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Ken Sublett
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Psalm 4 God Commanded Instrumental Worship

October 15 2017, 11:56 AM 

God did not command the King, Kingdom, the Temple, Animal slaughter, Priests or Levites who were under the KING AND COMMANDERS OF THE ARMY. They were the CIVIL leadership and did not conduct Congregational Worship Services.

If God turned the Jews over to worship the starry host instead of the Creator of the host, why would anyone use that PATTERN and claim their kingly, priestly or Levite noise makers role. We yearn to say that they are just ignorant but Jesus as Holy Spirit called the cunning craftsmen or Sophists as speakers, singers or instrument players just LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE

A church or ekklesia-synagogue of Christ is Spirit gifted only if Vocational elders Teach that which is written or that which has been taught. Jesus marked the Pharisees as hypocrites meaning "speakers, singers or instrument players" TEACHING THEIR OWN songs and sermons so that they do not have to teach what Jesus commanded to be taught.

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Prospaizō , fut.
2. abs., sport, jest, “p. en logois” Pl.Phdr.262d, cf. Lg. 653e, 804b; opp. spoudazein, Id.Euthd.283b.
3. laugh at, make fun or sport of, tini Men.Epit.182, Plu.2.197d, Caes.63; satirize, tini D.L.4.61, 7.164:—Med., App. l.c.
II. c. acc., theous p. sing to the gods, sing in their praise or honour, Pl.Epin.980b: c. dupl. acc., humnon prosepaisamen . . ton . . Erōta sang a hymn in praise of Eros, Id.Phdr.265c. 2. banter, “tous rhētoras” Id.Mx.235c, cf. Euthd.285a; p. ton kuna, ton arkton,

Plat. Phaedrus [262d] the two discourses contain an example of the way in which one who knows the truth may lead his hearers on with sportive words; and I, Phaedrus, think the divinities of the place are the cause thereof; and perhaps too, the prophets of the Muses, who are singing above our heads, may have granted this boon to us by inspiration; at any rate, I possess no art of speaking.

Plat. Laws 653e and is always striving to move and to cry, leaping and skipping and delighting in dances and games, and uttering, also, noises of every description. Now, whereas all other creatures are devoid of any perception of the various kinds of order and disorder in movement (which we term rhythm and harmony), to men the very gods, who were given, as we said, to be our fellows in the dance, have granted the pleasurable perception of rhythm and harmony, whereby they cause us to move

Ps 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD;
and in his law doth he meditate day and night.






    
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Re: Milllersville Church of Christ: Defends Instrumental Apostasy

October 15 2017, 5:43 PM 

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Indeed!

 
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Re: Milllersville Church of Christ: Defends Instrumental Apostasy

October 15 2017, 7:37 PM 

Rancor named his children THE father and THE son and THE holy spirit: he knew that these were favorite names for people.


    
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ADDING to the meaning of Acts 4

October 16 2017, 11:22 AM 

When preaching becomes a good profession in all groups there are schools willing to take your money. In all groups people are hired to defend the views of the rarely-APT elders. When preachers moan that it takes all week to "get up a sermon" you know that they do not know that God speaking through the Prophets and Jesus and "left for our memory" with a warning not to private interpret or FURTHER EXPOUND.

Most religious institutions are too busy to spend much time being Christians or Disciples who are STUDENTS of the WORD-only. It is agonizing to see how desperately hard the DISCIPLES whom Jesus gave REST from whatever comes in their imagination. They believe that with enough money from widows and the poor and planning, plotting and bondage they can SAVE MORE SOULS. The tale of people who have "fallen and can never get back up" is recorded by Prophets from the "Lying Pen of the Scribes." [Jeremiah 7] Jesus calls them Hypocrites and points to Isaiah 29 and Ezekiel 33 to NAME performance preachers for hire, singers or instrument players.

Speakers who "speak on their own" are called sons of the Devil by Jesus and are the WISE or SOPHISTS from whom GOD HIDES.

How can anyone who has ever read Acts 7 for UNDERSTANDING claim that God commanded worship with instrumental music?

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Ken Sublett
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Re: ADDING to the meaning of Acts 4

October 16 2017, 1:18 PM 

In Revelation 17 the end-times, as in Jude, will see the rise of the Babylon Mother of Harlots: she uses "Lusted after fruits" (as in Amos 8) as ANY religious craftsmen who in Greek are given the name "PARASITE." They have devoted themselves and their talent to ADORN the Word of God which is defined as ANATHEMA. Because God does not need any ENHANCEMENT, anything attempting to ENHANCE or replace His Word (Regulative Principle) cannot be redeemed and MUST BE BURNED. Perhaps the ten thousand harps of Solomon were cast into HELL or Topheth (Tabret).

In Revelation 18 any craftsman such as players on all kinds of instruments are called SORCERERS and along with liars WILL BE CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

The AUTHORITY for lying that God commanded Instrumental Worship is 2 Corinthians 29. The Jews had been holding HOLOCAUST of Goats and Infants when the temple was deserted and polluted by the Assyrians. Hezekiah substituted GOATS instead of INFANTS but immediately after his death, the Jews returned to the HOLOCAUST. The Levites were under the King and Coommanders of the army abandoned to "Babylonianism" from which the godly Jews were quarantined to their isolated settlements to REST and hold synagogue for PREACHING the WORD by READING the Word.

THEN AND NOW EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE PURPOSE DRIVEN IGNORANT OR STRONGLY DELUDED. My last two "Investment Advisers for the Lord" believe and claim that THEY are the AUTHORITATIVE TEACHERS along with their elders so that church is ANTI School of Christ and forces everyone out of their REST to follow THEIR Way, Road or Pattern.

Eph. 2:20 And are built upon [Educated by] the foundation of the apostles and prophets,
.....Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Luke 20:17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written,
.....The stone which the builders rejected,
.....the same is become the head of the corner?

The Jewish religious leaders met at the cornerstone or the inside angle to plot. Jesus is the REAL CORNERSTONE and He did nothing in SECRET

Acts 26:26 For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their RULERS,
.....because they knew him not,
.....nor yet the VOICE OF THE PROPHETS
.....which are READ EVERY sabbath day, [Rest is PAUO in Greek outlawing religion]
.....they have fulfilled them in condemning him

The One-Piece Pattern from the Church of Christ [the Rock] was never violated by the faithful Jews nor by REFORMATION churches.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city
.....them that PREACH him,
..... being READ in the synagogues every sabbath day.
The Muses are well documented as the LOCUSTS: the chirping of the various types lulled people to sleep and then gave them the STING OF DEATH.
In the Greek literature they are the Worship Team of Apollon who was the Leader of the Muses: they are identified as PROSTITUTES (selling anything Jesus gave free of charge] and were the SHEPHERDESSES in all pagan religion. In 1 Corinthians they were the MAD WOMEN OF CORINTH.
Musae

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0062%3Aalphabetic+letter%3DM%3Aentry+group%3D15%3Aentry%3Dmusae-harpers
Mousai). In Greek mythology the Muses were originally the NYMPS [brides in Rev 18] of springs, whose waters gave inspiration, such as Hippocrené, Castalia, etc.;
.....then goddesses of song in general;
.....and afterwards the representatives of the various kinds of poetry, arts, and sciences.
In Homer, who now speaks of one, and now of many Muses, but without specifying their number or their names, they are considered goddesses dwelling in Olympus,
.....who at the meals of the gods sing sweetly to the lyre of Apollon,
.....inspire the poet and prompt his song.
Hesiod (Theog. 52-76) calls them the nine daughters of Zeus and Mnemosyné, born in Pieria, and mentions their names, to which we shall at the same time add the province and the attributes afterwards assigned to each.

http://www.piney.com/DocHesTheog.html

Jeanene Reese, the once Power of ACU, claims that EARTH was the 'mother' and therefore men should accept female preachers where Scripture provides those who preach but no PREACHER.
[20] Earth, too, and great Oceanus, and dark Night, and the holy race of all the other deathless ones that are for ever. And one day they taught Hesiod glorious song while he was shepherding his lambs under holy Helicon, and this word first the goddesses said to me—
[25] the Muses of Olympus, daughters of Zeus who holds the aegis:
.....“Shepherds of the wilderness, wretched things of shame, mere bellies,
.....we know how to speak many false things as though they were true;
.....but we know, when we will, to utter true things.”


1. Calliŏpé (she of the fair voice), in Hesiod the noblest of all, the Muse of epic song; among her attributes are a wax tablet and a pencil.

2. Clio (she that extols), the Muse of history; with a scroll.

3. Euterpé (she that gladdens), the Muse of lyric song; with the double flute.

4. Thalīa (she that flourishes), the Muse of comedy and bucolic poetry; with the comic mask, the ivy wreath, and the shepherd's staff.

5. Melpomĕné (she that sings), the Muse of tragedy; with tragic mask, ivy wreath, and occasionally with attributes of individual heroes— e. g. the club, the sword.

6. Terpsichŏré (she that rejoices in the dance), the Muse of dancing; with the lyre.

7. Erăto (the lovely one), the Muse of erotic poetry; with a smaller lyre.

8. Polymnia or Polyhymnia (she that is rich in hymns), the Muse of serious sacred songs; usually represented as veiled and pensive.

9. Urania (the heavenly), the Muse of astronomy; with the celestial globe. See the separate articles on the Muses.

Psallo is never MUSICAL MEDITATION and therefore is left in the HEART which in 1 Corinthians 14 means KEEP IT SILENT unless you are a PROPHET validated by anothe prophet.

Three older Muses were sometimes distinguished from these. Meleté (Meditation), Mnemé (Remembrance), Aoidé (Song), whose worship was said to have been introduced by the Aloadae, Otus and Ephialtes, near Mount Helicon. Thracian settlers in the Pierian district at the foot of Olympus and of Helicon in Boeotia are usually mentioned as the original founders of this worship. At both these places were their oldest sanctuaries. According to the general belief, the favourite haunts of the Muses were certain springs, near which temples and statues had been erected in their honour: Castalia, at the foot of Mount Parnassus, and Aganippé and Hippocrené, on Helicon, near the towns of Ascra and Thespiae. After the decline of Ascra, the inhabitants of Thespiae attended to the worship of the Muses and to the arrangements for the musical contests in their honour that took place once in five years. They were also adored in many other places in Greece. Thus the Athenians offered them sacrifices in the schools, while the Spartans did so before battle. As the inspiring nymphs of springs they were early connected with Dionysus; the god of poets, Apollon, is looked on as their leader (Mousagetēs), with whom they share the knowledge of past, present, and future. As beings that gladden men and gods with their song, Hesiod describes them as dwelling on Olympus along with the Charites [GRACES] and Himeros. They were represented in art as virgin goddesses with long garments of many folds, and frequently with a cloak besides; they were not distinguished by special attributes till comparatively later times. See Die Musen in der antiken Kunst (Berlin, 1887).

The Roman poets identified them with the Italian Camēnae, prophetic nymphs [brides in Rev 18) of springs and goddesses of birth, who had a grove at Rome outside the Porta Capena. (See Egeria.) The Greeks gave the title of Muses to their nine most distinguished poetesses: Praxilla, Moero , Anyté, Erinna, Telesilla, Corinna, Nossis, Myrtis, and Sappho.


The Thracian, Orpheus [silenced in Rome] was the father of IMPURE RELIGION. The ONLY PURE RELIGION IS:

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

We don't hire a huge staff to help us do that. Sabbath and Rest and Baptismos speaks of LIBERTY from religious OBSERVATION and defines with CLEAR CERTAINTY that the Assembly of Christ has a one-piece pattern: Apt elders to TEACH that which has been TAUGHT and reject those who OPPOSE that which is written.

Romans 15 silences the Self-pleasure which in Greek and Latin silences rhetoric, singing, playing, acting or ANYTHING beyond the clear COMMAND:

Using One Mind and One Mouth to SPEAK that which is written for our learning which is defined as SCRIPTURE FOR OUR COMFORT. Jesus IS our only COMFORTER and He has provided all that we need for life and godliness.






 
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Dave
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Hello

November 2 2017, 2:46 AM 

Dave
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Message Title: Hello
Date: November 1 2017, 5:02 PM

No posts in a while. Ken and Donnie ok?



 
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Re: Hello

November 2 2017, 3:08 AM 

Dave,

There's been an issue with this forum not being able to approve/publish posts. For example, the way I published your post above was for me to submit it as though it were my post ... but with your message.

I have contacted Network54 via email a number of times already. It appears that the issue has not been resolved.

 
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Dave
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Sick???

November 19 2017, 7:56 PM 


From: Dave (no login) 173.162.30.138
Message Title: Sick???
November 18 2017, 8:02 PM


Ken not posting means something has happened. Can Donnie update us?

 
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Donnie
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Re: To let others feel free to respond

November 19 2017, 8:19 PM 

Dave,

I have asked Ken to contact Network54 by phone [perhaps during the day] regarding the ongoing issue that has affected forums/[fora] including CM.

Ken has responded: "I have tried to take a rest to let others feel free to respond...."

So, let everyone enjoy that "freedom." [It's OK for those interested to keep posting. Ken and I will continue to manage this awkward and unconventional way of publishing them.]

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