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The Reason We Celebrate Christmas on December 25th

December 25 2017 at 12:33 AM
Meghan Overdeep (S.L.)  (Login Donnie.Cruz)
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"The Reason We Celebrate Christmas on December 25th"

The Reason We Celebrate Christmas on December 25th

Southern Living
Meghan Overdeep
12/1/2017

On December 25th, nine in 10 Americans will celebrate Christmas, but few understand why. Everyone knows the trappings associated with the holiday — Christmas trees, red and green ornaments, presents, etc. — but its origins are less familiar.

Although Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25th, his exact birthdate is unknown. In the first 300 or so years of Christianity, the celebration of the leader’s birth was usually lumped in with Epiphany (January 6), if it was even observed at all. According to Christianity Today, it was around the year 273 that the church considered commandeering the existing pagan festival of winter solstice as fitting time to honor the son of God. It helped that December 25th already hosted two debaucherous holidays: natalis solis invicti (the Roman "birth of the unconquered sun"), and the birthday of Mithras, the Iranian "Sun of Righteousness.” It was considered a way to teach the masses a lesson or two about sin and redemption.

Christmas wasn’t widely observed until after Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity and declared it the Roman empire's favored religion. Western Christians officially began celebrating December 25 as the birth of Jesus in 336 AD.

So there you have it!

 
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Donnie Cruz
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Re: The Reason We Celebrate Christmas on December 25th

December 25 2017, 12:48 AM 

There he is: Emperor Constantine ... again. (Remember "the Trinity" and the Council of Nicea in the 4th century!)

Hosting two "debaucherous" pagan holidays on December 25th, plus one more:

----- (1) The Roman "birth of the unconquered sun" [natalis solis invicti];
----- (2) The birthday of Mithras, the Iranian "Sun of Righteousness”;
----- (3) Celebrating December 25 as the birth of Jesus began in 336 AD.

The Roman Catholic Church wins again. Well, as well as its Protestant followers. Well, as well as some progressive churches of Christ who "celebrate" the "birthday" of Jesus in December in their assemblies!!!

Anyway, Season's Greetings, everyone!!!

Donnie

 
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Re: The Reason We Celebrate Christmas on December 25th

December 25 2017, 6:49 PM 

Merry Christmas
December 25 2017, 2:45 PM

Since most Christians celebrate Christmas as a TIME (not just December 25th, but usually the whole month leading up to the 25th) to celebrate the birth of Christ, the world doesn't even know about the other pagan traditions. If YOU consider celebrating the birth of Christ in December as being pagan, then so be it. It is a free country, so far.

Merry Christmas and keep Christ in Christmas.

Aren't the liberals always the ones who want to take Christ out of Christmas by saying 'season greetings?'

So the Catholic church is involved again in history, eh? Win again? The only one who wins is Christ, as it should be.

 
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Re: Merry Christmas

December 25 2017, 8:22 PM 

Dave,

You should know by now that the Roman Catholic Church is not the original church established by Christ. And that it is an ever-evolving church that has apostatized from the church mentioned and described in the New Testament. But, of course, it is your choice to follow the Mother Church headquartered in Rome.

Oh, the world doesn't even know about the other pagan traditions. You are correct. But in your case, did/do you know or did/do you not know about Christmas with its pagan origin?

No, it is the liberals who'd rather do as the Mother Church sez. Since the RCC is comprised of "most Christians" [by what appears to be based on your definition], it must be right even though it is more human tradition-based than Scripture-based???

 
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Re: Merry Christmas

December 26 2017, 12:47 PM 

Posted by: Dave
Message Title: Re: Merry Christmas
December 26 2017, 10:21 AM

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Donnie said "Since the RCC is comprised of "most Christians" [by what appears to be based on your definition],..."

No, Donnie that is not based on my definition. You ASSumed that. You are very good at assuming. There are many many Christians who are NOT Catholics that celebrate the birth of Christ in December. And it has nothing to do with human-based traditions. Why not take a few months out of the year and celebrate His birth with the world? Christians celebrate the birth of Christ everyday. However, no other birthday is celebrated publicly as big and full as that of Christ. As Christ is Saviour of the world, this is how it should be. It goes on for months. So I will keep Christ in Christmas and you keep saying seasons greetings. The liberals don't believe in God, much less Christ. Donnie, you are siding with the liberals.

 
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Re: Merry Christmas

December 26 2017, 1:50 PM 

Dave,

I did a quick Google search: "There are an estimated 1.2 billion Roman Catholics in the world, according to Vatican figures. ... Latin America accounts for 483 million Catholics, or 41.3% of the total Catholic population. ... There are more than 900 million Protestants worldwide, among approximately 2.4 billion Christians."

Yes, there are that many of the RCC's Protestant followers and certain Progressive/Liberal Churches of Christ that have succumbed to the human-based, pagan tradition of celebrating Christmas in their ASSEMBLIES.

Here are the options: Dave will keep Christ in Christmas throughout the year. [Dave, did you sing: "Happy birthday to you ... happy birthday, Jesus"?] Donnie will keep Christ and His sacrifice and suffering and death on the cross ... and the "Season's Greetings."

 
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Re: Merry Christmas

December 26 2017, 3:40 PM 

If you speak about the birth of Christ during Christmas and sing about the birth of Christ in December, is that what you claim to be "celebrating Christmas in their ASSEMBLIES?"

No Christmas cantatas.

 
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Re: Merry Christmas

January 1 2018, 10:09 PM 

bumped

 
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Dave
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Question

December 26 2017, 3:49 PM 

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Posted by: Dave
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Message Title: Question
December 26 2017, 3:36 PM
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If you speak about the birth of Christ during Christmas and sing about the birth of Christ in December, is that what you claim to be "celebrating Christmas in their ASSEMBLIES?"

No Christmas cantatas.

 
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Re: Question

December 26 2017, 4:17 PM 

Dave,

By "celebrating Christmas in their ASSEMBLIES" ... I meant "Progressive" Churches of Christ who imitate their Roman Catholic, Protestant and denominational "neighbors" with performance-driven "Christmas programs and 'worship' services" in the assembly.

Now ... that is really promoting the pagan-based, emperor Constantine-approved celebration of the birth of Christ in December. And you're buying it, obviously. happy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gif

 
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???

December 26 2017, 7:42 PM 

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Posted by: Dave
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Message Title: ???
December 26 2017, 5:45 PM
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Name one church that does as you claim?

 
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Re: ???

December 26 2017, 9:13 PM 

Since it is impossible to visit all of the Progressive Churches of Christ, one way to find out is to check out the websites of these churches whose "pastors" [oH, excuse me: "senior" ministers] support the liberal views regarding church "doctrines." These websites may not reveal much of what actually occurs during their "Christmas Worship Services," but it's a start and they can give you an idea of their practices related to "the birth of Jesus in December." [Pagan dating of the birth of Christ.]

You may visit the websites of the now-Community Churches that prominent change agents have transformed into:

Max Lucado and the former Oak Hills Church of Christ (now the Oak Hills Church).

Rick Atchley and the former Richland Hills Church of Christ (now The Hills Church) -- you may view this one: https://vimeo.com/246828506 ("CHRISTMAS REFRAMED").

Al Maxey's Church.

And others.


 
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LOOOOOK

December 26 2017, 11:37 PM 

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Posted by: Dave
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Message Title: LOOOOOK
December 26 2017, 11:24 PM
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"Since it is impossible to visit all of the Progressive Churches of Christ,..."

:}

One can always assume. Look Donnie. LOOK HARD DONNIE. Strain that gnat. You can do it.

Websites Donnie.....HINT HINT.


 
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Re: LOOOOOK

December 26 2017, 11:55 PM 

Dave,

It is not an assumption. Did you link to: https://vimeo.com/246828506 Christmas programming at Rick Atchley's former RHCC?

You wouldn't see it -- I don't really expect you to see it. Why can one of the "birds of a feather" like you not see it? I don't blame you for not seeing it. Other progressives can't see it, either.

 
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YES!!!

December 27 2017, 1:40 AM 

Post by: Dave
Message Title: YES!!!
December 27 2017, 1:06 AM
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happy.gif Well Done Donnie.

 
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Re: YES!!!

December 27 2017, 1:47 AM 

Thanks, Dave.

You made it easy for me to get you to admit that you are a progressive/liberal -- not a conservative -- in doctrinal matters. happy.gif



 
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David
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Just the Facts Ma'am

December 27 2017, 4:12 PM 

Donnie, since I didn't admit it, as you say I did, would you consider that a lie?

I'm just saying...


    
This message has been edited by Ken.Sublett from IP address 24.151.202.16 on Dec 27, 2017 4:12 PM


 
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WAKE UP KEN!!

December 27 2017, 6:45 PM 


December 27 2017, 6:30 PM

Ken, when you edit something to what YOU WANT it to say, unless it is your own saying, that is slander. Old doesn't give you the right to be stupid.

 
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Thanks for the inslut.

December 27 2017, 6:49 PM 

As the only way to post your valuable stuff, I have to copy it and paste it and then RESPOND. That is to let you chatter before Donnie has the time to do a strange "submit." I don't edit it.

Since I feel very old today, I will save my energy and let you wait and let the world just suffer.


 
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Re: WAKE UP KEN!!

December 27 2017, 10:05 PM 

Dave, just a brief note on editing:

There's been an issue in the last few months with the APPROVE THIS MESSAGE button that only moderators can see and click. This issue has not been resolved as yet, and moderators have no way at this time of approving messages by clicking the APPROVE button.

Our workaround is to create a separate message form into which we copy-and-paste the poster's original message text into this form and submit it for posting. This is a lengthy and cumbersome process that involves a lot of attention and care. (In my case, I use a notepad to copy and paste all the information from the original post -- just in case the process fails.)

My observation is that Ken did no editing of your message. It appears that your text messages have been intact and unedited. One way to prove otherwise is to be able to compare it with your saved text data. "This has been edited by...." can be triggered by an intentional editing of text or by an inadvertent pressing of the space bar. So, bear with us for now.

 
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