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PPC 2010 rules changes

January 12 2010 at 1:53 PM
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Anyone notice that the new rules for PPC Distinguished Pistol PERMIT 6" barrels and PROHIBIT adjustable sights? Can this be right? Have contacted NRA, but no response so far. ken

 
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January 12 2010, 3:20 PM 

Marc Lipp just contacted me and said the "no adjustable sights" on Dist. Pistols was in error - they are allowed. The info on-line will be removed. AND, barrels may now go to 6" for Dist. Pistols. ken

 
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January 19 2010, 1:49 AM 

6" for Distinguished Pistol, are you sure about that? Where can I find these new 2010 rules?

 
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January 21 2010, 5:31 PM 

Re: 6" Dist. PISTOL, yes I am sure. Marc Lipp sent me an E-mail directly, and the correct 2010 rules changes. I went to the NRA website and the PPC rule book DOES NOT reflect the 2010 changes. IF you cannot find these changes - send me your email and I will send you Marc's entire email with the changes attached. ken

 
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January 21 2010, 5:36 PM 

2010 PPC rules changes www.NRAhq.org/compete/rulechanges.asp

 
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January 21 2010, 11:13 PM 

Thanks, I see they just posted them today.

 
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January 24 2010, 7:08 AM 

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Huh?

 
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January 24 2010, 11:18 AM 

RELAX - you have scared everyone!! Just kidding! Don't know where you got this info (could have been part of the FUBAR rule changes posted a couple of weeks ago), but go to the website above - both the rules and matrix (which is great and real handy) reflect 8.5" for sight radius on open class revolvers. Don't ya just wonder if some of this stuff is done sometimes to see if anyone is really reading the rules??????? ken

 
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January 24 2010, 12:21 PM 

Collected today from your link to the NRA above.

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Ready for the rule changes...

 
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Rule changes

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January 28 2010, 9:33 PM 

Ken,
Would you please forward me a copy of those changes, thanks

 
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WHY ??????

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January 25 2010, 8:08 PM 

Who thinks up these rules and in regards to the new MATRIX !!!! ohhhhh were so up to date. Did competitors have trouble reading the old rulebook.Did someone actually have front sight protectors(wings) that extended 2" or more, if so good luck in that wind at Albuquerque. And now that distinguished S/A can have a 6" barrel who does that help, Oh I get it a new shooter can only buy
1 gun and shoot both Dist S/A and open without a disadvantage over people with a 6". Gee, ok what about those shooters who own 5" guns and are now not only at a slight disadvantage in the open but a real disadvantage in the Dist S/A . or shooters who own both but now are at a disadvantage in the distinguished match and to compete at a top level, need or feel that they need a 6" that qualifies ,because their open gun does not. Maybe Im missing something. You get a new shooter ,tell them buy a Dist S/A you can shoot both with and then later ,if you can afford it or feel you need it get a 6" S/A. Dont even get me started on ammo ,for years its been one way and now thats all the same EXCEPT for 5.7X 28. WHAT is that about, except money of sponsorship.Why not 22 mag or 17 hmr whats the difference. If the NRA would like to change something how about the AWARDS schedule, LIKE printing up what it is going to be BEFORE the NPSC, and not doing the bait and switch like the last couple of years,OH you already entered, we forgot to tell you there is someing different in you packet!!! I like PPC, been shooting it 30 years, but come on,5.7 X 28 . If there were real reasons for change I would understand, loss of competitor interest, you bet, todays young police officers just dont care that much about shooting.Or if they do, they take, (and I would probably join them today) the easier route and shoot some form of action ,no 50 yards range needed, no 6-7 guns,ammo is cheaper, etc.Thats just the way it is, but constantly changing minor parts of the rules until everyone is confused isnt going to help get them here.It only drives other competitors away, look at the NPSC and see the faces that are missing, its not only because of the location.I know this is long and I wrote the same to the NRA 2 years ago but,this last deal left me shaking my head and I was wondering if anyone elso felt the same, thanks Bob

 
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WHY ??????

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January 25 2010, 8:09 PM 

Who thinks up these rules and in regards to the new MATRIX !!!! ohhhhh were so up to date. Did competitors have trouble reading the old rulebook.Did someone actually have front sight protectors(wings) that extended 2" or more, if so good luck in that wind at Albuquerque. And now that distinguished S/A can have a 6" barrel who does that help, Oh I get it a new shooter can only buy
1 gun and shoot both Dist S/A and open without a disadvantage over people with a 6". Gee, ok what about those shooters who own 5" guns and are now not only at a slight disadvantage in the open but a real disadvantage in the Dist S/A . or shooters who own both but now are at a disadvantage in the distinguished match and to compete at a top level, need or feel that they need a 6" that qualifies ,because their open gun does not. Maybe Im missing something. You get a new shooter ,tell them buy a Dist S/A you can shoot both with and then later ,if you can afford it or feel you need it get a 6" S/A. Dont even get me started on ammo ,for years its been one way and now thats all the same EXCEPT for 5.7X 28. WHAT is that about, except money of sponsorship.Why not 22 mag or 17 hmr whats the difference. If the NRA would like to change something how about the AWARDS schedule, LIKE printing up what it is going to be BEFORE the NPSC, and not doing the bait and switch like the last couple of years,OH you already entered, we forgot to tell you there is someing different in you packet!!! I like PPC, been shooting it 30 years, but come on,5.7 X 28 . If there were real reasons for change I would understand, loss of competitor interest, you bet, todays young police officers just dont care that much about shooting.Or if they do, they take, (and I would probably join them today) the easier route and shoot some form of action ,no 50 yards range needed, no 6-7 guns,ammo is cheaper, etc.Thats just the way it is, but constantly changing minor parts of the rules until everyone is confused isnt going to help get them here.It only drives other competitors away, look at the NPSC and see the faces that are missing, its not only because of the location.I know this is long and I wrote the same to the NRA 2 years ago but,this last deal left me shaking my head and I was wondering if anyone elso felt the same, thanks Bob

 
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January 29 2010, 12:14 AM 

BOB,Your exactly right on!Been shooting since 77 and just have to wonder who the Hell is on the rules committee.This will not bring in new shooters just piss off the ones currently shooting!

 
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January 30 2010, 10:41 PM 

I read your post and it is like a copy of something I posted several years ago, and it keeps getting worse. I was at the first Nationals in Bloomington Indiana and shot all the way up until they moved it from Jackson. It just keeps getting worse and we keep loosing people and like you said getting new shooters like finding frogs with hair. You hit the nail right on the head, and I really hate to see this happening like you and a lot others.
At least at Jackson we were getting some semblance of attendance. Is the N.R.A. getting like our government?

 
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Call me names...

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February 3 2010, 4:53 PM 

I am not new to competition having shot at the Camp Perry National as a Junior and at the Int. Championships as well.. This was in rifle. Back then it was pricy to get the rifle and all the needed gear.
Now as I return to the range I find that its still pricey. I have a 6 inch custom pistol with split sights (no rib) and a 5 inch Springfield. Last year I was unable to shoot just two pistols and had to pack a pistol for the Open, Dist, and Duty matches. This year it looks like I only need two. This means more money left over for ammo and maybe even some travel money...
That sounds good to me as a relitively new/returning shooter.

Now for the debate on the 6 in. vs. the 5 in... I shot Bullseye for some time and actually found the 6 in to be a liability due to the added lock time and required followthrough. Just look across the line at the Bullseye Nationals and you will not find many 6 inch pistols. Consider that the Precision phase is shot at 50 yards and has a smaller X ring then the B27. If I was not able to build my own (6 inch) pistol I would have been perfectly happy to shoot my 5" SA with adj sights for all three matches..

In my warped vision I see the NRA making it easier on the wallet on the new shooters who wont have to have three specialty pistols to compete. I see the custom houses losing out on some business but not much.

In the grand scheme of things I feel blessed that I am healthy enough to pick up the pistol and shoot to begin with. I remember matches as a great place to meet old and make new friends, to share good times with and pop some caps.

I am looking forward to attending next fall and hope to see all of you there!
Now excuse the ramblings of returing shooter...
Is the LINE READY?!

 
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February 5 2010, 12:56 AM 

Jim
Good to have you back! I am curious though If you had all the guns needed to shoot last year how can it cost less this year with these rules? If you sold your 5" fixed sight stock auto to use the money this year then it makes since. I believe all the shooters who bought a 6" 1500 AUTO 5"distinguished auto and a 5" fixed sight stock auto aren't going to think this rule change is so good. JP

 
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gear and stuff

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February 5 2010, 11:19 AM 

Last year I had My Kimber Custom Classic with adj sights for the 1500 and dist. I fired my fixed sight XD Tactical in the duty match. Both were 45acp

The only work at that time on these pistols was a NM bushing and Kart barrel in the Kimber. The XD received some much needed TLC, from springfield, on the trigger only moments before reporting to the line.

The Kimber failed me in the 1500, primarily due to my reloads, in the Dist the FMJ were flawless.
The XD was never intended for this but it was fun.
After seeing all the 9mm brass on the ground I figured that that must be the way to go..

I had an old Caspian frame at home that was used for a Marvel .22 conversion that I had already decided to convert to a 6 in open pistol. All the parts had been ordered to complete the top end... so it only seemed natural to do just that. (I always wanted one to play with)

So I was able to discard the 45 stuff and consentrate on 9mm set up.

I bought a Used SA 9mm Target and did some tuning on it and completed the 6in pistol.
Due to the rule changes I just needed 2 pistols though I could have gotten by with one. And since I did all the work myself it all cost me less than buying one CUSTOM pistol from one of the top shops.

 
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NEW Rules

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February 9 2010, 6:39 PM 

I downloaded the new PPC gun rules this week, and have taken a look at them. The barrel length limit on Distinguished guns has been increased, how ever the allowable sight radius has not been increased. I measured my S&W 5" barreled PPC gun, and it has a sight radius of 7". I do not have a 6" gun to measure, but I will bet it is longer than 7.5", so it would not be legal for Distinguished matches. I wonder if the "old" style Distinguished guns now fit the rules for the Stock Auto guns? They have factory original sights from Aristocrat, and you can now have a competition magazine well on a Stock Semi Auto.

 
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February 11 2010, 1:36 PM 

This is starting to sound like our wonderful new health insurance regulations - FUBAR. First, don't look for what PPCFW is saying in the rule book, because NRA has not updated the rule book - yet?? You have to go to the 2010 changes. AND he is correct. I measured my 6" with an Aristocrat slide rib and the sight radius is 8 1/8". A 6" with only a 7.5" sight radius is going to look darn funny with a front sight sticking up in the middle of the slide?? Guess I will contact Marc again (!) and ask about this. Will post his response. Suggest if others are concerned, that he be contacted by you also. ken

 
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February 11 2010, 1:59 PM 

Anyone notice that the new 2010 rules for Off Duty Semi-Auto Pistol (rule 3.9) require that the firearm be "capable of firing .380 caliber ammunition or larger" - guess we cannot fire our 9mm's any longer ???????????????? We are truly becoming like Alice in Wonderland................. whew, ken

 
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