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What is "Judeao-Christian Values"?

March 7 2017 at 5:53 PM
Dianna Howell  (Login dianna01)
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I've been coming across this phrase on many websites on the internet (Judeao Christian values). It makes no sense to me, as the Law of Moses was ended when Christ came. Can we discuss some verses that will help combat this misrepresentation of the truth? Also, I've been reading the comment, "that Jesus was a Jew ". From what I understand the term Jew was not in the vocabulary until much later. Any comments?

 
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Re: What is "Judeao-Christian Values"?

March 7 2017, 8:55 PM 

Very important question.

I have noted that Jacob cursed the Levites and commanded that the true Israelites not attend the assemblies of Levi nor to enter into their Covenant. They would experience SHILOH or REST by attending the synagogue to quarantine the godly people FROM the God-Abandoned Civil-Military-Clergy. This was prophetic and pointed to the SEED of Abraham.

THE JEWISH Monarchy was an ECLIPSE: [SKIA] an obscuring of the light from one celestial body by the passage of another between it and the observer or between it and its source of illumination. synonyms: blotting out, blocking, covering, obscuring, concealing, darkening; occultation.

ISAIAH BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:

Is. 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Is. 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Col. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you
in meat,
or in drink,
or in respect of an holyday,
or of the new moon,
or of the sabbath days:
Col. 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

A Shadow is something truly Evil:

G4639 skia skee'-ah Apparently a primary word; “shade” or a shadow (literally or figuratively [darkness of error or an adumbration]):--shadow.
Skia
2. reflection, image (in a bowl of oil), Sch.Il.17.755.
3. shade of one dead, phantom, Od.10.495, A.Th.992,
of worthless things, that phantom at Delphi, of the Amphictyonic council, D.5.25; hai tou dikaiou s. mere shadows of .
4. evil spirit, Hippiatr.130, PMasp.188.5
also, of one worn to a shadow, A.Eu.302;

umbra A shade, ghost of a dead person (poet. and in post-Aug. prose; cf.: “Manes, Lemures) i. e. Pluto, [Hades]
Like the Greek skia, an uninvited guest, whom an invited one brings with him (cf. parasitus), Hor. S. 2, 8, 22; id. Ep. 1, 5, 28; Plaut. Pers. 2, 4, 27; so, of an attendant: “luxuriae,” Cic. Mur. 6, 13.

The Greek PARASITE applies to all religious operative pretending that you could not approach God without attending OUR services and FEEDING our face. After people caught on to the sacrifical altars, the MUSICIANS were left and continued to be parasites by doing ANYTHING to eat up the widow's living.

BUT, the futurorum Asserting existence, to be, exist, live: [Jesus became the LIVING REST or SHILOH]

In the Old Testament emphasis is on THE COVENANT MADE WITH ABRAHAM who was a Syrian or a GENS since there were no Jews.

In Galatians 3 Paul LEAPFROGS the entire Law of Moses Period and declares that a disciple is a CHILD of God and of ABRAHAM.

The Law was ADDED BECAUSE OF TRANSGRESSION

Gal. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The transgression was the PLAY at Mount Sinai which was vocal, instrumental and deviously sexual. That continued in Jerusalem and is being repeated under the leadership of the Babylon Mother of Harlots: history notes that sometimes mother goddesses can be MALE.

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There is NOTHING Jewish which contributed to the Shiloh, Rest, Mediator. Unfortunately, the Phduhs at the infiltrated universities have gone almost totally Jewish a people God sentenced to Captivity and Death because they were PURPOSE DRIVEN to bring Egyptian Abominations with them. They use Miriam as their PATTERN but her prophesying like that of the Levites was soothsaying

Soothsaying and/or Sorcery was facilitated by the use of loud instruments.

The Jews did not have the values to keep the ten commandments even to the time Moses came down with the tablets and BROKE THEM forever because they are never restated in their original form. People who speak about "values" probably want you to pay them.

True or note what people believe IS the IS for them.

The DAKTYLS, being the Greek word for "fingers," are the humans depicted as spirits born from Gaia pressing her fingers into the ground. They are thus thought to be the real people who sprang from the earth, placing the folkloric memories of the DAKTYLS, like the KABIRI representation of Original Man, deep into the evolutionary past. It is said that the first wise men descended from the DAKTYLS. Were they the first to introduce language back in 500,000 B.C.? Homo sapien, recall, does mean "wise or intelligent man."

We'll probably never know, but they did invent the notes of the musical scale and introduced musical instruments into the Pelasgian region. As soothsayers, sorcerers, and conjurers their magical practices and mysteries traveled to Italy and Greece.

The DAKTYLS, being the Greek word for "fingers," are the humans depicted as spirits born from Gaia pressing her fingers into the ground. They are thus thought to be the real people who sprang from the earth, placing the folkloric memories of the DAKTYLS, like the KABIRI representation of Original Man, deep into the evolutionary past. It is said that the first wise men descended from the DAKTYLS. Were they the first to introduce language back in 500,000 B.C.? Homo sapien, recall, does mean "wise or intelligent man."

Whatever they were called and wherever they were found, The Children of Gaiety all shared the same attributes - a connection with the feminine power, the mother of the gods; a working of the magical arts and warding off of harm, all dancing down the forces of nature in the midst of a great din. In fact, the ancient writers often used their names as a synonym for the "magician."


That is the Jubal, Jabal, Tubal-Cain and Naamah story and is THAT to which God abandoned the Jews when they rejected Grace. Jesus may agree when He said that HE was from above but the Jews were from below: He did not pray for THE WORLD and said that neither He nor His lost flock were OF the World.





    
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Re Jew & Judeao-Christian

March 8 2017, 4:08 AM 

Wikipedia has pretty good articles for these terms. "Jew" or a similar or cognate word is well attested in the O.T. Often Esther:2 is used as an example.

"Judeao-Christian" is not a religious term, but a fairly recent use intended to describe an ethical and overall religious attitude descended from Judaism through Christianity. It is almost exclusively American, but I understand becoming somewhat moore common in British usage. Jews, especially conservative Jews, often find it offensive. Consider it an extra-biblical term of use with no specific religious meaning.

 
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Re: Re Jew & Judeao-Christian

March 8 2017, 9:44 AM 

The expression is a result of the Holocaust, where Christians began to identify with Jews. Theodor Herzl brought Zionism into notoriety in late 19th century and this jelled with certain evangelical circles such as Darby and 19th century utopian dreams. This is the merger of Judaism and Christianity. The evangelical support for the state of Israel is a result of this type of thinking. Zionism, by the way, is rejected by much of Judaism, where many Jews and Christians believe that there was far less Jewish prejudice BEFORE the establishment of that state and the advent of Herzlism than there is now.

Modern Christian theologians are in communion with Jewish scholars concerning the similarities of Judaism and Christianity. "Judeo-Christian", the expression of the merger of thought, is a common expression in colleges and universities with Bible and Divinity programs.

Modern thought now blames the crucifixion of Christ, not on the Jewish establishment in Jerusalem, but more on the Roman principalities during that time, particularly Pontius Pilate. The theory is that when Christianity was gaining power in the second and third centuries during the Roman Empire that the Christian writers could not blame the crucifixion on the Romans, because this is where they were getting converts, and so cast the blame on the Jewish leaders in first century Jerusalem. The Gospels however blame the crucifixion of Christ on the INTERPLAY of Roman Power with the corrupt Jewish Establishment in Jerusalem, not just on Pontius Pilate. This figure represents the guilt of the entire world, both Jew and Gentiles, in the crucifixion of the Christ.

Other than that, there are some ideas common with Judaism and Christianity, i.e. between the Old and New Testaments concerning the nature of God, man, and sin. This is what some are talking about when they say "Judeo-Christian" theology. For example, that God is one (monotheism), that man has fallen into sin and needs a savior (sin and grace), that societies should care for the poor, that the laws of God supersede the dictates of man (Daniel in the Lion's Den). Paul used the writings of the Old Testament figuratively with powerful effect, to turn them on their head, in affirming that Jesus is Lord and Messiah.

The common ground for Judaism and Christianity lies in first century life, where Jesus was able to divine the difference between sacramental Judaism, including the dietary and oral laws, and Christianity of the heart. This is where the heart, faith, the internal, intention, spirit, and grace all come in. Jesus rejects the external saving nature of the Mosaic Law. and shows that salvation comes not through obedience alone, but through a faith that brings obedience. When Christians are able to end their prayers with "In Jesus name, Amen" then we will know that Christianity is different from Judaism.

Judaism continued on after the life of Christ to incorporate the "oral tradition" into their holy books beginning the second century AD. So Judaism has a life extending centuries after Christ, with holy books explain Jewish life continuing to be written. The rock and stone of Judaism continues to be the Pentateuch (Law) as well as the Prophets and Writings (Old Testament poetic books), with supplemental material that is written centuries later in the AD era.

So it is with what is commonly called Christianity, with the development of the tradition of the Catholic Church for 2000 years. This tradition became so powerful, that the leaders of the Reformation who were choking under it, proclaimed it to be presumptive. Many of them broke the structure of the Catholic Church, but they continued many of those traditions.

It is with the Restoration Movements that life became even more exciting. This is the idea that not only should we endorse "Scriptures Alone" but we should use only the scriptures to detail every aspect of worship of Christian life.

 
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Re: Re Jew & Judeao-Christian

March 8 2017, 10:05 AM 

Thanks: sorry I jumped in too fast.

 
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Re: Re Jew & Judeao-Christian

March 8 2017, 10:03 AM 

So-called Messianic Jews promoted by my old "investment" at North Boulevard Church in Murfreesboro and a favorite of LU and other "workshops" is based on the Babylonian Talmud which is filled with the worst kind of teachings. These are the "traditions of the fathers, Old Wives Tales and Jewish Fables."

They claim that you cannot understand the Bible without some Jewish blood. They may be ignorant of the fact that whole countries can trace their Jewish blood through one or a few females. They claim that the New Testament continues the Old Testament and Jesus was-is the Messiah of the Jews. As of old, Gentiles duped into feeding them CAN be included. You will find few traces of Semite or darker leaders in Israel and Christians still have many difficulties.

Like Christians, they have been separated by a Godly Remnant ruled over by the Civil-Military-Clergy. When God made the NEW COVENANT it was with the HOUSE of Jacob and Judah and with Gentiles: Paul had to debunk the predestined state of the Jews in his "sermon" in Romans 9-11 and in 1 Corinthians 10. This speaks of the families as LAOS or Laity excluding Priests and Levites or Canaanites in the house (1 Corinthians 10-Isaiah:33.

The Senior Pastor from Jubilee onward is THE leader and the elders are HIS shepherds. Russ Adcox (my last investment) claims that he is the Authoritative Teacher which Jesus thought belonged to Him. The MARK of falling backwards into "those God turned over to worship the starry host" (Amos-Acts) WILL be imposed upon them and the meaning of HOLOCAUST.

Beginning with the Zoe Musical diverters, people have been praying for Holy Fires to Fall. Zoe was at Highland before ACappella became their "music minister."

http://www.piney.com/Zoe-Look-To-The-Hills.html

The IGNIS or fire starter is connected to inciter, exciter:

Abilene Christian University Press has recently issued "God's Holy Fire is highly endorsed by Royce Money, ACU president. "God's Holy Fire promises to challenge and enrich current study of the Bible in our churches...A must-read for Christians commited to applying God's Word to their daily lives. Ken Cukrowski, Mark Hamilton, and James Thompson ACU Press."

http://www.piney.com/Gods.Holy.Fire.ACU.html

http://www.piney.com/Elaine.Heath.ACU.Summit.2012.html

ELAINE HEATH CHAPTER 10 TONGUES OF FIRE.

[159] What we really need today are new tongues of fire, a new Pentecost in American. This alone will open us to the divine hospitality that is so radical that the walls of gender, race, and class dissolve in its healing reach. We need a Pentcostal outpouring that is about the love of God, a mighty wind that sweeps away the sinful cast systems that have deformed the Americal Church. We need a baptism of cleansing that will heal the wounds of domestic violence and sexual abuse, that will liberate both the oppressed and the oppressor, tht will send God's people out of the church into their neighborhoods with God's redeeming and reconciling love....The untamed presence of the living God is the only power that can heal the threefold wound. Nothing else will do.
I am talking about a widespread surrender and obedience to God the Holy Spirit. Outside of North America, Pentecostalism is the fastest form of Christianity in the World. It is pan-denominational.


LU has also featured a female calling for the FIRES TO FALL.

-Incentor, I. one who sets the tune or begins to sing, a precentor, singer (post-class.).
I. Lit.: “carminis,” Paul. Nol. Carm. 15, 32: “incentore canam Phoebo [APOLLON Musisque magistris,
II. Trop., an inciter, exciter: “igneus turbarum,” Amm. 15, 1, 2: “civilis belli,” Oros. 5, 19: “rebellionis totius,”

The Musisque Magistris includes "A mistress, superior, conductress, directress" of music." C. Phoebas , ădis, f., a priestess of Apollo; hence the inspired one, the prophetess,


The Muses aka LOCUSTS were under direction of Apollo or Apollyon.

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Why Do the Heathen Rage

March 8 2017, 12:59 PM 

Why do the HEATHEN--then and now--RAGE?

http://www.piney.com/Psalm.2.Why.Heathen.Rage.html

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In a good sense consistent with the SPEAKING and then making melody IN THE HEART as a PLACE.

Eph. 5:19 SPEAKING to yourselves IN psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,
singing and making melody IN YOUR HEART TO THE LORD.
Eph. 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

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Singing and MELOS or melody was Speaking Syllable by Syllable: The PATTERN was to TEACH with that which is written for our learning.

1Tim. 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to
.....[Public] reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
1Tim. 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, [TEACHING]
.....with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
1Tim. 4:15 MEDITATE upon these things;
.....give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
1Tim. 4:16 Take heed unto thyself,
.....and unto the DOCTRINE; continue in them:
.....for in doing this thou shalt both SAVE thyself, and them that HEAR thee.


That defines INCLUSIVELY AND EXCLUSIVELY the pattern defined for the Church in the wilderness: PREACH the WORD by READING the WORD.

THE REASON BOTH MALE AND FEMALE ARE TO BE QUIET AND SEDENTARY:

Phil. 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving
.....let your requests be made known unto God.
Phil. 4:7 And thePEACE (silence) of God, which passeth all understanding,
.....shall keep your HEARTS and MINDS through Christ Jesus.

Phil. 4:8 Finally, brethren,
.....whatsoever things are true,
.....whatsoever things are honest,
.....whatsoever things are just,
.....whatsoever things are pure,
.....whatsoever things are lovely,
.....whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue,
.....and if there be any praise, THINK on these things.

Phil. 4:9 Those things, which
.....ye have both learned,
.....and received,
.....and heard,
.....and seen in me, do:
.....and the God of PEACE shall be with you.


G1515. eirene, ; probably from a primary verb eiro (to join); peace (literally or figuratively); by implication, prosperity: — one, PEACE, QUIETNESS, REST+ set at ONE AGAIN

THINK is not something you do with a VOODOO DRUM:

g3049. logizomai, log-idЂ-zom-ahee; middle voice from 3056; to take an inventory, i.e. estimate (literally or figuratively): — conclude, (ac-)count (of), + despise, esteem, impute, lay, number, reason, reckon, suppose, think (on).

THE ONLY RESOURCE IS ALWAYS INCLUDED AS THE LOGOS

g3056. logos, logЂ-os; from 3004;

This is the Regulative Principle, opposite of personal opinions, personal experiences, singing, playing instruments, acting or anything to create the LADED BURDEN meaning "Spiritual anxiety produced by religious ceremony."

Rom. 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Reasonable worship is WORD EXCLUSIVE: G3050. logikos, log-ik-osЂ; from 3056; rational (“logical”): — reasonable, of the word.

Rom. 12:2 And be not conformed to this WORLD: but be ye transformed by the RENEWING OF YOUR MIND that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God


No PhDuh can misunderstand the absolute PATTERN from the wilderness onward and never change. Of the Unity in Diversity they preach forcing YOU to submit to THEIR mercinary diversity. Jesus as Holy Spirit had Paul say that THEY ARE LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE. They are even forced to warn you that they plan to sow discord but WE WILL MOVE SLOWLY so that YOU KNOW were WE are taking you.









    
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Re: Why Do the Heathen Rage

March 8 2017, 2:41 PM 

The gnostic Marcion tried to divorce Christianity from the Old Testament but wasn't successful.

Without that foundation, the New Testament books could not stand on their own.

After all, quotes from Old Testament are scattered throughout the New Testament.

 
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Re: Why Do the Heathen Rage

March 8 2017, 2:44 PM 

But Marcion did point out difficulties that have yet to be resolved!

 
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Re: Why Do the Heathen Rage

March 8 2017, 3:01 PM 

The local elders (not apt) gave me a lot of trouble because in a men's class on Romans a couple of us were tying Romans back to the Old Testament. Now, they are appealing to the Jacob-cursed and God-Abandoned Levites as their PATTERN for deliberately sowing discord and adding instruments including something like a Voodoo drum.

Give us some Marcion and see what we can do with it. Didn't he collect a couple of female prophetesses and claim some supernatural contact. As I remember it both prophetesses killed themselves on the same day.

 
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Re: Why Do the Heathen Rage

March 8 2017, 3:43 PM 

Montanus had the prophetesses. Marcion deleted the sentences of Paul that endorsed Old Testament ideas. Deleted NT books he didn't like.

This is like cherry pickers of Old and New Testaments as you mentioned.


 
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Bobby Valentine Massacres Churches of Christ

March 8 2017, 7:09 PM 

Bobby Valentine and Marcionism and Churches of Christ.

http://www.piney.com/Bobby.Valentime.Marcionism.And.Churches.of.Christ.html

In previous essays under the working title "Marcionism & Churches of Christ" we have asked basically why are we here. Now I want to explore what happens when we actually "loose" the Hebrew Bible as a shaping/grounding source for "sound doctrine" (a phrase btw that cannot be reduced to the "marks of the church" as is so frequently done)

A word on the word "loss." By "loss" I do not mean to say a preacher never does a character study of a person which is one of the more frequent uses of the Hebrew Bible or quotes from it from time to time. By "loss" I mean the doctrine/theology of the Hebrew Bible that formed and shaped Israel, [SHAPED] Jesus and the early church are no longer the primary "glasses" that we view all doctrine and life through. Are we shaped by the worldview that the "bible of Jesus" creates with its distinctive story of God?

Yet the issue that bothers me most is the authors fail to realize that Christianity is in fact "Jewish."


That's why they burn Phduhs selling their own silliness at retail.

http://www.piney.com/Joe.Shulam.First.Century.Jewish.Identity.as.Model.html

http://www.piney.com/Joe.Shulam.First.Century.Jewish.Identity.as.Model.html

Like we say: it is not possible to be that Bible Illiterate and Paul confirms that Bobbby, John Mark etal are LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE




 
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Re cherry picking

March 9 2017, 11:32 PM 

Thomas Jefferson produced his own Bible, specifically his own Gospels, where he "cherry picked" the sayings of Jesus.
A few years ago someone produced a "critical" analysis of the sayings of Jesus, Jesus would have said this, Jesus would never have said that, etc.
Spin the wheel.

 
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The word jew

April 8 2017, 11:17 AM 

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

In 1345, a man by the name of Wycliffe in England thought that it was time to translate the Bible into English. There was no English edition of the Bible because who the Devil could read? It was only the educated church people who could read Latin and Greek, Syriac, Aramaic and the other languages. Anyhow, Wycliffe translated the Bible into English. But in it, he had to look around for some words for Judaeas and Judaius. 

There was no English word because Judea had passed out of existence. There was no Judea. People had long ago forgotten that. So in the first translation he used the word, in referring to Jesus, as 'gyu', "jew". At the time, there was no printing press.
Then, between 1345 and the 17th century, when the press came into use, that word passed through so many changes... I have them all here. If you want I can read them to you. I will. That word 'gyu' which was in the Wycliffe Bible became. . . first it was ' gyu ', then ' giu ', then ' iu ' (because the ' i ' in Latin is pronounced like the ' j '. Julius Caesar is ' Iul ' because there is no 'j' in Latin) then ' iuw ', then ' ieuu ', then ' ieuy ', then ' iwe ', then ' iow ', then ' iewe ', all in Bibles as time went on. Then ' ieue ', then ' iue ', then ' ive ', and then ' ivw ', and finally in the 18th century... ' jew '. Jew. 

All the corrupt and contracted forms for Judaius, and Judaeas in Latin. Now, there was no such thing as 'Jew', and any theologian -- I've lectured in maybe 20 of the most prominent theological seminaries in this country, and two in Europe -- there was no such word as Jew. There only was Judea, and Jesus was a Judean and the first English use of a word in an English bible to describe him was 'gyu' -- Jew. A contracted and shortened form of Judaeus, just the same as we call a laboratory a 'lab', and gasoline 'gas'... a tendency to short up. 

 
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Re: The word jew

April 8 2017, 11:58 AM 

Judea is a very small plot of land. The New Testament does not use "Jew" with favor because at that time they were not true Israelites.

I remember the "plowboy" statement and just found it. They still "chain the preacher to the pulpit" and that pretty well "strangles" those writing for the normal purpose

The JW did us a favor.

“Englishmen learn Christ’s law best in English.”—JOHN WYCLIFFE

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2009402#h=11

Within 200 years, the English used by Wycliffe was virtually obsolete. A young preacher near Bristol was frustrated that so few could understand the Bible. On one occasion, the preacher, William Tyndale, heard an educated man say that it would be better to be without God’s law than without the pope’s. Tyndale responded by stating that if God allowed him, before long he would make sure that even a plowboy would have more knowledge of the Bible than the educated man.

Wycliffe had translated from the Latin Vulgate and manually copied the Scriptures. In 1524, Tyndale, having left England for Germany, began translating directly from the original Hebrew and Greek and then employed a press in Cologne to print copies. Soon, Tyndale’s enemies learned of the translation and persuaded the Senate of Cologne to order all copies confiscated.

Tyndale fled to the city of Worms, Germany, and resumed his work. Not long thereafter, copies of Tyndale’s Greek Scriptures in English were secretly shipped to England. Within six months, so many copies had been sold that an emergency meeting of bishops was called and Bible burnings were ordered.

To stem the tide of Bible reading and Tyndale’s alleged heresy, the bishop of London commissioned Sir Thomas More to attack Tyndale in writing. More was particularly upset at Tyndale’s use of the word “congregation” instead of “church,” and “senior” or “elder” rather than “priest.” These words challenged the authority of the pope and the distinction between clergy and laity. Thomas More also condemned Tyndale’s translation of the Greek word a·gaʹpe as “love” rather than “charity.” “This, too, was a notion dangerous to the Church,” says the book If God Spare My Life, “for the apparent downgrading of charity might undermine the lucrative donations, indulgences and bequests with which the faithful were persuaded to pave their way to heaven.”

Thomas More promoted the burning of “heretics,” which led to Tyndale’s being strangled and his body burned at the stake in October 1536. Thomas More, for his part, was beheaded after running afoul of the king. However, he was canonized by the Roman Catholic Church in 1935, and in the year 2000, Pope John Paul II honored More as the patron saint of politicians.

Tyndale received no such recognition. However, before his death, his friend Miles Coverdale integrated Tyndale’s translation into a complete Bible—the first English translation from the original languages! Every plowboy could now read God’s Word. What about the Bible in languages other than English?

It would be wonderful if preachers could understand the PATTERN for the wilderness and never changed.

Both Jews and Gentile "plowboys" were wise unto salvation because they attended the synagoogue as the only real SCHOOL.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that PREACH him, being READ in the synagogues every sabbath day.

We understand "lord's supper" as just once week but not the Ecclesia as the READING ASSEMBLY.

Taking liberties with John Calvin: the Plowing Oxen understand but not the Lazy Asses.

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their RULERS,
because they knew him not,
nor yet the voices of the prophets
which are READ every SABBATH day,
they have fulfilled them in condemning him

Sabbath was never a Day of Worship but a day of REST to quarantine the godly people from the popular "worship services" of the pagans. These were often called PLAYS in THEATERS.








 
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Re: What is &quot;Judeao-Christian Values&quot;?

April 18 2017, 5:29 PM 

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What Happened at the Madison Church of Christ?


There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.

This book is only about one of those churches. It's about the Madison Church Of Christ. By studying the methods used here along with the resource references you might be able to inoculate your church. At the very least you will recognize the signs early on.

Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't know what happened.
Some never will know! This book is for them as well.

Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.

It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word of Jesus Christ.

At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly realm.

They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.

The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan. Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books, seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....

At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the "Community Church Movement"

Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready, or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the plans very nature, it had to be secret.

The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last 15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.

The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the elders went along unwittingly.

This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill in some of the timeline.

To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the background materials in the first of the book.

This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison

Here is the list of players;

5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
 

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