jehovah's Witness in Disguise?

January 5 2017, 8:20 PM 

Back to the theme of this thread (is CM like Jehovah's Witnesses), the short answer is "no." They have some admirable beliefs and practices, but many are not Biblical according to our traditions nor to CM.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in hell.

They believe in free will, which is not heretical.

They believe that man can have "a holy spirit" which seems familiar to the readers of CM.

They believe that the Holy Spirit is a "force" rather than a "person."

They do believe that Jesus is a created being apparently.

They believe in a future world government headed by Jesus Christ, which many who profess Christianity also believe.

They have instrumental music, which is contrary to almost every writer in CM.

They are a fast-growing group, and show great courage in resisting nationalism and warfare.

They don't believe in hereditary total depravity which is a much more positive and friendly attitude toward God, than in most of the Christian groups.

These are some differences and similarities that I noticed.

Donnie did address JW's in his lead-in reply, but we got sidetracked by extraneous issues so that our minds became blighted toward Biblical truth. Lots of silly talk followed, and the main thread of the posting was ignored. This is all our faults.



 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Is Donnie and Ken just a Jehovah's Witness in Disguise?

January 6 2017, 1:13 AM 

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in hell.

Edward Fudge who debunks hell is a favorite of places like the LU spectacles.

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Is Donnie and Ken just a Jehovah's Witness in Disguise?

January 5 2017, 4:15 PM 

If God authorized bicycles why did He give us cars?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Is Donnie and Ken just a Jehovah's Witness in Disguise?

January 5 2017, 9:16 PM 

What JW REFUTE

Trinity

Definition: The central doctrine of religions of Christendom. According to the Athanasian Creed, there are three divine Persons (the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, none greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God. Other statements of the dogma emphasize that these three “Persons” are not separate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. Thus some Trinitarians emphasize their belief that Jesus Christ is God, or that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Jehovah. Not a Bible teaching.

 
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Re: Is Donnie and Ken just a Jehovah's Witness in Disguise?

January 5 2017, 10:28 PM 

Just to create an atmosphere that gives the Churches of Christ due credit, and to make them familiar to those readers who might happen on this site, I want to say a few things. For the reader who is not familiar with Jehovah's Witnesses (JW) and also knows little about the Churches of Christ:

JW's are cultic, and it would be difficult for JW's to operate freely as do all the members of the Churches of Christ, in the public arena. JW's apparently encourage minimal contact between their members and the general community. Churches of Christ more or less follow the commandments in 1 Corinthians that Christians can operate in the world although they do not have to adopt the lifestyles of sin that is often around them.

The attempt to tie JW's to the Churches of Christ or to any members of Churches of Christ is way off base, since there are so many deep differences. JW's are encouraged not to vote, not to hold public offices, not to show respect to the flag, that Jesus was crucified on a stake and not on a cross, and have many other rather unique and otherwise strange practices.

Churches of Christ come from an entirely different direction, in that they have historically been without written creed, favoring freedom for the individual to study the Bible and arrive at conclusions in this open, but Biblically literate way.

Churches of Christ are a major player in the Christian community and their membership contains many famous people. There is virtually no belief or practice of the Churches of Christ that is not held by some other major non-cultic and respected Christian group. This similarity of orthodoxy with the majority Christian community is even true for most all the points of discussion found in this site, Concerned Members.

A cult refers to a group which is (1) "heretical" in general beliefs and (2) restrain their members with association with members of other groups.

Churches of Christ are unique in that virtually they use no stringed instruments of music, nor mechanical means of making music. This practice, although a minority practice in the Christian community, is also practiced by other Christian groups that are held in high regard by the majority Christian community.

The association of baptism with remission of sins and salvation is also not unique to Churches of Christ, but is also prevalent among the community of Christian churches. So Churches of Christ are not pariahs, but firmly orthodox in every belief and practice, although some times it is a minority player, but more than not a majority player.


 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Is Donnie and Ken just a Jehovah's Witness in Disguise?

January 5 2017, 11:40 PM 

You note and observe that there are a couple who have been on the attack for about 15 years. The "scholars" as neo-trinitarians always like to associate anyone who quotes Scripture as JWs.

Here are a few "core" facts which make Churches of Christ both Biblical and Historical.

The CENI is defined over and over in Scripture and was the "Apostolic" basis of most early denominations.

http://www.piney.com/CENI.Commands.Examples.Necessary.Inferences.html

The NAME of Christ is used over and over in connection with the Church as the Body of Christ. That is documented in all periods of the last 2,000 years.

http://www.piney.com/ChofChristName.html

Not using instruments dates from the Church in the wilderness and was never changed. Founders of denominations and scholars refute instruments as destroying worship IN Spirit

http://www.piney.com/MuIndex2.html

Churches of Christ once taught "voluntary giving" and Scripture has no LAW of Tithes and Offerings and church history agrees;

http://www.piney.com/Lay.by.him.in.store.html

Churches of Christ never taught the trinity even though men like John Mark Hicks loves to twist Alexander Campbell. Remember those song books stripped of "blesed trinity?"

Until lately most Churches of Christ were WORD or teaching-preaching centered.

Churches of Christ were repudiated for teaching that the Law of Moses does not define faith and practices for a New Testament Church. That has recently changed quite radically.

http://www.piney.com/Alexander.Campbell.Sermon.on.the.Law.html

What Peter said "Baptism FOR the remission of sins" cannot be disputed and is pretty unique.

I doubt that anyone can find a faithful preacher or eldership which are Purpose Driven to "infiltrate and divert the group and its property" to another denomination. It is the confessed pattern to set up an attack against the teachings of the group which feeds them, push for new property and then reveal their 20/20 vision to confiscate your property.

These, I believe, are the FUNDAMENTALS of the Faith which are compromised by the Social Gospel.

Concerned Members have always upheld these doctrines. Reviews have always been on books or published sermons which, quite suddenly, refute ALL of these values.

These are off the top of my head and ALL of them have been refuted and mocked by the refuters and mockers.






    
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Sarge
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Re: Is Donnie and Ken just a Jehovah's Witness in Disguise?

January 6 2017, 2:43 PM 


JW also have "Singing" in common with the Church of Christ.


 
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Sarge
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Re: Is Donnie and Ken just a Jehovah's Witness in Disguise?

January 6 2017, 3:06 PM 



Ken, you seem a bit reserved today. Is all well?

 
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Ken Sublett
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Re: Is Donnie and Ken just a Jehovah's Witness in Disguise?

January 8 2017, 12:19 PM 

Not even cults such as the Progressive Churches of Christ bent on institution building are always wrong. The JW quote the Britannica:

Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew Scriptures: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord” (Deuteronomy 6:4). The earliest Christians, however, had to cope with the implications of the coming of Jesus Christ and of the presumed presence and power of God among them—i.e., the Holy Spirit, whose coming was connected with the celebration of the Pentecost. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were associated in such New Testament passages as the Great Commission: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19); and in the apostolic benediction: “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all” (2 Corinthians 13:14). Thus, the New Testament established the basis for the doctrine of the

The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. Initially, both the requirements of monotheism inherited from the Hebrew Scriptures and the implications of the need to interpret the biblical teaching to Greco-Roman religions seemed to demand that the divine in Christ as the Word, or Logos, be interpreted as subordinate to the Supreme Being. An alternative solution was to interpret Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three modes of the self-disclosure of the one God but not as distinct within the being of God itself. The first tendency recognized the distinctness among the three, but at the cost of their equality and hence of their unity (subordinationism); the second came to terms with their unity, but at the cost of their distinctness as “persons” (modalism). It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons.

The Council of Nicaea in 325 stated the crucial formula for that doctrine in its confession that the Son is “of the same substance [homoousios] as the Father,” even though it said very little about the Holy Spirit. Over the next half century, Athanasius defended and refined the Nicene formula, and, by the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of Basil of Caesarea, Gregory of Nyssa, and Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since. It is accepted in all of the historic confessions of Christianity, even though the impact of the Enlightenment decreased its importance.


The H. Leo Boles, LU and GA teaching is TRITHEISM and is not the historic trinity. If John Mark Hicks and LU are correct and the godhead is "three separate centers of consciousness (spirits) able to hold communion" they they are ANTI historic trinitarianism. They do not grasp that:

Godhead does not mean a three-headed god but theotes speaks of the Man Jesus being filled with the DIVINE NATURE. To the extent that we are IN Cchrist with "A" holy personal spirit:

2Pet. 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us
.....through the righteousness of God
.....AND
.....our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2Pet. 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you
.....through the knowledge of God,
.....AND
.....of Jesus our Lord,
2Pet. 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pet. 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises:
.....that by these
.....ye might be partakers of the divine nature,
.....having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.


People who speak exclusively of Salvation BY grace THROUGH Faith CANNOT ask or answer "Kept SAFE from WHAT"?

The answer is KEPT SAFE FROM THEM who "lade burdens" with a staff of "Burden Laders."

Salvation is DENIED by those who spend fortunes teaching a "christian WORLD view" because no potential DISCIPLE OF CHRIST (only) is OF THIS WORLD.

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Are You There, God? It's You, Jesus!!!

January 16 2017, 3:23 AM 

trinity.jpg . . . . . . . . trinitynonsense.jpg

 
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Bill
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Re: Are You There, God? It's You, Jesus!!!

January 16 2017, 9:20 AM 

Donnie, staying up until 3:23 AM to mock Jesus with your pictures only shows your insecurity...and your obsession. They won't change the fact that Jesus is God.

 
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Sarge
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Re: Are You There, God? It's You, Jesus!!!

January 16 2017, 12:57 PM 



I too was shocked when Donnie posted a picture of Jesus. That was a first for Donnie!

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Sarge
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Re: Are You There, God? It's You, Jesus!!!

January 16 2017, 1:08 PM 

Sarge, you may not be that observant. sad.gif

Did you not notice the other picture? 1+1+1 = 1

There may be a second, a third (and more) coming....

 
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Bill
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Re: Are You There, God? It's You, Jesus!!!

January 16 2017, 1:33 PM 

Donnie apparently feels that posting controversial and irreverent pictures will induce people to espouse his peculiar and often-controversial theology. Instead, such pictures merely confirm his insecurity and desperation all the more.

 
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Donnie
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Re: Are You There, God? It's You, Jesus!!!

January 16 2017, 2:14 PM 

Thanks, Bill, Doctor of Psychoanalysis.

The Trinity Dogma has been controversial since the Council of Nicea with Emperor Constantine presiding officially approved it (ca. 4th century). With the aid of translators centuries LATER.

Your diagnosis is wrong. I am very secure about what the Scripture has taught me -- that there is only one true God, the Father of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ cried and said to his Father and his God: "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Remember?

 
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Donnie
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Re: Are You There, God? It's You, Jesus!!!

January 16 2017, 2:00 PM 

Bill,

I was only illustrating the Pope's [with his followers] concept of the Roman Catholic Church Trinity dogma. Admit it: The picture clarifies "your fact that 'Jesus is God'" more than "a thousand words" can.

Here are some of the many differences between man's dogma and the Scripture:

Dogma: God came to earth to become flesh (Pope).
Scripture: God sent His only begotten Son to earth (John 3:16).

Dogma: Jesus is God (Pope).
Scripture: Jesus is THE SON OF GOD [numerous passages].

Dogma: The Father is God; the Son of God is God; the Holy Spirit is God (Pope).
Scripture: There is only one true God the Father (John 6:27; I Cor. 8:6; Gal. 1:1,3; Eph. 6:23; Phil 2:11; I Thess. 1:1; II Tim. 1:2; Titus 1:4; I Peter 1:2; II Peter 1:17; II John 1:3; Jude 1:1; etc.).

 
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Re: Are You There, God? It's You, Jesus!!!

January 16 2017, 2:16 PM 

Is it odd that virtually no one, especially the Trinitarians, makes the point that Jesus is fully human? Check the early creeds!

 
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Donnie
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Re: Are You There, God? It's You, Jesus!!!

January 16 2017, 2:42 PM 

Here are passages to consider:
John.7[42] Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?

Rom.1[3] Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

2Tim.2[8] Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Was "the true God the Father" of the seed of David?

Was God born "in a manger" (Luke 2:7,12,16)?

Did God increase "in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man" (Luke 2:52)?

 
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