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Will SOMEONE explain why people perform WORSHIP and hire WORSHIP LEADERS?

May 24 2017 at 8:44 PM
Ken Sublett  (Login Ken.Sublett)
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If neither the Church or synagogue in the wilderness for the godly people NOR the Ekklesia or Assembly of Christ has WORSHIP PATTERNS DEFINED, why would people PAY others to prescribe, perform and get paid for that which THEY have inherited from Apollon and the Muses? This is a rhetorical question because it cannot be owned and confessed:

John 9[31] We know that God doesn't listen to sinners,
.....but if anyone is a worshipper of God,
.....and does his will,
.....he listens to him.

Go ahead: God does not dwell in houses built by human hands and is not worshipped with the works of human hands and of the Lord-Lord sayers, He doesn't know your name. Adding more insults HE DOES NOT LISTEN to those who say that God DOES NOT HAVE A WILL so "we have to do self-willed worship."

The only role we can play is to BOW to His will and take care of the VINES:

cultor one who bestows care or labor upon a thing, an elaborator, cultivator, a vine-dresser, a tutor, teacher,
B. A worshipper, reverencer: “deorum,” Hor. C. 1, 34, 1: “numinis,” Ov. M. 1, 327:

Pure Religion is PATTERNED:
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this,
.....To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction,
.....and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Threskia as IMPURE religion is in play when the MEN who became BOYS or children PIPED hoping to get Jesus and everyone to lament (Throeo) or sing and dance in the ouchy initiation into the always-gay religioushood. Historians note that the practices of the Jews at the time of Jesus proved that they hoped that Dionysus or Bacchus would be their Messiah or god. When He would not submit they had him murdered.

threskos as religion from 2360 throeo to wail, clamor, frighten, trouble. “tou Apollōnos, the Jewish Sect, worshiping of angels Col 2:18, religious formalism
.....OR a disposition to observe divine law, piety toward God, self-restraint

The only worship offered to God is:
.....nūmen a nodding with the head, a nod, a nod, i. e. command, will, divine sway divine sway
.....lecto I. Act., to bend, bow, curve to B. Godhead, divinity, deity, divine majesty, etc.

Worship in Hebrew: h812. shachah, shaw-khaw´; a primitive root; to depress, i.e. prostrate (especially reflexive, in homage to royalty or God):—bow (self) down, crouch, fall down (flat), humbly beseech, do (make) obeisance, do reverence, make to stoop, worship.

No one can do this for you are lead you into submission which is worship IN THE SPIRIT as a place and not on houses or mountains. True worshipers have NOTHING to add to that which is written for our learning.

Worship in Greek: g4352. proskune÷w proskuneo, pros-koo-neh´-o; from 4314 and a probable derivative of 2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore): — worship.

We nod or bow down and are reverent ONLY when paying careful attention to hearing or reading the Word and following it which defines the WAY, road or pattern. Any service to the helpless is bowing to God.

Matt. 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Matt. 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

MOST of the unlawful tithes and offerings go to support the STAFF for which Scripture defines no roles and no funding. Like the Scribes and Pharisees they have to write their own songs and sermons as a way to justify violating the direct command NOT to seek your own pleasure or even SPEAK YOUR OWN WORDS Isaiah 58.

Jesus is not speaking of spending the money of the poor to minister to criminals.

No one ever is said to worship by singing, preaching, giving unlawful tithes and offerings.

Well that's not correct: those who are always defined as AGAINST the only Lord-God are MARKED for burning by all of the Performing arts performed by what Jesus quoting Ezekiel 33 identified performance preachers, singers, instrument players or ANYONE who gathered at their venues.

The only piece of the pattern for ALL disciples is to TEACH: Paul seperated or SECTED OUT the DISCIPLES from the Jews.

TEACHING Veritas Truth, the Word, Logos


The bending, making crooked of musical instruments to aid leasure and drinking wine:

“diligentissimus religionum,” Liv. 5, 50, 1.—Also absol., Verg. A. 11, 788. to the will, might, authority of powerful persons:
1. In gen., to bend, turn, direct: “ducere multimodis voces et flectere cantus,” Lucr. 5, 1406: “vocem,” Ov. Am. 2, 4, 25
a. To bend (in opinion or in will), to move, persuade, prevail upon, overcome, soften, appease (cf.: “moveo,
A. Lit., bent, winding: “error,” Ov. M. 8, 160: B. Trop., of tones, lengthened: “infinito magis illa flexa et circumducta sunt,” Quint. 11, 3, 172.

Remembering that C. Leonard Allen says that GOD IS ECSTATIC or out of His Mind.


According to some, the Corybantes, Cabeiri, Idæan Dactyli, and Telchines are represented as the same persons as the Curetes; according to others, they are related to, yet distinguished from, each other by some slight differences; but to describe them in general terms and more at length,
.....they are inspired with an enthusiastic [The Shelly Principle]
.....and Bacchic frenzy, which is exhibited by them ministers at the celebration of the sacred rites, inspiring terror with armed dances,
.....accompanied with the tumult and noise of cymbals, drums, and armour, .....and with the sound of pipes and shouting;
so that these sacred ceremonies are nearly the same as those that are performed among the Samothracians in Lemnus, and in many other places; since the ministers of the god are said to be the same.15 The whole of this kind of discussion is of a theological nature, and is not alien to the contemplation of the philosopher. [8]

So much then on the subject of the etymology of the name Curetes. [The dance in armour is a military dance; this is shown by the Pyrrhic dance and by Pyrrichus, who, it is said, invented this kind of exercise for youths, to prepare them for military service.]23 [9]

We are now to consider how the names of these people agree together, and the theology, which is contained in their history.

Now this is common both to the Greeks and the Barbarians, perform their religious ceremonies
.....with the observance of a festival,
.....and a relaxation from labour;
.....some are performed with enthusiasm,
.....others without any emotion;
.....some accompanied with music, others without music;
.....some in mysterious privacy, others publicly;
.....and these are the dictates of nature.24
For relaxation from labour withdraws the thoughts from human occupations, and directs the reflecting mind to the divinity:
.....enthusiasm seems to be attended with a certain divine inspiration,
.....and to approach the prophetic character;
.....the mystical concealment of the sacred rites
.....excites veneration for the divinity,
.....and imitates his nature,
.....which shuns human senses and perception;

music also, accompanied with the dance, rhythm, and song,
.....for the same reason brings us near the deity the pleasure which it excites,
.....and by the charms of art.

For it has been justly said, that men resemble the gods chiefly in doing good, but it may be said more properly, when they are happy;
.....and this happiness consists in rejoicing, festivals, in philosophy, and in music.25
For let not the art be blamed, if it should sometimes be abused by the musician employing it to excite voluptuousness in convivial meetings at banquets, on the stage, or under other circum stances, but let the nature of the institutions which are founded on it be examined.26 [10]

Hence Plato, and, before his time, the Pythagoreans, called music philosophy. They maintained that the world subsisted by harmony, and considered every kind of music to be the work of the gods.

It is thus that the muses are regarded as deities,
.....and Apollo has the name of President of the Muses,
.....and all poetry divine, being conversant about the praises of the gods.
Thus also they ascribe to music the formation of manners, everything which refines the mind approximates to the power of the gods.

The greater part of the Greeks attribute to Bacchus, Apollo, Hecate, the Muses, and Ceres, everything connected with orgies and Bacchanalian rites, dances, and the mysteries attended upon initiation. They call also Bacchus, Dionysus, and the chief Dæmon of the mysteries of Ceres.27 The carrying about of branches of trees, dances, and initiations are common to the worship of these gods.

But with respect to Apollo and the Muses,
.....the latter preside over choirs of singers and dancers;
.....the former presides both over these and divination.

All persons instructed in science, and particularly those who have cultivated music,
.....are ministers of the Muses;
.....these and also all who are engaged in divination are ministers of Apollo. Those of Ceres, are the Mystæ, torch-bearers and Hierophants; of Dionysus, Seileni, Satyri, Tityri, Bacchæ Lenæ, Thyiæ, Mimallones, Naïdes, and Nymphæ, as they are called. [11]

But in Crete both these, and the sacred rites of Jupiter in particular,
.....were celebrated with the performance of orgies,
..... and by ministers, like the Satyri,
.....who are employed in the worship of Dionysus.

These were called Curetes, certain youths who executed military movements in armour, accompanied with dancing, exhibiting the fable of the birth of Jupiter, in which Saturn was introduced, whose custom it was to devour his children immediately after their birth; Rhea attempts to conceal the pains of childbirth, and to remove the new-born infant out of sight, using her utmost endeavours to preserve it.

In this she has the assistance of the Curetes who surround the goddess,
.....and by the noise of drums and other similar sounds, dancing in armour and by tumult,
.....endeavour to strike terror into Saturn,
.....and escape notice whilst removing his child.

The child is then delivered into their hands to be brought up with the same care by which he was rescued. The Curetes therefore obtained this appellation, either because they were boys (koroi), or because they educated Jupiter in his youth (kourotrothein), for there are two explanations,
..... inasmuch as they acted the same part with respect to Jupiter the Satyri (with respect to Dionysus).
Such then is the worship of the Greeks, far as relates to the celebration of orgies. [12]

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Rubel Shelly Father of the New Babylonish "Worship."

May 25 2017, 10:29 AM 

Rubel Shelly "Worship" the only purpose for the church
Rubel Shelly: "Praise the LORD. Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good; his love endures forever."

One of the five themes our church affirms in its Mission Statement is authentic and meaningful worship. Like Isaiah, we don't know who we are or what we should do until we see the Lord -- high and lifted up! (Isa. 6:1ff)

God says that He can lift Himself up and even FEED Himself.

When we EXPERIENCE the Lord in Spirit and truth, all else becomes clearer immediately. That is why worship is such an important part of our life at Woodmont Hills. Worship is, in fact, not simply one aspect of our ministry but is at the heart of everything we are about as a church. In my opinion, the single most important thing to an authentically spiritual life is to learn how to praise God. It connects us to the source of all things spiritual.

The praise singer or Encomiast was the world's OLDEST profession who was able to stop working and devote himself and women or gender-conflicted males in ACTS which commanded the gods to in turn PRODUCE more children or lambs. They, in fact, believed that the gods NEEDED to be lifted up so that they would not fail--again.

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Re: Rubel Shelly Father of the New Babylonish "Worship."

May 26 2017, 1:37 AM 

Jesus said that the kingdom of God does not come with observation: observation includes religious observations "beyond the sacred pages.".

My mail indicates that beginning with Shelly and the progressives, the Bible has been made obsolete and the massive COMPLEX with a MASSIVE Staff is paid to PERFORM a worship experience for an ecumenical crowd.

The North Atlanta Church (where my middle daughter was married) says that "We want to OFFER a wide variety of Worship Experiences."

Love First Vision is one of the mantra's of those "transistioning" your congregation into the instrumental sectarians. The implication is that congregations which do NOT OFFER a variety of "worship rituals" do not love you and will probably hurt you.

Plat. Prot. 313d For among the provisions, you know, in which these men deal, not only are they themselves ignorant what is good or bad for the body, since in selling they commend them all, but the people who buy from them are so too, unless one happens to be a trainer or a doctor. And in the same way, those who take their doctrines the round of our cities, hawking them about to any odd purchaser who desires them, commend everything that they sell, and there may well be some of these too, my good sir, who are ignorant which of their wares is

[313e] good or bad for the soul; and in just the same case are the people who buy from them, unless one happens to have a doctor's knowledge here also, but of the soul. So then, if you are well informed as to what is good or bad among these wares, it will be safe for you to buy doctrines from Protagoras or from anyone else you please: but if not, take care, my dear fellow, that you do not risk your greatest treasure on a toss of the dice.

Paul's CORRUPTING the WORD meant "selling learning at retail" and the more civilized Greeks called it prostitution.

Plato called them SOPHISTS who had turned bad and began selling learning. For instance, a Timothy or a Carpenter was bound to "adopt" an apprentice and teach him the secrets of Carpentry. In civil or religious education dedicated scholars have become the worst fleecers in land: Madoff is lucky, he only got 150 years.

Awesome! Jesus said that God HIDES from the wise or sophists: self-willed and self-authoring preachers, singers or instrument players.

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Re: Will SOMEONE explain why people perform WORSHIP and hire WORSHIP LEADERS?

May 26 2017, 5:41 PM 

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